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So I'm still here. I've got a barrage of questions to be answered...

What kind of timeframe does angelic reincarnation happen in? Does the spirit immediately find a new human host or is there a downtime? Is there a difference between the time it takes for a recently killed Archangel to reincarnate and a recently killed standard angel?

If an arch was killed recently and reincarnated, how apparent would it be to the angelic community that the reincarnation was an arch in their previous life?

Would an Archangel be likely to understand the technical aspects of how a weather angels abilities work? (the void rupture thing)

When an Angel remembers a past life, do they remember the whole life in one go or does it come in parts?

How resilient are an Angels wings and how much to they regrow? (for both standard and Arch)

If I've interpreted correctly, remembering all of ones previous lives makes you an archangel yes (even if you were a 'normal' angel before)? What exactly occurs at that point? Do they suddenly regain every aspect of an Archangels power? Is there a physical change at all? Basically how does this work?

Would a weather Angel remembering her way into being an Archangel allow her to carry her void rift with her or would she still be stuck with the fixed one?

Remembering lives gets progressively more difficult as you go back more - is this on a per life basis or more related to the amount of time you go back? (if ones previous life was that of an archangel - aka thousands of years - would it be the same effort as remembering a previous life that was only 100 long spent as a 'normal' angel?)
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Glad to see you, Echo. There you go. :)

1- It’s all up to you – we don’t have (and don’t want to have) a set time-table for that.

2- If an arch was killed recently and reincarnated, how apparent would it be to the angelic community that the reincarnation was an arch in their previous life? – That’s up to you again. When they reincarnate (usually) angels are like parasites attached to a human body – and that body is always entirely or mostly different. However your case can always be special, plus we haven’t had anyone reincarnate in that time-period so we have no set rules.

3- No, they’re unaware of the mechanics and just know that it works. Reason being that the Void is one of those things that transcends human (or otherwise) existence and knowledge and they can only guess how it operates. Very few even know about the rifts and for all they know, Weather angels appear on random.

4- It comes in parts.

5- They are pretty resilient although demons have been known to eating them for their essence. I’d say they’re something akin toooo… I dunno, as tough as teeth but less brittle? If that makes any sense? For your own purposes and since no one else has yet expressed an interest in that question, feel free to suggest.

6- The way the archangel thing works is the following: every angel started off knowing all those various things but as time passed they concentrated on one aspect they liked to do more. They became better at it. They respectively forgot about all their other skills. (This all happens generation after generation and reincarnation after reincarnation.) However, despite their abilities in one aspect increasing, their biology changed (due to them mixing with humans). So in the end they become specialists in one certain area but they’re physically as strong as humans and not much more resilient. SO when they try to remember their past lives their human essence/soul/mind/heart could crash. Like trying to learn so much for an exam that you overwork your brain and it shuts down on you. That’s why it’s also getting harder the further back you go – since there are only so many memories and emotions you can take before they drive you insane and you lose touch of reality.

7- A weather angel will still be stuck to her rift BUT the firther away she moves from being a purely weather angel, the more she can move around.

8- It would be equally hard because in the end you ARE still reliving every second of the past 7000 years.
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As a note, while it is possible for an angel to regain their archangel status via the past life regression, it is extremely difficult for the reasons stated above. If not clear enough, well let me put it like this. Often the angel's more or less human body will crash due to the strain put on its essence by the increasingly pure and potent angelic essence as the angel recalls their past lives. While there can be/are ways around this, it tends to be quite difficult for you to get through the entire 7000 years of the angel's existence and back to archangel status.

In season one, my character, Saella (who was a tamer angel) managed to get through the majority of her past lives because she had the assistance of several demons (which she had tamed and was controlling to varied extents) to keep her mind and essence stable and allow her body to properly adjust as she regressed/regained her memories. It was in no way a painless process....
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I think they don't regain all their powers when they remember Archangel status, they just gain Archangel powers for their specific class, their class just gets an upgade basically. I could be wrong though.
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Rtron said
I they don't regain all their powers when they remember Archangel status, they just gain Archangel powers for their specific class, their class just gets an upgade basically. I could be wrong though.


