Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

[Fillet]

@Tulpa I don't mean to be offensive by anything I say, I'm just a bit confused as well.

You mention that these worlds are fantasy, and that in these worlds people who are transgender should not be persecuted because it is fantasy. I can understand that.

However, sense these worlds are fantasy couldn't everyone simply be born with the same sex and gender? I understand how many people play characters similar to themselves. However if you were born male but were of female gender (IRL) wouldn't the best representation be to simply play female? Sense, essentially, you are female?

Everything obviously is up to GM decision, but why as a player would you want to play transgender? Isn't the ultimate goal of transgenderism to be the other gender without a problem? (Not discussing lighter forms of transgenderism, like cross-dressing)

The only reason I can see playing as a transgender character is if you believe the transgender experience is different somehow from being cis gendered at a fundamental level. In which case, wouldn't that make it an issue?

@RabidAnubis

What I was trying to get at too. At the same time, I recognise what @Strawberry425 said.

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

I do, however, understand your complaint when it's a blatantly careless labeling for the sake of being different--the people who do that are abusing the identity for special snowflake purposes, but the line isn't particularly clear between a special baby and a genuinely transgender character whose gender identity simply has little effect IC. Since that's the case, perhaps give characters like that the benefit of the doubt since there's no issue to be had, honestly.

This is the same issue I have encountered before, or even read into abroad. It isn't that there's anything wrong with being a transgender character, let alone person - that is not the debate - it is that there are those making it almost a trend. It is not an integrated element of the character, it is a throwaway concept that's being handled poorly by some as an excuse to "be different" when characters are perceived as "too normal".

Benefit of the doubt and the sort yes, but it leaves the wrong impression when there are those who use elements like this as crude character tools, rather than elements of personality. At least when it is becoming a notable, steady increase.

It is not a request to, "Hey, play up elements of your gender 'type'." so much as it is, "You put this down on a character sheet. Incorporate it."

[Billsomething]

Since i am bit of Noob, i haven't really encountered a Trans-RP Character but i have encountered something similar when i was writing up a character for an RP i noticed a character that was refereed to as a Demigirl (not part of the rp my guy was rejected) and since then i have been thinking how much of an actual effect could a character gender have on the story, Because in the end factors like if your guy was a chick (Or was in relationship with a dude) at some point in the past these thing seem very trivial (Unless your in a Romance Focused RP) and i think the only way you could have these thing have any effect on the stories was if these things where the focus or that you would continuously bring up the fact in the RP (which could get on someone nerves)

[January]

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

No, I completely agree on the topic of misappropriation of gender identity. I would never advocate not incorporating your character elements in a meaningful manner one way or another, but, with the simple scale of skilled to unskilled incorporation, a lot of the time I find myself unable to discern whether someone truly intends for a character to be transgender and simply cannot play it well (or the nature of the RP never allows a good moment to work in that aspect in a believable manner--as opposed to shoehorning) or is simply abusing the concept for some ill-conceived notion of idiosyncrasy.

I tend to avoid the problem by living and letting live unless the RP is centered around a topic or approaching a scenario that could make gender identity a major issue, in which case, yes, do call those types of irreverent snowflakes out on their bullshit.

Of course, obvious extremes are obvious and I don't think anyone would disagree that being a blatant special snowflake is a terrible concept to base a character's gender around. I couldn't agree more with your sentiments.

My observation was more focused on the gray areas. My apologies for not making that clear.

[Weird Tales]

I don't think anyone has complained about this yet, but I get somewhat annoyed or uncomfortable when players constantly use abusive fathers as their characters' background. Sorry, but I just feel offended since I'm an advocate for fathers' rights and the fact that abuse is pretty much 50/50 for both parents. So yeah I really wish that stereotype and cliche would be used less.

[Tulpa]

[Roleplayer001]

@Tulpa Firstly, I've never been in an RP with a transgender character so I will admit everything I write is purely hypothetical/conjecture. I seriously doubt that any problem would arise solely because of a trans character. A good roleplayer is a good roleplayer, no matter their gender/sexuality/race/ect.

Isn't the GM essentially god however? So doesn't that mean they can choose the rules? If a GM said no cisgender character I would obey that rule. Similar to no romance ect. Have you ever actually been kicked out because of your character is trans?

You say that being transgender is an important part of your identity, but that implies that you aren't completely the same mentally as someone who was cisgender that you identify as. Is that what I am supposed to understand? So therefore, given the option (IRL) to be born as the same sex and gender you wouldn't take it, sense being transgender in as of itself is your identity? If your answer to that is yes then in a fantasy world ideally you would be trans. But if your answer is no then you would ideally be cis of your gender.

Lastly, do you consider it discriminatory if a character who would be attracted to your gender is not because of your sex? In a perfectly non-discriminitaory fantasy world, what would you want?

Thanks for your patience.

[Sypherkhode822]

This is probably the most positive thing posted on this thread...

BUT

I want to say that I'm proud to be counted as a member of a group that is able to have respectful, intelligent discussions about gender.

