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You're fine it was my mistake for not checking where it was ingame and then not actually saying in my posts it was in the First District.

I think more than one person has already gone to the Third District so, I can do whatever fix you guys want to do.
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I can still change my post if that would make it easier for you and the others. I'm easy. :)
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Let's just go with my idea that he has a separate shop and home, and he's at the shop right now, which is why he didn't hear any of the noises just yet. But he can travel between them as he wishes. Which is why different people have different things to say about where they last saw the Wizard. He is seen going in and out of both locations.

So Lucian, Morgan, and Merlin are at the shop, while Taivas and Dotty are at his home.

However... I have another idea for... consequences of entering a Wizard's home uninvited.

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Where does that battle take place again?
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Let's just go with my idea that he has a separate shop and home, and he's at the shop right now, which is why he didn't hear any of the noises just yet. But he can travel between them as he wishes. Which is why different people have different things to say about where they last saw the Wizard. He is seen going in and out of both locations.

So Lucian, Morgan, and Merlin are at the shop, while Taivas and Dotty are at his home.

However... I have another idea for... consequences of entering a Wizard's home uninvited.

@Little Bird

Where does that battle take place again?


Ooooh what did you have in mind? Could be fun for Dotty and Taivas to have sprung some sort of trap Merlin set in the house.
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Let's just go with my idea that he has a separate shop and home, and he's at the shop right now, which is why he didn't hear any of the noises just yet. But he can travel between them as he wishes. Which is why different people have different things to say about where they last saw the Wizard. He is seen going in and out of both locations.

So Lucian, Morgan, and Merlin are at the shop, while Taivas and Dotty are at his home.

However... I have another idea for... consequences of entering a Wizard's home uninvited.

@Little Bird

Where does that battle take place again?


Third Distsrict against Guard Armor. Figured we could stage a Heartless swarm to build up.
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Third Distsrict against Guard Armor. Figured we could stage a Heartless swarm to build up.


I say you can go ahead and start that. Lucian and Morgan can pop through to Merlin's house to be closer and join in if they want, and Taivas and Dotty shouldn't be in trouble for too long... assuming they can deal with some living anti-magic statues-

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I think they should be fine.

I had a funny image of Tavias getting home aloned

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I think they should be fine.

I had a funny image of Tavias getting home aloned



I was almost thinking... Taivas touching something he shouldn't.
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I'm figuring to lead into it witb a Hoshi scene with Aerith.

@Daxam you alright with Zac and Squall knowing each other?
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Well, i'm fine with starting the fight, but i'd like to wait to hear back from King about potentially having to heavily rewrite Dotty first. Like, if i'm gonna change and retcon things, i'd like to have to change a minimum.
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@mattmanganon Sorry and sorry everyone, today was busy and distracting irl. I'm glad y'all were able to come up with a solution for the Merlin confusion.

I think I found a solution. I agree different timelines for worlds and time moving differently in each one can be a thing. I was thinking that for Star Wars with its many series and movies. But for Dotty there's a way to preserve her innocence before the family loses their world and ends up in Traverse Town. Like you said, you want her to end up being hit with reality later. What if she left and went on her adventure before that happened to her family? Now she's hit with the realization that because she wasn't there to protect her family with the power she has, they lost their world and were scattered across others a la Spider-Man. And with Cruella de Ville you could say she's one of P&P's actual babies, but wasn't taken when the others were. She didn't understand what happened at the time besides gaining many more siblings. But now that she's a little older she does.
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Third Distsrict against Guard Armor. Figured we could stage a Heartless swarm to build up.


You're good to start it.

Also with the talk of worlds and timelines, Hoshi can return to The Kingdom of the Sun and end up in Kuzco's New School.
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I'm figuring to lead into it witb a Hoshi scene with Aerith.

@Daxam you alright with Zac and Squall knowing each other?


Yeah, I'm good. I had already been planning them knowing one another, anyway
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@King Kindred See the main question that this raises is: If she's REALLY one of the original 16, then why would they be accepting of her now having a big demon mask and going off on her own? I mean, Perdita is a very protective mother who doesn't want to let a single one of them out of her site. Also, i would like to take her back to 101 Dalmatian Street at some point, interacting with her siblings there. I also have built her with that sort of chaotic energy that the puppies in that series have, as opposed to the far more wholesome and lawful behaviour that Pongo and Perdita have instilled in their own. If anything, i think that keeping her as from a different time would make her play off Pongo and Perdita even better with the pair questioning what the heck happened to kids in the time difference. Like, she's got the family smell on her, so they trust her for that reason, but are still worried that that chaotic attitude will somehow spread through the rest of the puppies.

