[OOC] Fallout: The Long Haul (ALWAYS OPEN TO NEW PLAYERS)

[Dinh AaronMk]

I seem to be doubting whether or not that app might actually work out in the Fallout world.

I know there's crazy shit and all, but I don't think they've gone that far into Iron Man and Deus Ex.

[TheLonePup]

Dinh AaronMk said
I seem to be doubting whether or not that app might actually work out in the Fallout world.I know there's crazy shit and all, but I don't think they've gone that far into Iron Man and Deus Ex.

Well the commonwealth managed to create a completely synthetic human... he could possibly have been a trial run by taking the robo-brain route, creating an android by adapting a human body instead...

[Lucian]

Dinh AaronMk said
I seem to be doubting whether or not that app might actually work out in the Fallout world.I know there's crazy shit and all, but I don't think they've gone that far into Iron Man and Deus Ex.

It's completely plausible in the Falloutverse. As stated above, fully-functioning androids have been made. I assume it'd be even easier to integrate cybernetics into a Ghoul, because of their cellular regeneration factor.

[TheLonePup]

That character does seem a little OP though

[Terminal]

Lucian said
It's completely plausible in the Falloutverse. As stated above, fully-functioning androids have been made. I assume it'd be even easier to integrate cybernetics into a Ghoul, because of their cellular regeneration factor.

Your statement (easier to integrate cybernetics, I.E. grafting into preexisting wetware) presumes that Androids are initially human. They are not. Androids are, as their name indicates, Robots that have been made to mimic Humans. The term you are searching for is Cyborg - and while cybernetic augmentation is not quite as rare as Androids outside of the Commonwealth, it is notably much less advanced than displayed in your character, and even pre-war standards are not quite up to the task of reproducing your setup. While they had gotten quite good at neural integration - as demonstrated with robobrains and available implants - actually full-blown cybernetics such as integrated plasma weapons were beyond their capabilities. They could manage the lower and higher extremes of the modification spectrum - they could give you minor implants, or they could pull your brain out and stick it in a jar. The more advanced the technology used, the higher the chance you'll wind up disembodied.

Your ghoul is something I might expect to see at Big Mountain, full stop. I don't see any Wasteland Surgeons, the Enclave, The Followers or the Apocalypse, or Vault-Tec experiments producing one. In fact, other than Big Mountain, the only actual faction I see that could have been involved in the creation of such a product would be The Institute. If we are being honest, the equipment - armor, weapons, accessories, the combinition ghoul/cyborg kit - is something I would expect to find in a Min/Max arena character profile. Not in the advanced section.

I'm not the GM, so of course my opinion only carries so much weight: But I would not get your hopes up about being accepted unless you somehow manage to pull together a fabulously cohesive and well-thought backstory, and even then it would be iffy. Other characters here had to make notable concessions for lesser problems than the pile of them your character has.

[TheEvanCat]

Yeah, I agree with the Big MT stuff. Maybe if he was toned a bit down and given a back story as an escaped experiment (he could also be fucking batshit insane from his experience there, like everything else from OWB.) Otherwise it's out of place.

[Lucian]

Terminal said
Your statement (easier to integrate cybernetics, I.E. grafting into preexisting wetware) presumes that Androids are initially human. They are not.

I know the difference between an android and a cyborg. I wasn't confusing the two, simply stating that, hypothetically, one would be simpler to make than the other.

Terminal said
And while cybernetic augmentation is not quite as rare as Androids outside of the Commonwealth, it is notably much less advanced than displayed in your character, and even pre-war standards are not quite up to the task of reproducing your setup. While they had gotten quite good at neural integration - as demonstrated with robobrains and available implants - actually full-blown cybernetics such as integrated plasma weapons were beyond their capabilities. They could manage the lower and higher extremes of the modification spectrum - they could give you minor implants, or they could pull your brain out and stick it in a jar. The more advanced the technology used, the higher the chance you'll wind up disembodied.Your ghoul is something I might expect to see at Big Mountain, full stop. I don't see any Wasteland Surgeons, the Enclave, The Followers or the Apocalypse, or Vault-Tec experiments producing one. In fact, other than Big Mountain, the only actual faction I see that could have been involved in the creation of such a product would be The Institute.

