[OOC] Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

[Dinh AaronMk]

[Waiting for posts from anyone continues]

[Shiro]

@Wilted Rose@Chapatrap@gorgenmast@Shyri@Pepperm1nts@Mihndar
I made our next game!
Diplomacy Game
The password is potato.

I hope I set everything up right. >.>

[Wilted Rose]

@Dinh AaronMK
I imagine this is what is happening with China in Russia, by the way.



Just tanks tanks tanks though needs more singing 7/10

[Pepperm1nts]

@Wilted Rose@Chapatrap@gorgenmast@Shyri@Pepperm1nts@Mihndar
I made our next game!
Diplomacy Game
The password is potato.

I hope I set everything up right. >.>

@Shiro

I joined it.

Someone keeps holding our current game hostage and we're having to wait the whole 24 hours. It's getting a little annoying.

[Chapatrap]

I joined.

Yet another excuse to keep me from posting...

[Shyri]

I would post but I haven't felt like writing.

Well... Not for PoW. I've been in a fantasy mood. =P

[Chapatrap]

@Dinh AaronMK
I imagine this is what is happening with China in Russia, by the way.



Just tanks tanks tanks though needs more singing 7/10

@Wilted Rose

Meanwhile in Independent Istanbul:

[Dinh AaronMk]

@Dinh AaronMK
I imagine this is what is happening with China in Russia, by the way.



Just tanks tanks tanks though needs more singing 7/10

@Wilted Rose

You wouldn't be totally wrong.

[Lider]

For awhile now I have been planning on joing this thread. Though I have been planning on joing as my native Portugal, I'll need to get some things sorted out before I create an app. First I need know if it would be ok if I have Diturda Nacional form. It historically formed in 1926 after overthrowing the unstable 1 Republic and led to the formation of the Estado Novo. If it forms, Antonio Oliveira Salazar will inevitably become Minister of Finance. From there he would likely form the Estado Novo, but there would be one thing missing that would prevent it from forming. Influence from Mussolini. Salazar was inspired by Mussolini. Without Mussolini, there would be no inspiration for the Estado Novo.

But if it's ok, I would like to throw the Estado Novo in. The economic collapse of the United Kingdom would have a negative effect on Portugal, how severe I don't know yet. Now it may look like I'm pulling this out of the history book but if Salazar is in charge, the Portuguese Colonial War will happen. Salazar neglected the colonies. A communist rebellion would surely happen and without a doubt, it would be influence by China.

Now I'm going to need to know what happened to Portugal's Colonies/Overseas Provinces.

Angola appears to have been passed off has a German colony and later gaining it's independence. Same with Mozambique. I don't know about Portuguese Timor, Portuguese Guinea, Cape Verde, Sao Tome and Principe and Portuguese India (Goa, Diu, Daman, Dadra and Nagar Havelhi.)

I also don't know how China got ahold of Macao. Maybe I have read enough of the lore. However I would like to know China would deal with Macao's casinos.

[Wilted Rose]

Well, Mussolini was the inspiration for many people. Including Hitler, but Hitler died like a scrub in the trenches. To be honest, I don't exactly know what happened to him. I just think he never managed to round up as much support as he did in the 1920s as he did in the real world. So he had a small radical political party at most, that never did March on Rome. (That would also make Italy probably the only nation with a Fascist party, just very small.)

So the influence could still be there unless we also go with the idea where that bald nerd got shot in the trenches up in the Alps.

On the topic of Portugal's pretty hefty colonial empire, I don't know that much about the lore yet to give an answer there.

[Dinh AaronMk]

For awhile now I have been planning on joing this thread. Though I have been planning on joing as my native Portugal, I'll need to get some things sorted out before I create an app. First I need know if it would be ok if I have Diturda Nacional form. It historically formed in 1926 after overthrowing the unstable 1 Republic and led to the formation of the Estado Novo. If it forms, Antonio Oliveira Salazar will inevitably become Minister of Finance. From there he would likely form the Estado Novo, but there would be one thing missing that would prevent it from forming. Influence from Mussolini. Salazar was inspired by Mussolini. Without Mussolini, there would be no inspiration for the Estado Novo.

But if it's ok, I would like to throw the Estado Novo in. The economic collapse of the United Kingdom would have a negative effect on Portugal, how severe I don't know yet. Now it may look like I'm pulling this out of the history book but if Salazar is in charge, the Portuguese Colonial War will happen. Salazar neglected the colonies. A communist rebellion would surely happen and without a doubt, it would be influence by China.

Now I'm going to need to know what happened to Portugal's Colonies/Overseas Provinces.

Angola appears to have been passed off has a German colony and later gaining it's independence. Same with Mozambique. I don't know about Portuguese Timor, Portuguese Guinea, Cape Verde, Sao Tome and Principe and Portuguese India (Goa, Diu, Daman, Dadra and Nagar Havelhi.)

I also don't know how China got ahold of Macao. Maybe I have read enough of the lore. However I would like to know China would deal with Macao's casinos.

@Lider

Portugese colonies probably got lost in the chaos of the long-ass Great War. It's pretty much the biggest one-size-fits-all lampshade for this scenario.

