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I'd recommend taking some morphine before you shank yourself.

History and Culture (and some other things) remain under construction!

An Oathbound Manifold

Technology: The Stoor Manifold has no true technology as it would be properly thought of by most other species. The Stoor exclusively use organic constructs to mimic the utility and function of technological devices used by other factions. Their natural tendency to manipulate genetic structures and the high abundance of heavy elements in their home system have made the Stoor unparalleled in the realm of genetic engineering, and they specialize in using organic constructs to exploit principles of nuclear physics.

Military Structure: The Stoor military is made up of 625 divisions, with 300 for the regular army, 300 for the naval forces, and 25 serving as elite forces. A number of civilian forces control all military wetware, while the Complex acts as military command.
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Want to share with you guys two possible ideas for my bugs and their origins.

One idea is that the bugs are living weapons of a long dead civilization. Of which they were mostly responsible for it's downfall, and they continue to fight a war that has long past. The Second idea is similar to the last, but with a sort of twist, they are living weapons, but not from a civilization, but the planet itself, it's alive and it's on a mad quest to wipe the galaxy clean of Galactic Civilization.

So which one sounds better for the setting?
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Evil planet defence systems seems legit.

I have the Technocracry pretty much ready to post. But have qualms about doing so due to the guild's current lack of multi-spoilers and it being a 10,000 word post.

I guess you'll just have to deal with the great Wall of China text.
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Damnit!

My sheet is shorter!

*Rushes to add an additional 2000 words to culture and history*
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Forgive me if this comes off rudely - I've been wanting to say this after witnessing a lot of the roleplays some of you have participated in sit around for ridiculous amounts of time before starting up, only to fail shortly after that. I am not going to claim I know exactly why that is, but I have a theory.

Your sheets/apps are too detailed.

You sit around for literally weeks sometimes, talking about what your faction has or doesn't have, does or doesn't do, will do or won't do, and then spill literally every detail about said faction into a ridiculously long sheet. All your ideas wasted on a sheet. By the time the RP starts, you have nothing interesting to reveal about your faction. There is no room for story/faction development because you have already told us everything there is to know about your faction. For some of you, it's like the RP is played in OOC in the weeks leading to the actual start of the RP. You drain all your energy and creativity writing an unreasonably long sheet, and debating/arguing amongst yourselves in OOC when you should be saving all of that for IC, so you actually have things to reveal and play through.

I'll go a step further and straight-up say that a lot of the information some of you provide is pointless anyway. Nobody cares what your tanks are like. Or at least no-one should. It's irrelevant unless you are planning to play the RP like a video-game, which you shouldn't be trying to do because all that breeds is conflict. When you try to one-up people, or claim you have this and that, and are able to destroy this and that, in this many shots, all you're going to do is start arguments about why this and that is OP. And then what you get is a massive dick-waving contest that stalls the RP, and often times even kills it.

You shouldn't be playing like it's a video-game. You should be playing like you are trying to write a good story that people are going to want to read. This means being willing to lose, to be outgunned, outsmarted. It means not going into stupid shit nobody cares about, like what your tank is able to withstand, or what its cannons are like. Or, at least don't do it in the sheet. If for whatever reason you have to specify the caliber of the gun, or the thickness of the armor, or the name of the tank, while you are actually writing a post about it, then by all means do it. But otherwise, nobody cares what the Bumbuster Panzer tank is like. When you spend unreasonable amounts of time and energy going into the details of a tank, or every single type of unit in your military, you are not only wasting energy and creativity that could be put towards a good post, but you are also telling us "Hey, look, I am playing this like a game! I don't care about story, all I care about is how cool and powerful my guys are! Look! Look at me wave my dick around!"

Half the time, you don't even have to name tanks and guns, anyway.

This:

"The machine-gun nests roared to life as the tanks began to rumble forth."

Is preferable to this undecipherable mess of meaningless characters:

"The T47 Bumblasters opened up with their AT78 guns just as the Spitfeur-800s began to fly over the battlefield."