If we are being honest, the equipment - armor, weapons, accessories, the combinition ghoul/cyborg kit - is something I would expect to find in a Min/Max arena character profile. Not in the advanced section. I'm not the GM, so of course my opinion only carries so much weight: But I would not get your hopes up about being accepted unless you somehow manage to pull together a fabulously cohesive and well-thought backstory, and even then it would be iffy. Other characters here had to make notable concessions for lesser problems than the pile of them your character has.

Okay, I can understand your skepticism. That said, you're forgetting about things like Cyberdogs, or Attis, or frankly, quite a few other examples of successful cybernetics in the fallout universe.

TheLonePup said
That character does seem a little OP though

Aside from being a Ghoul, he's essentially just a guy with a plasma pistol and a zap glove. He doesn't even have a heavier-tier weapon.

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Regardless, I don't want to join with a character that everyone will hate off-the-bat anyway, so I'll go ahead and change him up.

[Terminal]

Brotherhood of Steel is non-canon, and other prominent examples are unique exceptions (High-level End or Penultimate Bosses) to the rule belonging to high-tech factions (Frank Horrigan, The Lieutenant,) with access to experimental pre-war technology as well as developed military installations.

On Cyberdogs:

The Fallout Wiki said Cyberdogs are rare and creating one is extremely difficult, requiring both a high degree of technical sophistication and generalized breeding and training programs. As such, they have only been produced by technologically advanced organizations such as the pre-War US government, the Enclave and the research team of Big MT.

Your character, until otherwise proven, would not have been a unique exception to the rule akin to a penultimate/end boss with access to pre-war technology and a developed military installation, and they weren't bred in a kennel (presumably). It is just as well that you've decided to change them up, because even with the provided listing of Cyborgs in the Fallout Universe, I do believe my prior statements stand, and it would be difficult to explain the circumstances surrounding the inception of your character.

[TheUnknowable]

Well, he is a ghoul, and they existed before the bombs, so, maybe the US Government grabbed a ghoul and did some sort of experiment on him. Robco used criminals robobrain production, after all. surely the government could use a human if they wanted. That would make him over 200, though, so he'd have to have quite a bit of backstory.

[Dinh AaronMk]

TheUnknowable said
Well, he is a ghoul, and they existed before the bombs, so, maybe the US Government grabbed a ghoul and did some sort of experiment on him. Robco used criminals robobrain production, after all. surely the government could use a human if they wanted. That would make him over 200, though, so he'd have to have quite a bit of backstory.

>Ghouls existing prewar.

wat

And most pre-war cyborgs haven't been large-scale rebuilds of something's body outside of animal experiments, if those are pre-war. The minimum of pre-war cybernetic research operates more on the brain-in-a-jar basis and that they had more a grasp on neural interfacing than anything else. And even if Big Mountain hasn't gotten passed the animal stage with cyber dogs we can probably assume that cybernetics outside there is such an oddity they're best relegated to what Terminal has noted: as being end-game bosses.

And without a bio or anything the character lacks any context which only makes it worse. But on face-value with the abilities and perks it seems like too much.

[Eviledd1984]

Dinh AaronMk said
>Ghouls existing prewar.watAnd most pre-war cyborgs haven't been large-scale rebuilds of something's body outside of animal experiments, if those are pre-war. The minimum of pre-war cybernetic research operates more on the brain-in-a-jar basis and that they had more a grasp on neural interfacing than anything else. And even if Big Mountain hasn't gotten passed the animal stage with cyber dogs we can probably assume that cybernetics outside there is such an oddity they're best relegated to what Terminal has noted: as being end-game bosses.And without a bio or anything the character lacks any context which only makes it worse. But on face-value with the abilities and perks it seems like too much.

Hello how is everyone?

[Eviledd1984]

(Edited)

[Lucian]

Terminal said
Brotherhood of Steel is non-canon, and other prominent examples are unique exceptions (High-level End or Penultimate Bosses) to the rule belonging to high-tech factions (Frank Horrigan, The Lieutenant,) with access to experimental pre-war technology as well as developed military installations. On Cyberdogs: Your character, until otherwise proven, would not have been a unique exception to the rule akin to a penultimate/end boss with access to pre-war technology and a developed military installation, and they weren't bred in a kennel (presumably). It is just as well that you've decided to change them up, because even with the provided listing of Cyborgs in the Fallout Universe, I do believe my prior statements stand, and it would be difficult to explain the circumstances surrounding the inception of your character.

