[OOC] From Stardust, To Stardust

[Monkeypants]

Just remember nak, always make nations with story potential rather than being strongest and best. Take ducks iscandarians. Hardly any potential other than being biggest and most powerful. So other than an antagonist, there really wasn't much to do with them. (and I was right as every story involved the iscandarians fighting people) I mean, that goes for all including myself but i just figure its a good thing to voice!

[Keyguyperson]

Just remember nak, always make nations with story potential rather than being strongest and best. Take ducks iscandarians. Hardly any potential other than being biggest and most powerful. So other than an antagonist, there really wasn't much to do with them. (and I was right as every story involved the iscandarians fighting people) I mean, that goes for all including myself but i just figure its a good thing to voice!

@Monkeypants

EXACTLY. THIS. THISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHIS. If I wanted you to make strong nations, this would be in the Arena section.

[Samebito]

I feel you should also downsize that signature while you're shrinking your scaly Potsdam Giants.

[NacNak]

I feel you should also downsize that signature while you're shrinking your scaly Potsdam Giants.

@Samebito

it took me a while, but I finally found a smaller version on my sig, better? =3 also, I have downsized the Zargan's to about 8-9ft and the Sparks to 7ft =3

[Samebito]

Yes, that is much better. And now I shall leave this thread forever.

[NacNak]

Yes, that is much better. And now I shall leave this thread forever.

@Samebito

..... might I inquire as to why you are leaving this thread forever?

[Samebito]

Because I was never involved with it to begin with.

[NacNak]

oooooh.... oh.... right, don't let me stop you =3

[Samebito]

No one can.

[Apollo26]

Well thank you for the guest appearances from Sambo ( or whatever your name is) and ASTA. Im not sure some people really know how devastating some of the weapons they are using are. For example, in one of my posts an Aradite through a block of plastic explosive ( Named c-12, supposed to be an enhanced version of C-4) at one of Duck's Iscandarian walker things. The result was kind of disappointing:

Falacian Asteroid Complex The Mech merely paused for a minute as the explosive detonated, leaving a black scorch mark on the armor. The Mech has been built to withstand a lot more then the plastic explosives used against it.

duck55223

Now an actual block of C-4 can easily destroy most vehicles, anything more then that and your looking at building demolition. Not to be overly critical of you either Nak Nak but no being can survive ( or keep fighting after) getting hit by an AT missile or stepping on a mine, no matter how big it is. Just the kinetic energy of getting hit by a missile in flight would be enough to take off limbs, break bone or lodge itself in your body. The explosion afterward ( given that your soft body would even initate the primer) would be most likely a shaped charge, shooting molten whatever ( copper in RL cases) into whatever it hits. Thats why when Tanks like the infamous M1A2 Abrams gets hit by an RPG there is a small hole where the molten medal had bored into the tank ( Killing everything inside mind you). Even with shields, no matter how good they are, you will still feel every bit of that kinetic energy and be subject to what I like to call " the bulletproof vest effect". If you have ever seen someone take a rifle caliber round while wearing plates then you will notice that he doesn't just stand there and take the round to keep on fighting like a bad ass. You are knocked on your ass or picked up and thrown ( depending on how big the round is and how fast it is going). In this RP we are talking weaponized railgun speeds ( which ASTA can prob quote) but id imagine is pretty damn fast, with rounds that are comparable 50BMGs, 338 Lapua and 20mm shells. The same weaponized railguns in space would launch shells the size of Volkswagens or houses at blinding ( really scary) speeds while being paired with armor piercing, High explosive or even shaped charge warheads. Unless your ship has 20ft or some crazy amount of armor or some crazy shielding ( I still dont agree with the validity of ducks) this shell can literally turn your ship inside out from end to end. This is adding the effect of plasma weapons ( Burn and melt EVERYTHING), Laser based weapons ( burn and melt EVERRRYTHING, unless your ship is made out of mirrors) and other energy based weapons. No point defense turret will be able to defend against these either, you are not shooting a rail gun slug while its moving, the same with a plasma bolt or laser strike. Even torpedoes are a stretch ( Given Septonian torpedoes are magnetically accelerated), Missiles, drones, fighters, and other ( RELATIVELY) slow moving strikes can be targeted and destroyed by CWIS style point defense though. We are truly using some devastating weapons in space and on the ground, I would hope that everyone realizes this ( If and or when) another war/conflict kicks off.