The second example leaves the reader wondering what the fuck T47, AT78, and Spitfeur-800s are, whereas the first example is clear in its message. Machine-guns are firing, and tanks are rolling forth. Cool. So if you are going to name your tanks, or whatever, there is no reason to do it in the sheet. You're just making your sheets unbearably long for no reason. Do it passively in posts if you have to.

Your sheets should be to the point. Don't tell us too much to where there is nothing left to add later. Tell us just enough, and then reveal more in IC. That way you have shit to write about when the RP actually starts. If you tell us every goddamn detail about your people's culture in a sheet, there will be no room for you to tell us more about it in IC. And then you all sit around wondering why no one is posting and the RP is dead. The answer being that everyone already wasted their creativity and energy writing their sheets and fighting over who has bigger guns.

A bit of a rant, but I had to say something. And when I say 'you guys' and such, I don't mean all of you. I am talking in general.

EDIT: If you absolutely MUST archive every detail about your faction, do it in a separate post from your main sheet. And add to that post as you go. Not all at once. Add to it after IC posts. So if an IC post talks about culture, add what was talked about in the post into the 'Archive' post later. That way, people who care to read about it, will do it. People who don't can just read the main sheet.
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Pepperm1nts said General observation and opinionated segue which would be awkward to quote in-full.


Please understand that the following response is not intended as an attack. You have made a general observation, and I am responding in a perhaps over-zealous fashion. No ill-will or scorn is intended.

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Forgive me if this comes off rudely - I've been wanting to say this after witnessing a lot of the roleplays some of you have participated in sit around for ridiculous amounts of time before starting up, only to fail shortly after that. I am not going to claim I know exactly why that is, but I have a theory.Your sheets/apps are too detailed.You sit around for literally weeks sometimes, talking about what your faction has or doesn't have, does or doesn't does, will do or won't do, and then spill literally every detail about said faction into a ridiculously long sheet. All your ideas wasted on a sheet. By the time the RP starts, you have nothing interesting to reveal about your faction. There is no room for story/faction development because you have already told us everything there is to know about your faction. For some of you, it's like the RP is played in OOC in the weeks leading to the actual start of the RP. You drain all your energy and creativity writing an unreasonably long sheet, and debating/arguing amongst yourselves in OOC when you should be saving all of that for IC, so you actually have things to reveal and play through.I'll go a step further and straight-up say that a lot of the information some of you provide is pointless anyway. Nobody cares what your tanks are like. Or at least no-one should. It's irrelevant unless you are planning to play the RP like a video-game, which you shouldn't be trying to do because all that breeds is conflict. When you try to one-up people, or claim you have this and that, and are able to destroy this and that, in this many shots, all you're going to do is start arguments about why this and that is OP. And then what you get is a massive dick-waving contest that stalls the RP, and often times even kills it. You shouldn't be playing like it's a video-game. You should be playing like you are trying to write a good story that people are going to want to read. This means being willing to lose, to be outgunned, outsmarted. It means not going into stupid shit nobody cares about, like what your tank is able to withstand, or what its cannons are like. Or, at least don't do it in the sheet. If for whatever reason you have to specify the caliber of the gun, or the thickness of the armor, or the name of the tank, while you are actually writing a post about it, then by all means do it. But otherwise, nobody cares what the Bumbuster Panzer tank is like. When you spend unreasonable amounts of time and energy going into the details of a tank, or every single type of unit in your military, you are not only wasting energy and creativity that could be put towards a good post, but you are also telling us "Hey, look, I am playing this like a game! I don't care about story, all I care about is how cool and powerful my guys are! Look! Look at me wave my dick around!"Half the time, you don't even have to name tanks and guns, anyway. This:"The machine-gun nests roared to life as the tanks began to rumble forth." Is preferable to this undecipherable mess of meaningless characters:"The T47 Bumblasters opened up with their AT78 guns just as the Spitfeur-800s began to fly over the battlefield."The second example leaves the reader wondering what the fuck T47, AT78, and Spitfeur-800s are, whereas the first example is clear in its message. Machine-guns are firing, and tanks are rolling forth. Cool. So if you are going to name your tanks, or whatever, there is no reason to do it in the sheet. You're just making your sheets unbearably long for no reason. Do it passively in posts if you have to.Your sheets should be to the point. Don't tell us too much to where there is nothing left to add later. Tell us just enough, and then reveal more in IC. That way you have shit to write about when the RP actually starts. If you tell us every goddamn detail about your people's culture in a sheet, there will be no room for you to tell us more about it in IC. And then you all sit around wondering why no one is posting and the RP is dead. The answer being that everyone already wasted their creativity and energy writing their sheets and fighting over who has bigger guns.A bit of a rant, but I had to say something. And when I say 'you guys' and such, I don't mean all of you. I am talking in general.EDIT: If you absolutely MUST archive every detail about your faction, do it in a separate post from your main sheet. And add to that post as you go. Not all at once. Add to it after IC posts. So if an IC post talks about culture, add what was talked about in the post into the 'Archive' post later. That way, people who care to read about it, will do it. People who don't can just read the main sheet.


