[OOC] Somethings Can't Be Forgotten

[Love Dove]

You're a baby!! Sorry couldn't help myself. Yeah you're not a 90s kid. But that's okay.

Well that's good at least. Dull classes are the worst.

Why Kilroy? I kind of like his, Elizabeth had a good reason to turn him. Hmm well maybe he is one of those you have to write for before getting his story.

[mamagermany]

I may be a baby, but I am everyone's mother. Everyone's my children. You're my child. Several more of my RP partners are my children. My former roomate who's older than me is my child. Apathetic Mom, that's me.

Though I'm dreading tonight's Shakespeare class, which is four hours of Titus Andronicus, the most cheerful of all Shakespeare's plays, and knowing my school, most of that class time will be spent talking about why the two villains, who were directly responsible for at least three deaths and one rape, are the real victims. Goody goody. I'm tired of this current trend of trying to make every single villain into a victim. Like, one villain is black and the other is a woman, therefore they're victims of society and that's completely why they killed three people and got a fourth raped. Nah man, society didn't force them to do that shit. Those characters should be treated as indivduals with their own autonomy and ability to make their own decisions.

Perhaps it is good enough. I was thinking it was a bit threadbare. But maybe you're right, I can figure out more about him as I write him.

Edit: oop, just killed a fourth person

Edit: in case you were wondering, a grand total of 14 people got killed

[Love Dove]

Haha you know that Apathetic means not caring right?

Did you point that out in your class? I really hate the whole pity the bad guy thing. I mean I can understand the whole feeling bad for them but that doesn't change what they did.

Also holy shit! 14 that is a lot of people!

Well if you aren't happy with it then change it hon. I mean its your characters.

[mamagermany]

My apathy is less about the people I care about and more about the world around me, to which I've grown quite apathetic.
But now that you point that out, it's a bit confusing. I am a Mom Friend who is Apathetic about everything else. Gotta figure out how to rework that.

Oh boy, that class was a wild ride. There was quite a lot of the teacher, mostly, trying to make all these crazy arguments that really did not add up. I filled a whole page with questions and critiques about the holes in her arguments. I mentioned one or two in class. She did go trying to deem the villain as a victim, that as a strong, sexy woman, she's unfairly demonized, and I did mention that I didn't think it was unfair to demonize a woman who explicitly encouraged her sons to rape someone. And my teacher went on about how the villain was the best parent in the play, and this boy in my class, bless him, said 'look I can't ignore the fact that she gave birth and immediately sent the baby off to be killed.' My teacher said, to that, 'oh yeah, I kinda forgot about that'.
She went on with these same inconsistencies about the other female lead, saying this lead was supposed to be the 'perfect woman' archetype - even though one of her biggest speaking scenes in the play is her using a lot of these coarse insults and harsh language towards the villain, which is inconsistent with her supposedly being the archetypal 'perfect woman'. My teacher also claimed that by this girl being raped and mutilated, she became even more of the perfect woman archetype (because she had her tongue and hands cut off, so she became mute and passive, the theoretical perfect woman archetype) - but no longer being a virgin doesn't fit the archetype, being mutilated and therefore less pretty doesn't fit the archetype, and her being rendered passive and mute isn't treated as an improvement.
My teacher has no idea how to support her arguments with examples from the text, is what I'm getting at here.

Shakespeare's bloodiest play, yes.

Perhaps I will, perhaps I won't. I haven't been feeling particularly inspired lately.

[Love Dove]

Haha okay yeah that makes more sense when you put it that way. So you're the...Apathetic Mom Friend. That doesn't sound much better does it? I get it though.

Oh wow. I...I don't know what to say to that but da fuck. She actually said that being raped and mutilated made the character a perfect woman? Really Shakespeare da fuck dude?

Yeah I can tell!

I know what you mean hon, I've been that way too.

[mamagermany]

Maybe I'll change my title to that. Might make things a little bit clearer. Even if not, not like I get a ton of people confronting me about it in confusion.

Don't blame that on Shakespeare. My teacher didn't provide any evidence that that's what Shakespeare was going for. She didn't provide any textual evidence, so I'm not inclined to believe her.

It's one of his earliest plays, so it suffers from inexperienced writing and inconsistent characters and a young writer just trying to make a play that'd entertain at the lowest form. It's Shakespeare's Micheal Bay movie.