Well it depends really. Originally they were a mixture of all classes but much weaker than the modern angels. So it depends on how much they have specialised and all that lot. (As in, theoretically, they don't forget having specialised and their present life so they might still be much much better than an Original in one aspect).
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You all talk like insanity and physical instability are bad things... ;)
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I wouldn't say that, but people have a rather... Lax sense of what insanity is. It's not like it's an on/off switch. It's just a thing that, sometimes, offends due to being different, while others it doesn't because it's usual. Like racism. Horrible and unacceptable to others, but the way of life to an equal amount. Generally, when making an "insane" person, just create them with a certain mindset and personality that you would normally find repulsive in real life, and let others decide if you're insane or not. It helps if you happen to enjoy the personality you know that under normal circumstance is unacceptable. Like being a Omnicidal Maniac or Pedophile. It's not like you have any legitimate reason to be a mass murder or would want sexual relationship with children, but to create and become the character who thinks they can and should, and you'd be taking the right step towards being an insane person. Typically when the cops have wrestled you to the ground.
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Well, thats an answer far deeper than I expected...

If it were unequivocally true that properly playing an insane character made the person themself insane, then I would already be in an asylum...
Of course none of the insanities my characters have featured in the past have been to quite the level you use as an example here, but they have, nonetheless, been insanity.

While I cant speak for others, I know that for me RP is a medium to explore (among other things) actions that I would personally never do, or sometimes even find abhorrent in the extreme and actively oppose.

Philisophical discussion aside...

I am now presented with the choice....
Do I play Cerria, or do I play Cerria reincarnate?
Any idea how long the plot will go for on an in-world basis? If it goes long enough I could do both...
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Well we don't usually keep track of the passing of IC time so I honestly couldn't tell you, Echo. :/

As for Cypher, you sound like you'd enjoy a forum I used to go to. It's called INTJ Forum, if you want you can check it out. There's loads food for thought there. :)
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I'm hardly an intellectual for such things Wind, but I appreciate the offer. I just offer random musings when the opportunity presents itself, like any other. Still making my CS by the way, have you see what I've suggested as my character's Spell list? He won't have access to it all of course, but it's an outline of what he'll be capable of. Additionally, I think I'll make him a companion. Would a demon-posses dog with variable shapeshifitng/consuming powers to eligible? Think of him like Alex Mercer from Prototype, but as a dog.
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< INTJ

Well, that doesn't help me all that much...

Honestly, I'm veering towards reincarnated Cerria, for several reasons:
- She'd be less harsh and angry, though more unstable, but overall more likely to get along with people.
- She wouldn't have the vast knowledge of an Archangel, and this is good as it more accurately reflects my own knowledge of the world.
- Less explaining to do about why she won't use other abilities.
- Lets me jump straight into certain aspects like the degredation of her physical form...
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Another INTJ? :D Wai! ^ ^

Ahem. Well, Echo, it's really up to what kind of character you want to play. I like to give players maximum freedom to see what you come up with. :) We can brainstorm all you want if you want connections, ideas or summaries tho.
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I know! We're so rare! Coming across another of us is always a pleasure XD

I was wondering if Cerria could perhaps have been on the council at one point in her life?

Perhaps even among those involved in the events surrounding Luciens daughter but as one who argued against the plan?
Following the fall of heaven she would have agreed with protecting humans but been against the idea of setting up the Council in the way it was (casting them as demigods).
I think she would've left the Council not all that long after the fall of heaven though.

Just a note, the original story is gonig to be quite different - though the end result will not be too dissimilar.
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Sundered Echo said
I know! We're so rare! Coming across another of us is always a pleasure XD

Right? xD My fiance is an INTJ too. :3 Met on that forum mentioned above and don't think there'd be any chance to meet otherwise. He's the only INTJ I know in person.