[NacNak]

Not to be overly critical of you either Nak Nak but no being can survive ( or keep fighting after) getting hit by an AT missile or stepping on a mine, no matter how big it is. Just the kinetic energy of getting hit by a missile in flight would be enough to take off limbs, break bone or lodge itself in your body. The explosion afterward ( given that your soft body would even initate the primer) would be most likely a shaped charge, shooting molten whatever ( copper in RL cases) into whatever it hits. Thats why when Tanks like the infamous M1A2 Abrams gets hit by an RPG there is a small hole where the molten medal had bored into the tank ( Killing everything inside mind you). Even with shields, no matter how good they are, you will still feel every bit of that kinetic energy and be subject to what I like to call " the bulletproof vest effect". If you have ever seen someone take a rifle caliber round while wearing plates then you will notice that he doesn't just stand there and take the round to keep on fighting like a bad ass. You are knocked on your ass or picked up and thrown ( depending on how big the round is and how fast it is going). In this RP we are talking weaponized railgun speeds ( which ASTA can prob quote) but id imagine is pretty damn fast, with rounds that are comparable 50BMGs, 338 Lapua and 20mm shells. The same weaponized railguns in space would launch shells the size of Volkswagens or houses at blinding ( really scary) speeds while being paired with armor piercing, High explosive or even shaped charge warheads. Unless your ship has 20ft or some crazy amount of armor or some crazy shielding ( I still dont agree with the validity of ducks) this shell can literally turn your ship inside out from end to end. This is adding the effect of plasma weapons ( Burn and melt EVERYTHING), Laser based weapons ( burn and melt EVERRRYTHING, unless your ship is made out of mirrors) and other energy based weapons. No point defense turret will be able to defend against these either, you are not shooting a rail gun slug while its moving, the same with a plasma bolt or laser strike. Even torpedoes are a stretch ( Given Septonian torpedoes are magnetically accelerated), Missiles, drones, fighters, and other ( RELATIVELY) slow moving strikes can be targeted and destroyed by CWIS style point defense though. We are truly using some devastating weapons in space and on the ground, I would hope that everyone realizes this ( If and or when) another war/conflict kicks off.

@Apollo26

.... I never really thought of that, it makes sense now, I have to be realistic X3 thanks for that =3 *edit right... one question, what about an artificial intelligence inside a robotic body, would that be able to survive/keep fighting if it got hit with an anti tank missile- wait, forget what I typed, it would most liekly be blown to smithereens now that I think about it, it's less than likely that the A.I. would survive let alone be able to keep fighting in it's destroyed body X3

[rextremendum]

NacNack, I have a point of order. You say your fucking giant battleship warrior thing has a really big gun that shoots things real fast. However, I don't think you understand just how big the things are, and how fast they are going. I roughly crunched the numbers, so accuracy may not be the best, but I came out with: 1.0189e^15 tonnes of TNT. Over one PETATONNE OF TNT. In joules that is 4.2629e^24J, or 4 yottajoules. That is a fucking silly amount of energy. That is 10 times the amount of energy present on earth in the form of Uranium 238. It is in the same ballpark as the TOTAL AMOUNT OF SUNLIGHT THAT HITS THE EARTH EACH YEAR. It is 100 times the amount of energy present in all the fossil fuels in the world today. So, to summarize: fucking god fucking damn you have made the most fucking stupid gun ever. You would need 23682777.78 kilograms of antimatter [in anti-hydrogen] per shot [not to mention the equivalent amount of real-hydrogen to react with]. It would fuck ANYTHING in the eye. That gun would destroy planets. Like, atomize them. Forever. What the fuck, why would anyone build that ever. Also, it is fucking impossible to get that much energy, and that much energy is pointless.

[null123]

Apollo, do the Septonians have any laser weapons? At all? Reading over your app again the most advanced thing they seem to have is rail-gun type things.

