War Never Changes: Let's Tri This Again

[DX3214]

I mean there are also other events like Mr house wins, the new California republic wins or the courier/player with Yesman, takes over the Mojave as its personal kingdom or republic or whatever. So there is many ways you can play the aftermath of new vegas, there is a lot of timelines to pick not counting the events of fallout 3, 4 far harbor, and others. just a few choices can give power or lose power to some factions.

[Andronicus23]

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I have to disagree. it's repeatedly pointed out in New vegas that the Legion is likely bound to fail, and with Sallow bound to die eventually, I don't see it not imploding, whether violently due to his death or more slowly due to simply not being a very sustainable society

@Jeddaven

Right but this is hardly fair to an RP'er though, and I don't really expect us to follow lore 100% regardless.

New Vegas assumes the Legion will fail because its assumed Caesar is the only one capable of holding the Legion together. That may not be true with this RP depending on the characters someone brings in to replace Caesar.

[Yam I Am]

I mean there are also other events like Mr house wins, the new California republic wins or the courier/player with Yesman, takes over the Mojave as its personal kingdom or republic or whatever. So there is many ways you can play the aftermath of new vegas, there is a lot of timelines to pick not counting the events of fallout 3, 4 far harbor, and others. just a few choices can give power or lose power to some factions.

@DX3214

Yeah, it's just a matter of getting people to agree on which is canon. I think it'll be more clear once people get their concepts in.

Right but this is hardly fair to an RP'er though, and I don't really expect us to follow lore 100% regardless.

New Vegas assumes the Legion will fail because its assumed Caesar is the only one capable of holding the Legion together. That may not be true with this RP depending on the characters someone brings in to replace Caesar.

@Andronicus23

I think it's a good ancedote to go off of, but for my personal interpretation of the Legion, it'd be more of finding a capable leader who can "gracefully take a fall". Maintaining the Legion after a monumental defeat that was the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam might send it down a death spiral from which it may never recover, but that doesn't mean that there aren't things they can do to keep their house afloat. I think playing around with that sort of idea might make for an interesting Legion to write about.

[DX3214]

i will vote east coast why well because if you want you can make a OC quite like the caesar's legion in there if you want just dont try to copy and paste obviusly.

[Andreyich]

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Yeah, it's just a matter of getting people to agree on which is canon. I think it'll be more clear once people get their concepts in.

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I think it's a good ancedote to go off of, but for my personal interpretation of the Legion, it'd be more of finding a capable leader who can "gracefully take a fall". Maintaining the Legion after a monumental defeat that was the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam might send it down a death spiral from which it may never recover, but that doesn't mean that there aren't things they can do to keep their house afloat. I think playing around with that sort of idea might make for an interesting Legion to write about.

@Yam I Am

Even if the legion does collapse eventually, it was made clear this wouldn't be instant, it would be a process potentially taking decades

[Yam I Am]

Oh, and Andy proposed we close voting tomorrow and get an OOC up on Sunday.

So far, it looks like we have a slight majority in favor of the East Coast.

Any objections?

@DX3214 @Andronicus23 @Jeddaven @Wampower @Andreyich @Noblebandit @TheEvanCat @Crusader Lord @Mao Mao @FalloutJack @HEAVY METAL @Auz

[Noblebandit]

If the Legion was defeated, that could give a good story opportunity for the Legion to re-examine itself and for the various figures within the legion to decide what went wrong and where to go next, whether that's to gradually reform into a proper Empire or to seek independence from the Legion altogether.

You could even have a couple of players who have their own little sections of the Legion that are loyal to them who start off committed to the idea of the Legion and are technically unified as one faction, but as the story progresses they drift apart as their differing ideals force them into conflict.

Oh, and Andy proposed we close voting tomorrow and get an OOC up on Sunday.

So far, it looks like we have a slight majority in favor of the East Coast.

Any objections?

@Yam I Am

No objections from me.

[Wampower]

I'm not sure what I want to play yet, though I voted East Coast. Do you want me to come up with a concept before voting finishes as was mentioned previously?

@Yam I Am

[Yam I Am]

I'm not sure what I want to play yet, though I voted East Coast. Do you want me to come up with a concept before voting finishes as was mentioned previously?

@Yam I Am

@Wampower

I mean, it's fine if you don't have one yet. I was just asking in case anyone did, since it might make the decision easier for people.