Way to go, guis.

[tsukune]

So.

This problem had probably been mentioned somewhere in the previous 55 pages worth of complains, but if my poor memory didn't completely fail me, I think it's mostly about Mary Sues and Gary Stus.

We all hate those kind of characters - we hate them in any media as much as we hate to play with someone who throw them into the RP - but when they overstepped into the region of a God Sue, it's more than just about hating them. This is most prevalent in settings that deal with demigods or superpowers. Quoting from my old status:

Why some people simply can't understand that demigods are called DEMI-gods for a reason? Why do they have to make their demigod OCs more powerful than the Big Three (a.k.a. Zeus, Poseidon and Hades) combined?

EDIT: Adding on, how the hell one puny half-god half-human can have so much power to unseat any of the Olympians? What kind of blasphemy is this?

@tsukune

There's nothing wrong bestowing every power ever existed in the fictional lore on your characters, but turning them into gods in a world where they shouldn't be one in the first place (and even going on rampage to beat the crap out of other players' characters just because yours are so insanely powerful that they need to find convenient punchbags to release that over-excessive power) is self-insertion at its rotten core.

[Tulpa]

[Fillet]

This is probably the most positive thing posted on this thread...

BUT

I want to say that I'm proud to be counted as a member of a group that is able to have respectful, intelligent discussions about gender.

Way to go, guis.

@Sypherkhode822

Spoke too soon, didn't you? :P Heh, smh.

I think the transgender topic can be closed now. I'm glad I brought it up for what some users articulated helped to broaden my views; at the same time it's clearly not a topic that some others can have a civil conversation about without going into personal attacks and twisting the meaning and words of what they're replying to.

Let's move on to something else, or this will not end well.

[Tulpa]

[Fillet]

@Tulpa
No, I'm not offended by what you said in reply to me. Since you are about blunt honesty I shall come out and say that you were exceedingly and unnecessarily rude to @RabidAnubis who heretofore has shown self-awareness about their ignorance on the topic and has been been very respectful in asking his/her questions to you, as you are, apparently, quite a matter-of-fact representative of the trans-community. I find it ironic that the only person who has been throwing heavy insults around and misunderstanding posts is you.

I suggested to be done with the topic as I started it, and I thought it polite to say, as the OP, I'm happy to end it; in meaning I am bowing out of the discussion, and whether or not other people do so is their choice, obviously.

In other words, I don't want you to misunderstand that I cannot comprehend the lives of trans or summat the other of being against the trans community, that as such I cannot have a conversation with you about this topic. But it is that based on your post history and how you've behaved in this thread, you are a massive self-righteous jerk that I feel I cannot have a civil intellectual discussion about a matter that requires a delicate balance of respect and transfer of knowledge.

And btw, I am a part of the LGBT community, so please don't think I'm yet another hetero arsehole who's pitchforking you.

Good luck with your life. :)

(I looked up your post history to ascertain your general tone in text.)

[Tulpa]

[Roleplayer001]

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[Mysaren]

I very much dislike when people try to plan every step of an RP. I'm rping with a person who I have told several times that they don't have to ask for permission every time their character says or does something, but still every time they ask. It breaks the flow so so much. I understand if its an important plot detail, but if our characters are just cuddling, you don't have to ask about stupid shit.

[Engel]

People who say a day they're going to post, and then don't do it. Somehow almost all my partners do it. Some more than others. I rarely say when I'm going to post, because I wouldn't want to annoy someone in the same way if it were to happen that I'm not able to stick to my word. I'd rather be surprised that someone has posted than disappointed that they didn't when they said they would.

[Weird Tales]

has anyone else experienced having a player have their character do a dick move with auto-hitting? So I'm part of this demigod rp and this guy's gun happy character decided that having her gun get frozen by another demigod who was suppose to be an ally was reason enough to simply shoot him in the foot. I personally thought that was very immature and once again showed how auto-hitting outside of DBZ roleplays is a bad idea. It wasn't even specified in the rules about auto-hitting before the character did it

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

When iconic elements of a character's archetype are completely and utterly dropped or whitewashed. The sort of scenario wherein a character is explicitly one thing, by label themselves or said out of character, but in reality none of those assumed or thought of qualities actually exist; they're either tampered with, or so far off from reality that the "label" applied to the type is erroneous. This differs from those imagined by a character who may think one thing when their reality is not that; I mean when it is "explicit fact" among the fiction. My real motion toward this is of staples of fiction, where there can of course be variation of interpretations, but do not for a moment call something an X when it is clearly a Y then debate about how everyone else is wrong.

I would rather you invent your own non-existent silliness and base it off something else than argue that your character "Really is an X, Y or Z." when it has never come up or been relevant to the lore at all or contradicts it.

[AlteredTundra]

For those who haven't already seen it in my latest status, I hate it when I know I want to do a 1x1, but there is either none that interest me or that I just don't know what I want to do(on some level at least).

Being indecisive really does have its ups and downs.