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Right off the bat, no. You are not getting Self-Restraint. That's OP as shit.

Secondly, I don't mind him having a Katon, but considering he is Nara, a Katon would most likely equate to chakra usage of about 10 minutes worth of Shadow Imitation. Although I don't mind you having it, I'd like it to be well-known that at the present level it is nowhere near Mastery (and I doubt it will be) and will most likely consume a high amount of chakra.
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Right off the bat, no. You are not getting Self-Restraint. That's OP as shit.


Is that the only issue with it? I will ponder adaptations to the technique then.
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Right off the bat, no. You are not getting Self-Restraint. That's OP as shit.Secondly, I don't mind him having a Katon, but considering he is Nara, a Katon would most likely equate to chakra usage of about 10 minutes worth of Shadow Imitation. Although I don't mind you having it, I'd like it to be well-known that at the present level it is nowhere near Mastery (and I doubt it will be) and will most likely consume a high amount of chakra.


Yeah, he doesn't have the ability to really use much in terms of Fire. It is why he really only has a Fire ability that incorporates Shuriken.

Can you also provide some specifics on why Self-Restraint is an issue?
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The reason I say no to the technique is that it is completely unfair. A jutsu that once connects, holds a person still while its user can move freely?

You might as well not even pretend I'm going to allow that. For any Shadow Imitation technique, with the exception of the shit with the Kunai, you will have to be focused for it.
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The reason I say no to the technique is that it is completely unfair. A jutsu that once connects, holds a person still while its user can move freely?You might as well not even pretend I'm going to allow that. For any Shadow Imitation technique, with the exception of the shit with the Kunai, you will have to be focused for it.


Well, I could honestly just use Shadow Imitation Shuriken once I catch them with standard imitation anyway?

It really isn't that big of a deal to me anyway. I can create a different technique. But considering I can just use Imitation Shuriken to start with. *shrug*
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Yes, actually. The Nara are a completely cheap character set. The only Shinobi that would most likely stand a chance would be Goro, a Jounin, my specific Genin due to his ability to guide his arrows and create constructs, and an Uchiha due to their ability to sense and control their own chakra to the degree they could disrupt a Shadow Imitation.

Any Taijutsu user that got close could win, but at a range, Nara make incredibly effective assassins. I would also limit his chakra sensing. He has no reason to just inherently be good at it, however, if he performed a stance like Shikamaru to increase his concentration, then I could understand his chakra-sensing capabilities being increased dramatically.
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Yes, actually. The Nara are a completely cheap character set. The only Shinobi that would most likely stand a chance would be Goro, a Jounin, my specific Genin due to his ability to guide his arrows and create constructs, and an Uchiha due to their ability to sense and control their own chakra to the degree they could disrupt a Shadow Imitation.Any Taijutsu user that got close could win, but at a range, Nara make incredibly effective assassins. I would also limit his chakra sensing. He has no reason to just inherently be good at it, however, if he performed a stance like Shikamaru to increase his concentration, then I could understand his chakra-sensing capabilities being increased dramatically.


They do have a really strong character set. If you want, i can use a different clan if you want. *shrug*

And yes, his Chakra Sensing is limited unless he is specifically concentrating.
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It would be greatly unfair to just make a character set offlimits. The Nara are powerful, but not completely imbalanced. All it would take, in theory, is a very powerful genjutsu Kai to break a hold, but that would only work once. I'll allow the character on the removal of Self-Restraint and the inhibitors of Katon being highly-chakra consuming and his sensing being limited to his concentration.

Shadow Sewing is another issue. The area in which Shadow Sewing is effective is stationary. I know some people try to relocate it. That's not how it will work. Once the tendrils are summoned, the entire jutsu must be reused to displace the tendrils. Basically, you can't just chase people around.
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It would be greatly unfair to just make a character set offlimits. The Nara are powerful, but not completely imbalanced. All it would take, in theory, is a very powerful genjutsu Kai to break a hold, but that would only work once. I'll allow the character on the removal of Self-Restraint and the inhibitors of Katon being highly-chakra consuming and his sensing being limited to his concentration.Shadow Sewing is another issue. The area in which Shadow Sewing is effective is stationary. I know some people try to relocate it. That's not how it will work. Once the tendrils are summoned, the entire jutsu must be reused to displace the tendrils. Basically, you can't just chase people around.