[DX3214]

no objections i interested on what cannon people will want thou some of then have funny consequences and wide reaching ones.

[Mao Mao]

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Oh, don't worry. Totally canon. I get the vibes that Preston hates the player character and is trying to get him to fuck off and go away every time in FO4.

@TheEvanCat

I plan on making Preston hate on the Sole Survivor by making him not activate the emergency relay in the Institute. Also, no objections on my end.

[Wampower]

Alright, I keep my vote for East Coast. I am not sure what I will do for it yet. If we were to do West Coast, I'll say that I likely would create a new faction in the Pacific Northwest or north of Nevada.

[Mao Mao]

Also, I didn't have time to properly read the other page. I will be open to modifying the ending since I have problems of my own with it.

EDIT: @Andronicus23

You could have some of the Institute leave as a measure by the Father after banishing the Sole Survivor as a precaution.

[Jeddaven]

As for my ideas:

East Coast: The Artificial Intelligence that calls itself Jiù Xīng (assuming I translator this correctly), or "Liberator" in English, is positioned a mere twenty miles south of New York, diametrically opposed to its northern neighbor in pose purpose and intent. Whereas the Economist was designed to make use of and predict the trends of American hypercapitalism, Jiù Xīng was designed to end it from the inside, similar to the smaller Liberator robots of Appalachia, though even more subtly so.

Programmed by Chinese software engineers, Liberator was planted at the very heart of American signals intelligence, a massive supercomputing ZAX complex in Forth Monmouth, NJ, one of the few places in the country that could both accommodate it and supply the communications equipment needed to serve its greater purpose:

To turn the vast number of robots in the United States against the government, hopefully rendering revolution inevitable. Chinese spies across the country - but particularly in New England and the Rust Belt - slipped tiny, highly miniaturized radio receivers and transmitters into the production schematics of both automated and mostly manual robot production facilities across the country, allowing Liberator to communicate with thousands of military and civilian robots by simply adding piggybacked signals to the massive amounts of data pumped out of Fort Monmouth every day; running effectively silent, Liberator was able to avoid detection for years, waiting for the inevitable signal to activate its hidden army at a moment.

That signal never came, of course - a number of the base's personnel that fled the destruction above were willing to join the Liberator for the simple sake of survival as it activated what comms equipment remained at the base, summoning all the robots it could take command of to its side. Once the immediate dust settled, Liberator immediately set to work seeking out internment and PoW camps, freeing large numbers of Chinese prisoners, some of which had been lucky enough to escape ghoulification, death, or torture at the hands of the US government. Over the next handful of centuries, it went to work building a Communist society around Fort Monmouth and the surrounding Ocean County, eventually extending its control further in an attempt to claim what nearby manufacturing capacity it could in order to maintain its army.

Canadian nationalists based of of Diefenbunkers/the Toronto Urban Agglomeration are also an option I'm seriously considering; the best way I can describe them would be as a Canadian mirror of the NCR, but with fewer territorial ambitions.

West Coast: Still working on this, but the basic gist is a resurgent 'Goddess of War' take on Diana, wreaking vengeance on the Legion and trying to restore her tribe in the process. Possibly distinctly matriarchal in reaction to the Legion, minus the, uh... Slavery and shit. Immediate worries are finally securing their future in the turmoil, 'deconverting' her former tribespeople, and probably hunting down whatever's left of the Legion leadership.

[FalloutJack]

@Yam I Am None.

[Andronicus23]

Also, I didn't have time to properly read the other page. I will be open to modifying the ending since I have problems of my own with it.

EDIT: @Andronicus23

You could have some of the Institute leave as a measure by the Father after banishing the Sole Survivor as a precaution.

@Mao Mao

I'd be fine with that. Just as long as I have a decently sized starting group. My tentative plan is to make those survivors the foundation of an entirely new, separate faction.

Don't want to get to far into theory crafting before we nail down a coast though.