Alright! So, no problem with her being a part of the council or the semblence of such pre-Great War. Before Heaven fell there were no "modern" angels - just Originals (although some who were killed in the conflicts might have reincarnated on the Surface). As such there was no "Council" though depending on your and Rtron's personal preference, there could have been some hierarchy still. In any case, short after Heaven fell and the angels occupied/settled on the Surface, they formed the Council that united and educated the reincarnated angels. (More info on that can be found on the first site when you click on "To be an Angel" or by asking lol.)
What we know is that when Lucien's daughter was killed (around the end of the War), there was a core organisation that decided to experiment with demonic possession. The ones who survived the Great War without dying were 7 Original angels later to be dubbed Archangels, or the Council. They controlled/educated the new generation and secretly infected them all with the upgraded demonic virus/parasite. Those who opposed them were likely persecuted or petrified/ imprisoned in onyx like Lucien.
So yeah, there's many ways you can go. Even if Cerria disagreed with them and they tried to hunt her, if she was a very powerful Weather angel responsible for an important region likelihood is they couldn't or wouldn't touch her anyway. :)
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You're a lucky woman then! I haven't met any INTJs in person (that I know of), and given the lopsided gender ratio we have among our already small population, I've pretty much given up on the idea of finding an INTJ woman for me irl...
Why must we love to point out flaws so much?

Anyway.

So, people were suggesting it was possible to be an Angel that had survived the fall... This is still possible right?

My current plan is to have Cerria survive the fall and almost to the present day, but have been recently killed and reincarnated. Thus, the current reincarnation would be only one removed from an Archangel (making any remembering both incredibly effective and dangerous).
I also had the picture in mind that the Councils membership was somewhat transient in nature, that while there were a few that were stable members, the membership changed around a bit over the many many years. Is this right?

As it happens, I don't really need her to officially be part of the council though, as there was no official council for the events around Lucien and the later stuff can have her opposing it (politically, not with force) without technically being one of 'the seven.'
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Heres another question.

Has it been the angels duty to protect humans from the moment humans came into being, or did that only start once the angels came to live among humans?
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Okay, well your plans sound pretty organized to me and I see no reason why such a scenario wouldn’t happen. I see now why you were so adamant on knowing all the details lol. ;p

Oh, and yeah, there are a core 7 that are the Archangels. There might have been some other Archangels to survive the War and join the Council but later come to oppose them and cause the C. to petrify them like they did with Lucien. Or, as you suggest, there might be those who disagree but don’t pose a direct thread either, allowing them to live relatively hassle-free. So, anyway, in the end there were the 7 (prior and during to S1) which make up the core of the Council. There are others that are just regular angels (who are called Seraphs) who might or might not have up to 6 wings. Those Seraphs usually have some recollection of some past lives but aren’t all out Archangels yet. And there are the rest of the angels, as during S1 pretty much every angel was serving the Council in one capacity or another. So yeah, there is some fluency around the outer circles of more mortal angels and there’s always the core 7. However by the end of S1 3 or 4 of those were exterminated (thanks Yoshu, Rtron (and myself)) and the rest were trapped by Hazumi/the Essence. So currently there might be up to 4 Archangels alive and they’re either within Hazumi or within the Instruments OR dead/dying (up to Rtron).

Oh, and yeah, it only started when they settled onto the Surface. And some, as Lucien, would even claim they weren't protecting, but controlling them. We're still looking for the truth. ;) BUT, it is a fact that killing humans was a pretty big taboo (unless it was "necessary") so for the most part humans viewed them as their allies.

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Sorry to respond so late, Cypher, it's just I don't have too much time at all recently. It's absolutely alright to have a demonic dog (it would be more like a demon shapeshifter anyways since demons here aren't always humanoid) as long as you find a reason for the demon to want to obey the human rather than eat them (as demons normally do).

As for the reason I haven't revised your suggested spell-list yet, it's because last I checked you said you hadn't addapted it to this universe's main rules of essence and the sorts? I just wanted to make sure you've read up a bit of the OOC and tried to adapt it before I jump to correct you in case you make any mistakes. I just don't have the time to do that, to be honest, and I would like you to be accustomed to the universe before trying to jump into it.

As for acquiring any spells IC, you really don't have to worry about that. As long as you play fair, there's no problem with starting off strong, as that's what all of us are doing anyway. Of course, it's up to you if you want to upgrade your chara IC but I'm just saying you shouldn't worry about that. :)
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