Point is, i just don't buy that a pair as wholesome as them could raise such an agent of chaos. Whereas 101DS portrays the house as controlled chaos with Delilah and Doug being the only ones with any kind of real control over the pups, her attitude feels a lot more in line with that kind of upbringing. As opposed to the pups in the movie who have prim, proper attitudes. Even in the 96 cartoon, they mostly felt adventurous, but still fitting within this mold that Pongo and Perdita have raised for them.

It's also character acting wise. As i said before, if this was before i had started writing her, before i had properly gotten into the stride of her characterization and foibles i could have easily made her a lot more prim and proper, changed her fictional love to be more eccentric than obsessive. Designed her attitude around that sort of medium that those original 99 had. Changing her now kinda feels like you're pulling the rug out from under me just as i get into the real stride of the matter.

And also... I mean, 101DS Cruella is probably the absolute best version of her A descecated, practically zombified creature who lives entirely driven by purest hatred for those dogs and went Absolutely coo coo cachoo pants on head banana's just a smidgen off the rails after her defeat. Definitely playing up the "She's like a spider waiting for the kill" line with how she moves and acts.

I will say, i do like the idea you posted of Pongo and Perdita's London being the catalyst that breaks her. Seeing that house that she knows all too well broken and destroyed. Being forced to come to terms with her own mortality as she see's the world that she grew up in but at the same time, a place she never was even given chance she could exist. The thought that THIS world would never even have Dylon or Dolly or Diesel or Delgado or any of the others. Not even Doug and Delilah were given a chance to exist here. Giving her a crisis of confidence as she worries about her own house at 101 Dalmatian Street, how these Heartless might destroy that as well unless she gets the power to stop them, leading her down a darker path.

The alternate idea for now, might be to refrain from giving a definitive answer until such time as we have a better idea for where this story is progressing. I stop making references to 101DS (Except the Poodlewolf stuff) and other specifically named puppies and we retcon the other puppies name-dropped out and keep her exact origin up for determination until later when we have a better idea for where the story and characters are going at which point we can commit and go for it then. Who knows, you may find yourself watching 101DS and decide you'd rather go with that as well at some point, at which time, i'll have pivotted hard and it'll be too late to change it back.
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Yeah, I'm good. I had already been planning them knowing one another, anyway


Awesome. I'm figuring to semd him out. Maybe get a collab going? Maybe not. I plan on pulling back the mistaken identity situation Hoshi is currently in.
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@Little Bird Oh, i am very much looking forward to the "What do you mean he's the Leon you're looking for?" bit.
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@mattmanganon I don't think they would be accepting of her having a big demon mask even as a descendant. Especially with their world being lost to darkness they'd want to hold onto and keep her safe if they saw the mask. I figured she'd hide it feeling that they wouldn't approve of it regardless of her origins and probably would remain in human form so they didn't think she was one of their family. Though I disagree that being one of the original pups would stop her from being adventurous as Patch in the sequel was one and it's one of his defining characteristics and Lucky was arrogant.

But no, this isn't me trying to pull a rug from under you. I just wanted to make sure things were less confusing and convoluted. But if it's not confusing for @Eviledd1984 I don't mind either history.
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@mattmanganon I don't think they would be accepting of her having a big demon mask even as a descendant. Especially with their world being lost to darkness they'd want to hold onto and keep her safe if they saw the mask. I figured she'd hide it feeling that they wouldn't approve of it regardless of her origins and probably would remain in human form so they didn't think she was one of their family. Though I disagree that being one of the original pups would stop her from being adventurous as Patch in the sequel was one and it's one of his defining characteristics and Lucky was arrogant.

But no, this isn't me trying to pull a rug from under you. I just wanted to make sure things were less confusing and convoluted. But if it's not confusing for @Eviledd1984 I don't mind either history.


I don't mind her backstory being changed or not. I'll just re read her bio so i know what's going on.
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@King Kindred Thank you. I have DM'd on this site on and off for 15 years and DM'd tabletop constantly for the last 8 years and if that experience has taught me anything is that situations like this will happen and i call them "A Bob Ross Moment"

The Bob Ross moment is when something has happened, due to nobody in particulars fault. Like, this wasn't expected, this wasn't planned, in the DM's perfect world, this was NEVER supposed to happen. But someone has made a series of decisions where you realize that the culmination of what was supposed to happen is probably not gonna. You then have 2 options. Carefully, craftily steer the RP back to where you wanted it to go, get the players back on the DM's masterfully create track with them having no idea this wasn't part of your carefully crafted, Machiavellian scheme... Or you can steer into it. Let the players have some actually natural, authentic moments where things just went a way you had NO idea it was going to go. And as it happens, you start realizing a story path you never considered before that you can take the players down which is just as good as before. It wasn't a mistake, it was just a happy little accident As such: The Bob Ross Moment.
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Awesome. I'm figuring to semd him out. Maybe get a collab going? Maybe not. I plan on pulling back the mistaken identity situation Hoshi is currently in.


Sounds good to me! I'd be down for a collab, so let me know what you end up deciding on!
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