Your Political Ideology

[Vortex]

Damm man, I feel really bad for you

[Jannah]

Vortex said
Damm man, I feel really bad for you

Eh...it's life. It depresses the hell out of me and despite everything I've been pretty powerless in trying to fix my situation. On the bright side though at least it gives me more time to roleplay and write.

[Vortex]

Well I hope things look up for you then.

[The Nexerus]

Vortex said
Firstly all countries are privileged or not, there's a reason they call Australia "the lucky country" and when you compare Aus and the states to idk a place like Somalia for instance, it is clear who is privileged. In places that had colonisation from Europeans, again I will go with Somalia, the Europeans immediately began exploiting the reasources and enslaving the people there , not caring for the country or her people, so it's not fair to say that the true natives f Somalia shaped their history when most (of modern history) of it has been in white hands. If everyone is reduced to the same economic status that's fine with me for no one will be winning but non shall be losing we will all be in the same boat.

When you compare Australia to places like Somalia, the distinction that you observe isn't the result of privilege, it's a result of what the people in that country did in history to improve themselves. Australians were guided under the British to develop industry, take advantage of their natural resources and organize their society in an advantageous way. Australians of the past contributed to their future. Somalians of the past evidently did not. I'm going to go on a tangent with this and remind you that European colonial imperialism is the best thing that has happened to humanity in its history. Back to privilege...

Privilege is a special advantage that someone or something is given. The children of billionaires are privileged. They didn't have to work to get their fortunes, they were born into them. Entrepreneurs and the industrialists that founded the plutocratic family lines of billionaires are not privileged. Working hard, coming up with a new idea or contributing to the economy in any which way and then making a profit because of that contribution does not make you privileged (except in that you live in a glorious capitalist society and not some shithole socialist prison-country).

Does it make you rich? Absolutely. Rich, but not privileged.

Now back towards being reduced to the same boat. The salient issue here is that being put in that boat is a decrease in wealth for you and almost everyone else in your country.

Jannah said However, because nobody will hire me and I've been unemployed for years

Ninety nine times out of a hundred, people who have been unemployed for a long period of time have no one but themselves to blame. That's not necessarily your circumstance, but what've you been saying in this thread leads me to believe that it probably is.

[Vortex]

The Nexerus said
When you compare Australia to places like Somalia, the distinction that you observe isn't the result of privilege, it's a result of what the people in that country did in history to improve themselves.

Yes the white colonists exploited the land and people to put them and children in a privileged position.

The Nexerus said
Australians were guided under the British to develop industry, take advantage of their natural resources and organize their society in an advantageous way. Australians of the past contributed to their future. Somalians of the past evidently did not.

At that point Australians were still British and if you mean the aboriginals then they were given all the bad jobs if a job at all. How can the native Somalians contribute to their own future when they are slaves? To either the white man or the coin.

The Nexerus said
I'm going to go on a tangent with this and remind you that European colonial imperialism is the best thing that has happened to humanity in its history.

So many things I want to say to you right now. Unfortunately I would get a ban.

The Nexerus said
Back to privilege...Privilege is a special advantage that someone or something is given. The children of billionaires are privileged. They didn't have to work to get their fortunes, they were born into them. Entrepreneurs and the industrialists that founded the plutocratic family lines of billionaires are privileged.

Yes and like them being privileged being born into a rich family which they did not choose, I was born in a privileged country that I did not choose.

The Nexerus said
Working hard, coming up with a new idea or contributing to the economy in any which way and then making a profit because of that contribution does not make you privileged. Does it make you rich? Absolutely. Rich, but not privileged.

People like Jannah are hard workers, where is his profits? The rich get richer the poorer get poorer. Why is this? Because the rich don't have to be "hard workers" all they have to do is kick up their legs and watch the dough roll in.

The Nexerus said
(except in that you live in a glorious capitalist society and not some shithole socialist prison-country).

Yep! Boy oh boy Capitalism sure is great! It exploits the poor socioeconomic peoples so we wealthy can continue the good life! I sure would not want to live in a filthy socialist country like Sweden where education, healthcare and other things are free and so people like Jannah can never reach their full potential! Nope I sure would not want eqaulity!

The Nexerus said
Now back towards being reduced to the same boat. The salient issue here is that being put in that boat is a decrease in wealth for you and almost everyone else in your country.

The money would be spread equally, so yes the rich would be poorer but the majority will be richer.

The Nexerus said
Ninety nine times out of a hundred, people who have been unemployed for a long period of time have no one but themselves to blame. That's not necessarily your circumstance, but what've you been saying in this thread leads me to believe that it probably is.

Why for speaking freely? For openly stating their political opinion? So much for America being the land of the free.

[The Nexerus]

The Somalians were about as 'enslaved' as the settlers of Australia.

"The rich get richer and the poor get poorer". The exact opposite of that is happening. The middle class is broadening.

I really doubt that Burger King cares about whether or not their fry cooks call themselves communists.

[Vortex]

Yep because the white settlers are the native people of Australia and were made slaves by a invading colonial force which reaped the land that the settlers had been living on for years.

Yes but the Middle class is not poor but rich. In fact the very meaning of bourgeoise is to be middle class.

Did you listen to Jannah? Anyhow I have read many articles stating exactly the same. Low income earning job. No education. Comes from a poor family. Fired for expressing his rights of free speech.