As per Macau, that exchanged hands when the Japanese stomped it out when they invaded the Chinese mainland. Like Hong Kong that left British control during the Sino-Japanese war and then got trapped and lost in the exchanges thereafter. It would have bounced back to Kuomintang control and inevitably got wrapped up in the uprising in Hong Kong, lead by Hou and his and many of his follower's eventual escape west. After which Hong Kong and Macau were rolled in unceremoniously into China and the casinos shut down as per anti-gambling law, though I have elements of which operating underground still.

So that's how I got Macau and how Portugal lost it.

And what you do with Portugal's it's got to still end up a member of the Iberian League and a signatory of its Ibiza Treaty. Some ten years ago Spain pulled off a successful false-flag operation in Lisbon to spook the Portugese into fearing Communism as much as Spain hated it to get them to sign. Gorgenmast can get you the details, but he's between apartments at the moment so may be a while.

But in brief: what happens on the home front it has to have Portugal aligning itself to Spain and its international politics by the 1970's.

[Wilted Rose]

Mmmm, I dunno if the Great War is a good reason for Portugal losing its colonies. Since Portugese colonial troops had their own front against the German colonies and thus would've been reinforced and helped by mainland Portugal during the war. Which would've made later uprisings for independence pretty difficult since there would've been a lot of not only colonial troops, but Portuguese Army and Naval forces too.

Their Indonesian colonies were most likely taken over by the Empire of Japan though, no doubt there.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Trying to figure out realism in our exaggerated Great War has been an exercise in bashing our head against a brick wall for about four years now :P. It's kind of gotten to the point for us old fags that we pretty much gave up trying and are working with it, though a few helpful things happened in mainland Europe to make it more believable. As Vilage has said, our Great War compliments the over all absurdity of the Precipice brand, where Spain can be the US, and China can become a thing in ten-fifteen years, where Ethiopians who never heard of 'food' can dominate the entire center of the African continent, and where the Germans decide to elect in referendum a construction worker to be the Kaiser because he's related to House Hohenstaufen.

But there's a lot of empty space in the lore concerning the Great War that from a story standpoint there's a lot that could have gone on. I think on and off we've tried to do something to explore that period, but we never got around to it.

[Lider]

The Great War would only explain the loss of Angola and Mozambique. However Cape Verde, Sao Tome and Principe and Portuguese Guinea were located a distance away from German colonies. We also have Portuguese Timor and Portuguese India unaccounted for.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Given India also took a shit, albeit in the 70's that would be something that explains it. Sometime in 1971 I think the post-colonial government of India decided to up and explode one day plunging the country into a state similar to Russia. Regionalization ensued with each having their own psuedo war-lord government and local military on hand. Any one could have potentially overwhelmed French and Portugese India before Persian and Chinese interests moved in on the nation.

And then both got bored and sort of decided to make something of the former nation, rebuilding it as the Indian Federation and left.

Timor could have been swallowed up by the Japanese war machine in the thirties-fifties.

For everything else, I'm not sure. Somehow in the period between 'then' and now something had to have happened. But for the tiny islands, I haven't touched the map in a long time and that's been relegated to the guy who brought the new one in (Mihndar) and Chapatrap.

[gorgenmast]

As for the African possessions, Cabo Verde is still Portuguese, as are the Azores. Sao Tome e Principe hasn't been touched since the start of the RP... so you can have that too I suppose. Portuguese Guinea was lumped into a larger Ivory Coast state in order simplify the African colonies back when the RP started.

Bear in mind that I will be happy to work with you to iron out your Portugal in terms of already-established lore. Feel free to steam/pm me if you have any concerns or questions.

[Vilageidiotx]

Mussolini died the death we call "Two few competent players in Europe." Googer has sort of headed that show, since Hugs refuses to post, and he only has so much time. Why exactly we never had a nationalist re-surge like we did in real life is sort of left in the dust.

I think the unspoken assumption for why a lot of these colonies are unaccounted for is because, after the economic collapse that came with the last portion of the Great War, the European powers simply couldn't afford to pay attention to their possessions. Of course, this doesn't exactly explain how Belgium, the country stuck square in the middle of the western front, managed not only to hold onto the Congo but somehow expanded their African borders after the war and ruled most of central Africa until 1970 (remember, the only posessions I ever took in the RP is the Belgian Congo, Egyptian Sudan, and Hejaz. The majority of the Ethiopian Empire is just old Belgian possessions). So yeh. I dunno.

Precipice might have some of the best examples of writing in the weird world of internet roleplaying, but it doesn't have much in the way of cannon consistency.

[Dinh AaronMk]

It's like a Kojima game.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Greek Silliness here

[Vilageidiotx]

Gotta love that a cat became a perspective character in Precipice. Now the God-Emperor needs his own art.

Also...

“You've never been with a girl, ever?” she asked suddenly, as Tsung collected his things.

“Excuse me?” he stuttered, looking back. He tried not to stare for long, and turned back to his things.

“You.” she repeated, “You act like it. Not even a sister?” she asked.

I read that three times before I realized she didn't mean it was surprising he hadn't managed to score any incest.