[OOC] Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

[Vilageidiotx]

who the fuk that. i'll whoop 'em

[Wilted Rose]

who the fuk that. i'll whoop 'em

@Vilageidiotx

[Dinh AaronMk]

who the fuk that. i'll whoop 'em

@Vilageidiotx

A friend of mine, we were bantering in Steam chat and I guess he found himself looking at this thread.

[Chapatrap]

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@Dinh AaronMk

Goddammit, Raddeh.

[TheEvanCat]

IT'S NOT GAY, WE'RE JUST REALLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.

Now excuse me while I put some clothes on and hide the baby oil.

[gorgenmast]

The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.

[Mao Mao]

Alright, I do have two questions for the GMs. It isn't going to be long at all.

What kind of posts would you like to see? Because, I mainly want to focus on the LGBT+ community (and maybe, if it's fine with you guys, the HIV/AIDS epidemic of the 1980s? Even known America was the epicenter of the epidemic. Or should I just leave it alone?).

And lastly, How long should my posts be? I can write paragraphs if you guys need me to; but, I need to make sure that I don't below the minimum requirement that you guys have.

[Byrd Man]

Well, it's 1980 in the game... but not quite the 1980 you know.

[Mao Mao]

Well, it's 1980 in the game... but not quite the 1980 you know.

@Byrd Man

That is true... But, I don't know what to post that will be interesting to you guys and I also want the Netherlands to some how have an impact in this roleplay as well without doing something too stupid or unrealistic.

[Byrd Man]

Post whatever you feel like. The thing I've learned to love about this game is that you can tell almost any story as long as it works within the framework of the world. For instance I've had a baseball story, a PI story, a heist story, a civil rights struggle, and a political drama all going on at the same time. The world is you oyster, so shuck away. Tell your story.

[Pepperm1nts]

The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.

@gorgenmast

Googer Baratheon returns!

[Vilageidiotx]

With the civil rights movement still a present tense affair and europe still in an imperial mindset, i dont know if there would be much of a gay rights movement as of yet. Though, i really dont know.

Aids does exist, Googer has touched on it, but compared to the real life trajectory of the disease it is still very much the 70s.

As for using the LGBT movement as a springboard, you can probably use it but it'll have to be part of a larger movement. With civil rights as an open question, it would be difficult for such a movement to gain traction alone. But part of some larger liberalizing movement? It is doable.

[Dinh AaronMk]

@The Spectre

Per HIV/AIDS: Spain is probably the first country to have recognized it even exists, but understanding of it is still very young and weak. It's still just sort of referred to as the strange auto-immune disease that soldiers brought over from Africa. But I would advise asking @gorgenmast about the details of Spanish pool closures when it comes to this; because even I'm not sure.

As per LGBT in Europe, as Vilage said with the European continent still locked in a very imperial mindset then a movement strictly around gays may not receive much traction and I imagine there's a considerable degree of conservatism when it comes to that. This is a Europe after all where the Germans re-instated the Emperor and where in Russia the czar maintained power until his assassination in the 70's, followed by intense collapse of the Russian government as well as the state as a whole. I'd probably go out on a limb and suggest that a large-scale gay-rights movement might be treated in-part like advocacy of communism as much as mixing the races in marriage was in America in the 1960's, and American civil rights in this RP is still in the 40's or 50's.

Hell, I don't think there's even been a Sexual Revolution in the same sense as the 1960's counter-culture that could even be used to build up the importance of gays in a political sense.

[Vilageidiotx]

None of this is to say you can't touch the subject of course. There is a context you could potentially use to create movements like gay liberation in PoW. The social circumstances of northern Europe haven't been expanded on very much beyond Britain. As we have alluded to, a lot of the governments of Europe are antiquated and brittle. With Spain and Britain making power plays in Africa whilst China looks to be swallowing Russia, social tension in the rest of Europe would be tense. The gay underground has been around for centuries, so we'd assume it is present in PoW, and if social tensions get explosive in continental Europe then a spirit of political radicalism and near-revolutionary sentiments could create a gay rights movement in the same way the civil rights movement and the radicalism of the sixties brought about the gay lib movement.

[TheEvanCat]

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That is true... But, I don't know what to post that will be interesting to you guys and I also want the Netherlands to some how have an impact in this roleplay as well without doing something too stupid or unrealistic.

@The Spectre

You could give me guns so I can further remove kebabs and fuck the Middle East singlehandedly.

[Dinh AaronMk]

None of this is to say you can't touch the subject of course. There is a context you could potentially use to create movements like gay liberation in PoW. The social circumstances of northern Europe haven't been expanded on very much beyond Britain. As we have alluded to, a lot of the governments of Europe are antiquated and brittle. With Spain and Britain making power plays in Africa whilst China looks to be swallowing Russia, social tension in the rest of Europe would be tense. The gay underground has been around for centuries, so we'd assume it is present in PoW, and if social tensions get explosive in continental Europe then a spirit of political radicalism and near-revolutionary sentiments could create a gay rights movement in the same way the civil rights movement and the radicalism of the sixties brought about the gay lib movement.

@Vilageidiotx

While we're on the subject of the underground gay scene: did you know the Ottoman and North African world was the DeFacto mecca for European gays? As I read European literati used to travel to places like Tunis or Egypt where there was a public openness towards homosexuality, or more so than Europe. And also porking young boys in the butt, but that's another thing.

I don't know how relevant that antiquated piece of information would be at the end of the day though, since that would have been over a century ago. But if I were to imagine a PoW-contemporary underground gay scene in Europe then I'd imagine hangers-on trappings of Orientalism.

[Chapatrap]

We should have a Dutch David Bowie, who dresses in drag and claims to be gay for the shock factor. He could ride in on some kind of American civil rights platform and make it hip to be progressive.

EDIT: Also, this would be a good time to mention I'm not going to be posting as Georgia for the foreseeable future (not that I was anyway) due to [insert stock excuse here]. Instead, I've been considering running a solo character and fucking around with something with less responsibility.

So, yeah, Evan, feel free to Garfunkel me and decide what happens in that part of the world.

[TheEvanCat]

We should have a Dutch David Bowie, who dresses in drag and claims to be gay for the shock factor. He could ride in on some kind of American civil rights platform and make it hip to be progressive.

EDIT: Also, this would be a good time to mention I'm not going to be posting as Georgia for the foreseeable future (not that I was anyway) due to [insert stock excuse here]. Instead, I've been considering running a solo character and fucking around with something with less responsibility.

So, yeah, Evan, feel free to Garfunkel me and decide what happens in that part of the world.

@Chapatrap

*Maniacal laughter ensues*

[Vilageidiotx]

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While we're on the subject of the underground gay scene: did you know the Ottoman and North African world was the DeFacto mecca for European gays? As I read European literati used to travel to places like Tunis or Egypt where there was a public openness towards homosexuality, or more so than Europe. And also porking young boys in the butt, but that's another thing.

I don't know how relevant that antiquated piece of information would be at the end of the day though, since that would have been over a century ago. But if I were to imagine a PoW-contemporary underground gay scene in Europe then I'd imagine hangers-on trappings of Orientalism.

@Dinh AaronMk

I skimmed around last night to find out exactly where the gay movement was before Stonewall, and I found some allusions to (but no direct explanation of) a sort of 18th century version of the Stonewall riots that happened in London.

Here is some more info though

[Wilted Rose]

No country is as gay as Turkey. Bless that Oil wrestling, BLESS IT.