[Crusader Lord]

Just to present my concept, the general-ish and tentative one I'd like to try to gun for at least (depending on what is decided for how Fallout 3 ended up here), for the Capital Wasteland before work this evening at least:

My concept, at least, is that the Lyons' Pride basically kept their gained control over the Capital Wasteland, having split from the main Brotherhood of Steel by the time (and especially after) Maxon took control and initially reduced their numbers a good bit through recruitment and some in-fightning. By this time the Brotherhood Outcasts have either been killed or basically kicked out after rejoining the main Brotherhood body. The Purifier was activated and has been kept secured by a group of Lyons Brotherhood soldiers, as well as being staffed and maintained with the next generation of scientists from Rivet City after Madison Li left. The Enclave has been long ejected from the Capital Wasteland, their Crawler destroyed, and their equipment and gear left behind looted by the Lyons' Pride and kept under lock and key to avoid Maxon getting them as a matter of their existing grudge against the main body of the Brotherhood.

In the wake of splitting with the main body of the Brotherhood, the Lyons' Pride has become basically a pro-settler order keeper in the Capital Wasteland as they've regenerated their ranks and taken a different direction than the main Brotherhood. They've made it safer, reduced some threats, and basically gotten the area organized overall. Rivet City is thriving and has expanded a bit onto land since the time of the Lone Wanderer. Megaton is intact, but the Lyons' Pride took the bomb from there due to Rivet City needing more nuclear material for their reactor...which caused an internal war with the somewhat more radicalized Children of Atom, who would not agree with that action, that saw them driven out of the Capital Wasteland eventually. Frankly Liberty Prime is not present due to the events of Fallout 4. The ghouls threatening Tenpenny Hotel were wiped out by the Lone Wanderer, but Tenpenny did get forced to capitulate to Lyons' Pride authority after a conflict between their mercs and the encroaching authority of the Lyons' Pride. Three Dog is still running the station. Sarah Lyons leads the Lyons' Pride, and is very much pissed at Maxon and the rest of the mainstream Brotherhood.

Fawkes remains alive and has been taken into the ranks of the Lyons Pride due to the intervention of the Lone Wanderer, who could be alive, dead, or disappeared by this point, and proves to be an intelligent and helpful aide to the group within the Capital Wasteland. Raven Rock was naturally destroyed. Vault 87 has been for the most part successfully contained, though Little Lamplight's residents had to be evacuated and that settlement was lost (but the cave walled up in turn). The Duchess Gambit Steamboat continues to run, operated by Nadine who is keeping up a trade route with the non-hostile tribals and such there, and no contact with The Pitt is present at all.

(I'll also switch my vote to East Coast to try to help get things decided, since it seems to be the majority anyways now.)

[Auz]

My plan for the Legion was to have it in the (slow) process of breaking apart/destablising, thereby limiting the ability to just crush smaller nations.

Also was thinking about having Ulysses come back to run a faction within the faction, vying for power against Lanius (based off the assumption that it was either a House or Courier/Yesman ending in F:NV). That way he could look to stabilise the faction and save whatever they could of the crumbling empire.

If we go East Coast, I'm not sure what I'll do. My problem with that region is that it's pretty plain lore wise, maybe at least in my opinion.

Perhaps I'll go a faction that controls the Pitt, Ashur would be neato.

Edit: Totes cool with the timing of the OOC and such.

[Andreyich]

My plan for the Legion was to have it in the (slow) process of breaking apart/destablising, thereby limiting the ability to just crush smaller nations.

Also was thinking about having Ulysses come back to run a faction within the faction, vying for power against Lanius (based off the assumption that it was either a House or Courier/Yesman ending in F:NV). That way he could look to stabilise the faction and save whatever they could of the crumbling empire.

If we go East Coast, I'm not sure what I'll do. My problem with that region is that it's pretty plain lore wise, maybe at least in my opinion.

Perhaps I'll go a faction that controls the Pitt, Ashur would be neato.

Edit: Totes cool with the timing of the OOC and such.

@Auz

As with the previous two iterations of WNC the aim is to give players the freedom to create their own factions based on the lore. Though I prefer the West coast, the East coast is only plain in lore if you as a writer let it be

[Auz]

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As with the previous two iterations of WNC the aim is to give players the freedom to create their own factions based on the lore. Though I prefer the West coast, the East coast is only plain in lore if you as a writer let it be

@Andreyich

Yeah of course, I more meant major event wise since the bombs dropped. Think it was just the writing of Fallout 3 that made it seem like there was just piles of rocks when the Brotherhood wandered out there.

That said, I'm cool with the East Coast and I'm sure everyone will come up with solid ideas.