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duck55223 said


This is freeform, so Fox's app is all good. That's all I'm saying. Here, I made you a nice little PM. Go let off some steam, because seriously guys, you're hissy fits are clogging up the OOC.

http://www.roleplayerguild.com/convos/73744

Have fun.
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Oooooh torture, good luck getting anything out of them
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Oooooh torture, good luck getting anything out of them


That's not my only method of getting information out of them.

They just prefer not to rip apart their captive's minds with dark magic.
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Apollo, they are soldiers, are they not? Perhaps they have some kind of cyanide pill in the guise of teeth or somesuch, for that exact situation.
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I'm sure there is some magic to prevent that too..
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Why kill themselves? and you underestimate the mental toughness of an Septonian special operator. Ill make a post sometime to show you the training they go through.
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You're dealing with magic. That means necromancy, neuromancy, etc., which means they could, because it's magic, go in to someone's mind and manipulate it at will. To kill oneself would be the only way to truly keep the information out of their hands- only willpower could delay neuromancy.
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What even happened I've been so inactive and I have no idea what's going on ;-;
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Duck's Iscandarians turned from Good to Chaos and are now trying to be Draconians and take over everyone who isn't them. Shot up a bunch of Terrans above Nouvelle, shot up a Nouvellian village, took a couple Septonians hostage, nearly started another war with the Valkians. Stuff like that.
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WilsonTurner said
You're dealing with magic. That means necromancy, neuromancy, etc., which means they could, because it's magic, go in to someone's mind and manipulate it at will. To kill oneself would be the only way to truly keep the information out of their hands- only willpower could delay neuromancy.


One might need to have a detailed understanding of the other species thought patterns. Same reason translation magic and the sort isn't always going to work (though translation magic and technobabble is excusable as most people don't want to spend 12 pages playing alien charades with new contacts), having evolved light years apart, the brain is almost certainly structured in an entire different way, the species will have separate instincts, mental disorders, mental triggers. While some basic things will remain the same, cognition is something we don't even understand properly in humans. With aliens, we'd basically be starting from scratch, with just a handful of basic information to go off. Mind reading machines would require recalibration for each species, I don't think magitech would be any different in that regard.

The captured soldiers will likely be insufficient research material to garner a full knowledge. If conventional torture fails, the choice is between
A: throwing magic at them and hope it works and doesn't just outright kill them or do something entirely unexpected. If you're lucky, their mind will be similar enough that if will work regardless.
B: Experimenting on one of the two in an attempt to determine basic structure and thought patterns, then trying to apply what you can gain from one subject to the other and hoping it will work
C: Biding your time and trying to wear them down over the course of many weeks/months in the hopes that they will eventually break or more research material will become available and allow you to gain a more advanced understanding of their minds.

Personally, I'd do C and then experiment on them when you're done. Mind reading tech and magic and all that is brilliant, but may be hampered by limited knowledge. On the other hand, even with limited knowledge there is a long list of basic assumptions you can make about the Septonians and exploit that rather than invade their minds, which certainly carries risk even when done with full knowledge.

Of course, this is all assumption and speculation on my part as to the workings and interactions of magic and the mind, which is really all I can do unless we see it in action
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Ya, but Duck's magic just WORKS, against everyone, remember? If he uses magic to translate his voice, it TRANSLATES, regardless, and if we say we can't hear it as the right language, it's us ignoring him. 'member?
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I'm sure there is some magic to prevent that too..


Congrats, Monkeypants! This post just won you the "Best response to anything ever" award! You receive ten billion Keyguy points!

As for the magical mind reading debate, I've got this magical remedy that will make the whole problem go away. It's fixed my disgustingly inaccurate physics in that beginning that made me die a little on the inside, it's fixed awkward situations, it's even saved the lives of billions of fictional characters! What is this wonderful power? Well, my friends, it's something called a...



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There is not a way to stop someone who has taken cyanide nor does every mind control spell work on everyone. There is more then one for a reason.
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So, hello everyone. I'm not sure if any of you still care, but I apologize for my llong leave of absence.

Basically, to make a long story REALLY short, I had, a sort, of breakdown. I lost my job, had some really nasty stuff happen, and have been living with my parents all this time, avoiding everything I dealt with back home (Including RPG). Not that this was a bad thing, I actually enjoyed this the most, especially this RP (hence why I am only bothering to write this here). You guys are an awesome group to RP with, and I am sorry I just left abruptly. It's only now that I have worked up the courage to come back, and explain this all to you guys.

I'm not looking to rejoin this RP, I just felt you all deserved to hear a reason why I left and potentially messed up a few stories.
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Once again wilson, you underestimate the mental toughness of a Aradite armed forces member. If they were resistant to the translation spell then they could be resistant to other magic as well. Pain and conventional torture will still be effective but thats why my special operators have been trained in anti interrogation techniques, think SERE school.
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It's alright Kyelin, I'm sure many of us didn't know you had to go through all that. If you don't come back it's fine, but all of us wish you good luck and hope you can get back on your feet soon.
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Once again wilson, you underestimate the mental toughness of a Aradite armed forces member. If they were resistant to the translation spell then they could be resistant to other magic as well. Pain and conventional torture will still be effective but thats why my special operators have been trained in anti interrogation techniques, think SERE school.


The translation spell is really not subversive though, dark magic mind domination spells do not care, they rip into the target's mind. And the translation spell was cast by a regular mage, the mind domination spell will be cast by a Archmage with it being amplified by a few gems and with 2 of his subordinates assisting.
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Sounds rough, I feel for you, Ky.
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Kyelin said
So, hello everyone. I'm not sure if any of you still care, but I apologize for my llong leave of absence.Basically, to make a long story REALLY short, I had, a sort, of breakdown. I lost my job, had some really nasty stuff happen, and have been living with my parents all this time, avoiding everything I dealt with back home (Including RPG). Not that this was a bad thing, I actually enjoyed this the most, especially this RP (hence why I am only bothering to write this here). You guys are an awesome group to RP with, and I am sorry I just left abruptly. It's only now that I have worked up the courage to come back, and explain this all to you guys. I'm not looking to rejoin this RP, I just felt you all deserved to hear a reason why I left and potentially messed up a few stories.


How did I not notice this?

I hope things work out better for ya Kyelin. They do say it is darkest before dawn.
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