[OOC] Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

[Vilageidiotx]

Here's what I got from wikipedia: <Snipped quote> There are currently 100 Armenians there thinking they are living in the fatherland. EDIT: In other news, another night goes by with me staring at a text box without being able to muster up a post. Wooo.

@Pepperm1nts

We need to start a kickstarter to buy you a bunch of self-help books on tape to listen to while trying to post. Maybe those'll work.

[Chapatrap]

<Snipped quote by Pepperm1nts> We need to start a kickstarter to buy you a bunch of self-help books on tape to listen to while trying to post. Maybe those'll work.

@Vilageidiotx

"Step one: Sit down at your computer. Step two: Place your hands on the keyboard. Step three: Write, fgt, people are waiting."

We're all expecting something massive and explosive from Hugs return post and all we'll get is a post about Freddy combing his beard and deciding whether he should have Coco Pops or Cornflakes for breakfast.

[Vilageidiotx]

<Snipped quote by Vilageidiotx> <Snipped quote> We're all expecting something massive and explosive from Hugs return post and all we'll get is a post about Freddy combing his beard and deciding whether he should have Coco Pops or Cornflakes for breakfast.

@Chapatrap

What he should do is just make a post where Freddy has a fever and his dreams are all just snippets of uncompleted posts that Hugs started but never finished.

[Jeddaven]

<Snipped quote by Chapatrap> What he should do is just make a post where Freddy has a fever and his dreams are all just snippets of uncompleted posts that Hugs started but never finished.

@Vilageidiotx

I think we could probably sue him for causing psychological trauma. On that note, though -- Are the Prussian, Turkish, and Serbian flags the same as their real-world counterparts?

[Vilageidiotx]

<Snipped quote by Vilageidiotx> I think we could probably sue him for causing psychological trauma. On that note, though -- Are the Prussian, Turkish, and Serbian flags the same as their real-world counterparts?

@Jeddaven

Germany is using the Prussian flag. Since the flag of the Ottoman Empire and the flag of modern day Turkey is basically the same, I would say yeh. I don't know about Serbia though... Remember though that the Ottoman Empire is newly collapsed. With Greece occupying the Ionian coast, Istanbul independent, and most of the ethnicities of the old Empire governing themselves now, Turkey is reduced to central Anatolia. It has only been a couple of months since this collapse happened, so the region would be best classified as chaotic. Armenia and Greece would be the only stabilizing forces in the region.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Also independent Istanbul.

[Pepperm1nts]

Also independent Istanbul.

@Dinh AaronMk

lern2reed

[Wilted Rose]

Now to watch the Turkish War of Independence event chain happen and see the Greeks and Armenians get their ass kicked out of Anatolia EDIT - This was sarcasm. Secondly, is the remains of the Ottoman Empire still called the... Ottoman Empire, or is it just 'Turkey' now?

[Pepperm1nts]

Now to watch the Turkish War of Independence event chain happen and see the Greeks and Armenians get their ass kicked out of Anatolia

@Wilted Rose

That would honestly be a realistic scenario, but this is PoW.

[Hella Cute]

Uh, hey guys, I might've bitten off a bit more than I could chew. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to keep up with multiple characters and drive a decent plot. So, I'm going to have to drop out, really sorry guys.

[Vilageidiotx]

<Snipped quote by Wilted Rose> That would honestly be a realistic scenario, but this is PoW.

@Pepperm1nts

Eh, it's hard to tell actually. I don't know if Ataturk's success was a given, or if it was something that required an Ataturk. If the remaining Turkish power structure is full of incompetents... Remember that Rome was sacked by hungry tribesman.

Uh, hey guys, I might've bitten off a bit more than I could chew. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to keep up with multiple characters and drive a decent plot. So, I'm going to have to drop out, really sorry guys.

@Hella Cute

Don't let is scare you. You can just do one character if you prefer.

[Jeddaven]

Just to make sure I haven't missed anything, does Poland have any notable enemies aside from (what remains of) Turkey, Prussia, and Serbia?

[Pepperm1nts]

@vilageidiotx I guess we'll disagree there, then. @Jeddaven Turkey is probably not an enemy. Relations are sour, probably, but I think 'enemy' goes too far. Especially if you go with Vilage's suggestions to have an Arms Industry that deals in shady shit. The arming of Armenian rebels could have been done by the Arms Industry without authorization by the government. Or it could have been the government, but the blame could fall on the Arms Industry. And Prussia wouldn't be an enemy as much as it is a concern. Like, there is no on-going conflict happening between them, just, like.. they are wary of each other, I guess. Serbia is not their enemy either, I don't think. Aside from that, your biggest enemy would probably come from within. There are probably Czech and Ukranian nationalists that aren't pleased to suddenly be Polish. You could look into Austria-Hungary and the problems they faced to see more or less what you'd be dealing with. But in short, a lot of people trying to gain more rights for their minority group, trying to secede, protesting, rioting, maybe even small-scale rebellions and assassination attempts, ect. It depends on how big it is allowed to grow and how long the problem is allowed to exist, but Austria-Hungary had to deal with all of that at different points. And then the Archduke happened.