I'm not really getting what you mean with Shadow Sewing. Isn't the historical limitation on the technique being the total volume of the shadow? So you could create a bunch of tendrils, but they wouldn't have as much range as a singular one? If you can't do any adaptation to the movement of them, then the technique seems kind of useless.
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Prince would you like me to repost my CS for my Genin?
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Shadow Imitation can easily chase down a target and relocate itself. But, once the Shadow Covers an area, the tendrils are summoned through it. Once tendrils are summoned, they cannot move. You can summon more, but they can't "shift" from their spot. I know it sounds like a tiny things, but I literally have had people chase down others with tendrils that are basically intangible, regrowing bits of blackness. It's a bit broken. So, for that purpose, I break it down into two steps: Placement of the Shadow, then creation of the tendrils.
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Lilly, just wait until Beta is done.
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Ok
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Shadow Imitation can easily chase down a target and relocate itself. But, once the Shadow Covers an area, the tendrils are summoned through it. Once tendrils are summoned, they cannot move. You can summon more, but they can't "shift" from their spot. I know it sounds like a tiny things, but I literally have had people chase down others with tendrils that are basically intangible, regrowing bits of blackness. It's a bit broken. So, for that purpose, I break it down into two steps: Placement of the Shadow, then creation of the tendrils.


Wait, intangible? That doesn't even work (so whomever was doing that was doing it wrong). Usage of Shadow Sewing creates the shadow as a tangible entity, allowing it to physically embed itself into flesh. This makes them blockable by weapons.

I still don't quite get the constraint you are trying to apply. So you are saying I have to extend my shadow and then form the physical tendril from that point and have the size, direction, and etc set?

My suggestion for regulation on it would be to limit it to volume of the shadow and create a minimum width for the tendrils (a quarter of an inch or something).
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It's not that complex. The jutsu materializes the Shadow. In the past, the materialized shadow has been abused to be a myriad of things, ranging from essentially turning a forest into a living death trap of shadows. I limit the jutsu by stating that A) the only shadow that can be turned into Shadow Tendrils is that of the user and what thy extend to B) that all shadow tendrils in corporeal form can be hurt C) that the tendrils are limited as you said, but also cannot move from their origin point once summoned. They must retreat, then reposition if need be.
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It's not that complex. The jutsu materializes the Shadow. In the past, the materialized shadow has been abused to be a myriad of things, ranging from essentially turning a forest into a living death trap of shadows. I limit the jutsu by stating that A) the only shadow that can be turned into Shadow Tendrils is that of the user and what thy extend to B) that all shadow tendrils in corporeal form can be hurt C) that the tendrils are limited as you said, but also cannot move from their origin point once summoned. They must retreat, then reposition if need be.


Whomever didn't enforce the first two is silly. Nara can only use their shadows. The only advantage they get to being in a shadow themselves is extra range.

So, the takeaway is that the moment the shadow leaves the ground in terms of Shadow Sewing it is locked into that 'base point', which mandates the original extension of the shadow to the base point and can only adjust however many tendrils I make up to the total volume of the shadow? Could I then flatten a shadow tendril back onto the ground (normal Imitation) in lieu of having it retreat?

What I am imagining is I extend my shadow to say 10 feet away and then thrust out three tendrils at an opponent. One directly at them, the other two the sides. If they moved before the shadow could make contact with them, could I have the, lets say 10 foot tendrils 'fall' back to the ground and now have a total distance of 20 feet on my original extension in three locations? Kind of like a Y with an extension on the stem straight through the fork?

I may actually scrap the character largely. Kaku has a sister and I just had an idea for her. She may be more interesting.
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Make her *cough* slutty *cough* interesting.
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Goro's mom was a Nara. But he has only knowledge of the basics of how the shadow techs work. He can't use any of them. Though whether that be due to a lack of training or complete inability, I'm not sure yet. Maybe one day I'll incorporate a low-level shadow jutsu. But I doubt it unless it's for plot purposes.
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I believe I shall make a Chuunin to pair with Innue, as I did the other two Chuunin.
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