[Pepperm1nts]

The Congolese loved the fuck out of Leopold II of Belgium for all the great up-lifting work he did down there, for sure.

[The Nexerus]

Pepperm1nts said
The Congolese loved the out of Leopold II of Belgium for all the great up-lifting work he did down there, for sure.

One negative example doesn't undo all of the positives.

[Jannah]

The Nexerus said
Ninety nine times out of a hundred, people who have been unemployed for a long period of time have no one but themselves to blame. That's not necessarily your circumstance, but what've you been saying in this thread leads me to believe that it probably is.

No it's not my fault. You don't know everything about my circumstances. Stop victim blaming.

[mdk]

The Nexerus said
One negative example doesn't undo all of the positives.

There's lots of counter-examples -- heck, remember that time Britain sailed up and down the coast of China, shooting cannonballs, because they wanted to stop buying pot? I don't think you wanna simplify it to 'Imperialism is awesome,' an empire is just an empire, the traits of which are independent of their expansionism. What I don't get is.... okay, so there's essentially two schools of thought, right. A, it so happens that European ancestors did something right (financially speaking at least), and their societies benefit from that history; or B, white people fucked up the world for brown people. What I don't get is, why is 'A' the racist one?

[Jannah]

I honestly never thought I'd see the day where somebody would be defending colonialism, which is responsible for the murder and enslavement of millions(actually, probably billions by now).

[mdk]

Jannah said
I honestly never thought I'd see the day where somebody would be defending colonialism, which is responsible for the murder and enslavement of millions(actually, probably billions by now).

Unchallenged ideas aren't healthy. Didn't colonialism build the world we have today? Didn't it radically stabilize countries like India (I mean, before it gunned down thousands of citizens in the street)? Globalism only exists because of the colonies. Maybe it could've been different, but it wasn't, and things are pretty sweet right now, so...... idunno. Point being, if you've never thought that anybody could ever defend something, you need to start thinking more.

[Jannah]

mdk said
Unchallenged ideas aren't healthy. Didn't colonialism build the world we have today? Didn't it radically stabilize countries like India (I mean, before it gunned down thousands of citizens in the street)? Globalism only exists because of the colonies. Maybe it could've been different, but it wasn't, and things are pretty sweet right now, so...... idunno. Point being, if you've never thought that anybody could ever defend something, you need to start thinking more.

India is not exactly ideal. Under British rule they were brutally repressed, starved, and genocided(I know plenty of Indians who could back this up). And then nowadays they have the whole sweat shop slavery thing going on. There's a reason why left-wing ideas are on the rise there.

[mdk]

Jannah said
India is not exactly ideal. Under British rule they were brutally repressed, starved, and genocided(I know plenty of Indians who could back this up). And then nowadays they have the whole sweat shop slavery thing going on. There's a reason why left-wing ideas are on the rise there.

The history isn't as one-sided as all that. Check it out sometime, it's interesting stuff. Messy and complicated like all the best stories. Anyway India currently boasts the fastest-growing middle class in the world, and are better-poised than China to overtake the US as the world's leading consumer economy.

[The Nexerus]

The British most definitely did not genocide Indians. There wasn't even any reason for them to have wanted to. The work that they gave India, that you call slavery, was better than any citizen of the Mughal Empire could've had.

India was better off for European colonization.

[Pepperm1nts]

I acknowledge that colonialism had a lot of positive effects. But I also acknowledge it had a lot of negative effects (that in some cases outweigh the good). Exploitation of the land and people, coupled with the atrocities committed make colonialism in Africa, especially, a very regrettable ordeal in spite of whatever good it ultimately brought. It did a lot of good for Africa, but it also did a lot of bad, that unfortunately still plagues the continent to this day. Africa is a mess and colonialism is partly to blame.

We can say that, in the end, it paved the way for a lot of good. But let's not forget all the fucked up shit that happened. Let's not pretend it was all rainbows and unicorns.

[The Nexerus]

Pepperm1nts said
I acknowledge that colonialism had a lot of positive effects. But I also acknowledge it had a lot of negative effects (that in some cases outweigh the good). Exploitation of the land and people, coupled with the atrocities committed make colonialism in Africa, especially, a very regrettable ordeal in spite of whatever good it ultimately brought. It did a lot of good for Africa, but it also did a lot of bad, that unfortunately still plagues the continent to this day. Africa is a mess and colonialism is partly to blame.We can say that, in the end, it paved the way for a lot of good. But let's not forget all the fucked up shit that happened. Let's not pretend it was all rainbows and unicorns.

I never said it was all rainbows and unicorns. I think we should remember what the colonies were before they were colonized, then look at them in their colonial form and compare.

[Jannah]

The Nexerus said
The British most definitely did not genocide Indians. There wasn't even any reason for them to have wanted to. The work that they gave India, that you call slavery, was better than any citizen of the Mughal Empire could've had.India was better off for European colonization.

It looks like somebody's blog, but it looks like it's still pretty well backed up with other sources. http://greatgameindia.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/indian-holocaust-under-british-raj-1-8-billion-excess-deaths-ignored-by-anglo-media/

[mdk]

The Nexerus said
I never said it was all rainbows and unicorns. I think we should remember what the colonies were before they were colonized, then look at them in their colonial form and compare.

America here. The natives didn't really benefit much. But for the rest of us, awesome.