[Wilted Rose]

<Snipped quote by Pepperm1nts> Eh, it's hard to tell actually. I don't know if Ataturk's success was a given, or if it was something that required an Ataturk. If the remaining Turkish power structure is full of incompetents... Remember that Rome was sacked by hungry tribesman.

@Vilageidiotx

Personally, I believe it may have required a man like him. He managed to win a war on several fronts. Against Britian, Italy, and France's colonial armies. As well as the Greek and Armenian armies. He was a very capapable leader. However, that is not to say there isn't a few men on par with him in Turkey during this period of PoW. This would be the period to show themselves.

[Rare]

@vilageidiotx I guess we'll disagree there, then. I don't really see it happening though. If a bunch of mostly uneducated Armenians (probably farmers and such) with very little can topple an empire and then actively participate in its Balkanization, then a bunch of educated Turks from said toppled empire ought to be able to get a hold of shit, kick them out and restore some semblance of competence to their leadership. Being able to stomp all over Turkey like they have done is hard to believe. @Jeddaven Turkey is probably not an enemy. Relations are sour, probably, but I think 'enemy' goes too far. Especially if you go with Vilage's suggestions to have an Arms Industry that deals in shady shit. The arming of Armenian rebels could have been done by the Arms Industry without authorization by the government. Or it could have been the government, but the blame could fall on the Arms Industry. And Prussia wouldn't be an enemy as much as it is a concern. Like, there is no on-going conflict happening between them, just, like.. they are wary of each other, I guess. Serbia is not their enemy either, I don't think. Aside from that, your biggest enemy would probably come from within. There are probably Czech and Ukranian nationalists that aren't pleased to suddenly be Polish. You could look into Austria-Hungary and the problems they faced to see more or less what you'd be dealing with. But in short, a lot of people trying to gain more rights for their minority group, trying to secede, protesting, rioting, maybe even small-scale rebellions and assassination attempts, ect. It depends on how big it is allowed to grow and how long the problem is allowed to exist, but Austria-Hungary had to deal with all of that at different points. And then the Archduke happened.

@Pepperm1nts

You forgot about dear old Hungary!!!

[Pepperm1nts]

Oh, yeah. I guess Hungary would be Poland's only real enemy, since they had a war a few years back. Hungary attacked Ukraine and Poland intervened.

[Vilageidiotx]

<Snipped quote by Vilageidiotx> Personally, I believe it may have required a man like him. He managed to win a war on several fronts. Against Britian, Italy, and France's colonial armies. As well as the Greek and Armenian armies. He was a very capable leader. However, that is not to say there isn't a few men on par with him in Turkey during this period of PoW. This would be the period to show themselves.

@Wilted Rose

Yeh. The Armenian storyline might be simplified because... well, all of our stories are simplified. But It isn't necessarily unbelievable. France and Algeria. Russia and Afghanistan. The US and France in Vietnam. The US in Iraq. It's a bad idea to underestimate what happens when a group of people are willing to sacrifice everything. Not to say that people should start using that as an excuse to start doing stupid shit. As a rule of thumb, people only fight when they have a personnel connection to something. You can get people to fight for their homelands much easier than you can to get them to fight far away.

[Rare]

Oh shit. The Guild is changed. God damn. It looks so different.

[Chapatrap]

It looks like Iwaku again.

[Pepperm1nts]

@vilageidiotx

France and Algeria. Russia and Afghanistan. The US and France in Vietnam. The US in Iraq. It's a bad idea to underestimate what happens when a group of people are willing to sacrifice everything.

Hold up just a goddamn second. In every single one of those examples, the loser in the strong invader. That is not what happened in PoW. In PoW, the loser was the strong defender, and the winner, somehow, was the weak invader. The defender in this case is also educated and at least well-armed, where the defender is under-armed, under-manned and with a population that is not as well educated. Not to mention the defender has the automatic advantage of being home, where most people will support the defense Literally the only thing the invader has going for it in this case is the made-up disadvantage of the defender's leadership being incompetent. But holy hell, how incompetent do you have to be to let this happen? And, like.. really, where the hell are the country's educated people? They're just sitting somewhere while all these weak states pick away at their nation? They're like "well our sultan was stupid so there's nothing we can do now that he's FUCKING GONE." In your examples, it was weak, highly uneducated guerrilla fighters successfully fighting off major powers. So why can't a, let's say 'decent', moderately educated nation that is at least partially industrialized, well-armed and at the very goddamn least more organized than just any guerrilla group having trouble stopping all these weak nations from picking it apart? Sorry dude, but I don't buy it. I am not saying we should fix anything though, I'm just saying I don't see it being 'believable'.