[Love Dove]

*peeks in slowly* Hi! I'm working on your reply now. Sorry I've been not as talkative lately. I haven't had very much sleep lately.

[mamagermany]

Awesoooooome!!

As for me, homework has been kicking my ass so I apologize for my inactivity.

[Love Dove]

No reason to apologize darling real life comes first after all. :)

[mamagermany]

Yeah everything's been real weird lately. Apparently it's just something about October. Guess that's when classes get serious about work, is all.

[Love Dove]

Hmm I don't know, I mean my sister had her had midterms so maybe that's it?

[mamagermany]

No, we haven't gotten midterms yet. Just everyone assigning projects at once.

[Love Dove]

Hmm. I don't know then. That's interesting, like are you even getting close to them?

[mamagermany]

Perhaps. To be frank, I'm focusing so much on just churning out my assignments on time, I'm not really paying attention to my schedule for midterms. I'm certain my teachers haven't mentioned them just yet.

[mamagermany]

Okay, I'm working on the response now. I'd like to talk about Jaspin and Elizabeth for a sec. I wanna talk about how we think they met and how their relationship grew and specific moments they might have shared. The intimacy and chemistry is all in the details. It'll make the fallout all the more painful with those moments backing it up.

Also, I finally had a burst of inspiration about Bela's story, at last. I intend to finish it tonight. I'm so excited about it. It unites all the aspects of him I wanted into a coherent and reasonable backstory. Finally, it makes sense why he'd join the clan. At last.

[Love Dove]

Oh yay! And I'd love to work that out. I would think that they would have known each other for at least a few months if not a year with how much they care about each other and the fact they live together. Not really sure how they would have met.

And oh awesome I'll keep an eye out.

[mamagermany]

You mention in Jaspin's bio that he was kind of a handyman around the village. Perhaps that's how he came to know Elizabeth, a slightly richer woman (maybe she passed herself off as a widow for a bit?) moving to the outskirts of the village. Maybe he built the house she moved into, or he was the handyman who repaired a leaky roof or broken door or something. Maybe he became curious about what a lovely woman was doing being reclusive and alone.

I dunno what's going on with this backstory man, it's coming out super detailed. Awesome.

So, it's notable that Bela likes to think he despises Elizabeth, but he's kind of in denial about how much they have in common. He lusts after Natalya, hence why he loves having an excuse to play house with her when those chances come along, but he may or may not be deeply in love with her and is also in denial about that. Lotta denial masked under layers of womanizing and hostility here.

FINALLY done, woo! I don;t know what gods of writing blessed me. Why didn't they turn tonight's writing prowess towards the essay I have to write. Why.

[Love Dove]

I really like that, he could have been her handy man. I kind of enjoy the idea of him using fixing her leaks and broken things to get to know her.

I kind of love his back story. Its sad but makes him really interesting.

[mamagermany]

Maybe she'd start liking having him around and falling in love with him and she just keeps breaking her stuff just to get him to come around more. Perhaps it's kind of an old rundown house to begin with so they have lots of time to get to know each other (even though with her age, she probably knows how to do a lot of it herself). But then we need to also start thinking, what's the moment when he finds she's a vampire? How does that go, how do they handle it? I expect Elizabeth would be absolutely terrified at that moment, sobbing with fear terrified.
But then, perhaps she tells him herself. There could be a reason she's do that.
Would Jaspin start suspecting? What kind of questions would Jaspin ask her about her life? Elizabeth would probably be very vague and avoid answering questions a lot.

In one night, I think I made my most interesting character of mine in the RP. Not sure how to feel about that.

[Love Dove]

Awe that's kind of sort of adorable. So then would they actually live in her house instead of his?

Hmm well I mean with the first idea of her not telling him, I would imagine that he would have accidentally find out. I'm not really sure how. Maybe he came over and find her before she had time to clean up covered in blood. He would have freaked out thinking she was hurt, and then when she told him and was terrified and sobbing in fear. He just loved her enough to calm her down and not tell anyone.

If she told him, he might have started suspecting. Imean she's always cold, doesn't have a heartbeat, and didn't want to leave the house. I figure that he would have asked her everything. Ask how she was turned, how long she had been a vampire, if blood was the reason she moved here, things like that.

Honestly I'm fine with either of those. Which would you prefer?

Haha I've done that before.