Right. Changing it, so let's just leave it and move on.

Dinh AaronMk said
>Ghouls existing prewar. wat

I think TheUnknowable meant that some ghouls were alive before the bombs, not that they were already ghouls.

[TheUnknowable]

I thought I'd read somewhere that there were a few pre-war ghouls. Could have been a cyborg who's human half was turned into a ghoul, though.

[Lucian]

Okay, I know it's probably a lot to ask, but would somebody mind recapping the important parts so far? 121 pages of high-casual writing is a bit more than I'm willing to read through, though I'd like to appropriately mold my character's biography so that I could start in wherever you guys are, or are heading to. Would somebody mind helping me out?

[Terminal]

Lucian said
Okay, I know it's probably a lot to ask, but would somebody mind recapping the important parts so far? 121 pages of high-casual writing is a bit more than I'm willing to read through, though I'd like to appropriately mold my character's biography so that I could start in wherever you guys are, or are heading to. Would somebody mind helping me out?

People met at the Lucky 38, and are now meeting at the H&H tools factory to head for New Reno where the maglev trolley is waiting for them. We have yet to establish how interested prospects might know to head for New Reno in order to join us, so until then you may want to either wait or go with serendipity.

The only really important thing that happened in those 121 pages is that Sabin peed his pants.

That may sound like I'm glossing over things, but honestly, I'm not. People showed up and chatted in the Lucky 38 for a bit, Mr. House and Tenpenny showed up, questions were asked, people headed to the H&H, end of story. There was plenty of interpersonal subtext, but no plotshaking elements yet. It has, however, been unanimously agreed that Sabin will never live down peeing his pants.

EDIT: In retrospect, the events surrounding Sweet Gin's progression towards meeting with the crew are also probably important if only for the story of how a Commonwealth Android linked up with the team. If you don't want to read the entire 121 pages, you might consider going through and cherrypicking out Aaron's posts.

[Lucian]

Terminal said
People met at the Lucky 38, and are now meeting at the H&H tools factory to head for New Reno where the maglev trolley is waiting for them. We have yet to establish how interested prospects might know to head for New Reno in order to join us, so until then you may want to either wait or go with serendipity.The only really important thing that happened in those 121 pages is that Sabin peed his pants.That may sound like I'm glossing over things, but honestly, I'm not. People showed up and chatted in the Lucky 38 for a bit, Mr. House and Tenpenny showed up, questions were asked, people headed to the H&H, end of story. There was plenty of interpersonal subtext, but no plotshaking elements yet. It has, however, been unanimously agreed that Sabin will never live down peeing his pants.

Thanks for the update. I think I'll probably just finish up the character sheet with my character in New Reno. I can think of a few ways to make that work.

Also, I read the opening interactions between your character and Sabin. The grenade dick-measuring contest was entertaining. May read through the rest of those.

Terminal said
EDIT: In retrospect, the events surrounding Sweet Gin's progression towards meeting with the crew are also probably important if only for the story of how a Commonwealth Android linked up with the team. If you don't want to read the entire 121 pages, you might consider going through and cherrypicking out Aaron's posts.

I was considering doing that merely because of the way they were presented. Probably will, now that you've mentioned it.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Terminal said
.EDIT: In retrospect, the events surrounding Sweet Gin's progression towards meeting with the crew are also probably important if only for the story of how a Commonwealth Android linked up with the team. If you don't want to read the entire 121 pages, you might consider going through and cherrypicking out Aaron's posts.

142 pages and growing*

Working on something now to the tune of:



But now delegated to fighting with feminine wear.

[Eviledd1984]

So how is everyone doing today?

[ArcanicNeon]

A Nuclear Spring. Oh god how cool would that be?

Sure, everything is dry and desilated, but I would think it be cool if there was a state where the bombs turned everything nature-y into something that tries to kill you.