[NacNak]

NacNack, I have a point of order. You say your f*cking giant battleship warrior thing has a really big gun that shoots things real fast. However, I don't think you understand just how big the things are, and how fast they are going. I roughly crunched the numbers, so accuracy may not be the best, but I came out with: 1.0189e^15 tonnes of TNT. Over one PETATONNE OF TNT. In joules that is 4.2629e^24J, or 4 yottajoules. That is a f*cking silly amount of energy. That is 10 times the amount of energy present on earth in the form of Uranium 238. It is in the same ballpark as the TOTAL AMOUNT OF SUNLIGHT THAT HITS THE EARTH EACH YEAR. It is 100 times the amount of energy present in all the fossil fuels in the world today. So, to summarize: f*cking god f*cking damn you have made the most f*cking stupid gun ever. You would need 23682777.78 kilograms of antimatter [in anti-hydrogen] per shot [not to mention the equivalent amount of real-hydrogen to react with]. It would f*ck ANYTHING in the eye. That gun would destroy planets. Like, atomize them. Forever. What the f*ck, why would anyone build that ever. Also, it is f*cking impossible to get that much energy, and that much energy is pointless.

@rextremendum

yeaaaaaah.... I didn't think things through... also, i'm not good at mathematics like that.... *nervously scratches back on neck* I-I could get rid of how fast the rounds go, to just the normal speed things are shot out of cannons *cowers slightly with a nervous expression*

[rextremendum]

...... I am pondering whether of not I should downsize the Zargans X3 the thought of taking an anti-tank missile to the face doesn't sound too fun now that I think about XD

@NacNak

YOU DON'T FUCKING SAY. Gosh, who would have though in a modern combat setting giant cumbersome beasts incapable of taking cover, slow as balls and not particularly maneuverable, would be shitty at modern combat. I say don't downsize them - let them learn the hard way that ever since like 1850 their shitty fucking giant bodies are entirely worthless at fighting things with modern weapons.,

[Monkeypants]

So... I wont have internet for my laptop in about a week. I'll be posting from my phone, excuse short and otherwise detail lacking ic replies. (hard to write long posts on my phone... ) This is going to hurt me so much.. Blaaah... And, rex, who are you again?

[ASTA]

Now initially, I had legitimate reason to believe that Duck, Wilson and Keyguyperson had 0 sense of scale, but NacNak not only takes the cake, but he has successfully managed to leave the planet with it. I mean, Jesus Christ:

For every planet the R.Z.E colonize, a new one is made to defend it. These massive ships are 27,000 meters long, they have advanced state of the art heavy shielding and thick heavy armor. Their armed with a massive main gun that fires a 45 meter in diameter, 70 meter long rounds at 20% the speed of light, as well as 20 forward facing cannons that all fire a 20 meter in diameter, 40 meter long rounds at 10% the speed of light. 20,000 missile pods, 50,000 600mm point defense turrets, 6,000 rotating cannons (3,000 on each side of the ship) that fire 7 meter in diameter, 13 meter long rounds at 6% the speed of light

[Monkeypants]

Lol, I misread parts of that app. Using 600mm cannons for point defense? American Iowa class battleships only had 408mm main guns. I am imagining the Iowa using those guns to attack incoming aircraft. Excessively funny images in my mind.

[NacNak]

YOU DON'T F*CKING SAY. Gosh, who would have though in a modern combat setting giant cumbersome beasts incapable of taking cover, slow as balls and not particularly maneuverable, would be sh*tty at modern combat. I say don't downsize them - let them learn the hard way that ever since like 1850 their sh*tty f*cking giant bodies are entirely worthless at fighting things with modern weapons.,

@rextremendum

....*lowers head in shame*

Now initially, I had legitimate reason to believe that Duck, Wilson and Keyguyperson had 0 sense of scale, but NacNak not only takes the cake, but he has successfully managed to leave the planet with it. I mean, Jesus Christ:

@ASTA

*tears begin to well up*

[ASTA]

YOU DON'T F*CKING SAY. Gosh, who would have though in a modern combat setting giant cumbersome beasts incapable of taking cover, slow as balls and not particularly maneuverable, would be sh*tty at modern combat. I say don't downsize them - let them learn the hard way that ever since like 1850 their sh*tty f*cking giant bodies are entirely worthless at fighting things with modern weapons.,

@rextremendum

....*lowers head in shame*

Now initially, I had legitimate reason to believe that Duck, Wilson and Keyguyperson had 0 sense of scale, but NacNak not only takes the cake, but he has successfully managed to leave the planet with it. I mean, Jesus Christ:

@ASTA

*tears begin to well up*

@NacNak

Just, tone it down a bit. Take a stern gander at the other player applications for an approximate idea on where the setting sits in terms of power scale.