Darkmatter and Terminal don't power play or power creep. I've been in several roleplays with them before.

However, OOC Limbo and OOC Burn Out are two of the main things that persistently slaughters roleplays in this particular section of Mahz's neglected side piece (honorable mentions goes to OOC arguments over power levels, land disputes and when ASTA discovers a critical fault in a RP's premise that he somehow manages to perceive as a threat to his continued existence).

New Sun's Demon Sunrise roleplay, Darkmatter's previous science fiction roleplay (name forgotten) and Serp's Sacrilege War (Apocalyptic Grimdark Fantasy) all come to mind when thinking about the issues that have been impacting the NRP section, though Serp's creation is still ongoing, but previous trends imply that it's on its way out.

Going to be brutally honest here for a moment: This RP isn't going to last more than three weeks tops, so I suggest everyone recycle material to save themselves a lot of lost life hours.
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Forgive me if this comes off rudely - I've been wanting to say this after witnessing a lot of the roleplays some of you have participated in sit around for ridiculous amounts of time before starting up, only to fail shortly after that. I am not going to claim I know exactly why that is, but I have a theory.Your sheets/apps are too detailed.You sit around for literally weeks sometimes, talking about what your faction has or doesn't have, does or doesn't do, will do or won't do, and then spill literally every detail about said faction into a ridiculously long sheet. All your ideas wasted on a sheet. By the time the RP starts, you have nothing interesting to reveal about your faction. There is no room for story/faction development because you have already told us everything there is to know about your faction. For some of you, it's like the RP is played in OOC in the weeks leading to the actual start of the RP. You drain all your energy and creativity writing an unreasonably long sheet, and debating/arguing amongst yourselves in OOC when you should be saving all of that for IC, so you actually have things to reveal and play through.I'll go a step further and straight-up say that a lot of the information some of you provide is pointless anyway. Nobody cares what your tanks are like. Or at least no-one should. It's irrelevant unless you are planning to play the RP like a video-game, which you shouldn't be trying to do because all that breeds is conflict. When you try to one-up people, or claim you have this and that, and are able to destroy this and that, in this many shots, all you're going to do is start arguments about why this and that is OP. And then what you get is a massive dick-waving contest that stalls the RP, and often times even kills it. You shouldn't be playing like it's a video-game. You should be playing like you are trying to write a good story that people are going to want to read. This means being willing to lose, to be outgunned, outsmarted. It means not going into stupid shit nobody cares about, like what your tank is able to withstand, or what its cannons are like. Or, at least don't do it in the sheet. If for whatever reason you have to specify the caliber of the gun, or the thickness of the armor, or the name of the tank, while you are actually writing a post about it, then by all means do it. But otherwise, nobody cares what the Bumbuster Panzer tank is like. When you spend unreasonable amounts of time and energy going into the details of a tank, or every single type of unit in your military, you are not only wasting energy and creativity that could be put towards a good post, but you are also telling us "Hey, look, I am playing this like a game! I don't care about story, all I care about is how cool and powerful my guys are! Look! Look at me wave my dick around!"Half the time, you don't even have to name tanks and guns, anyway. This:"The machine-gun nests roared to life as the tanks began to rumble forth." Is preferable to this undecipherable mess of meaningless characters:"The T47 Bumblasters opened up with their AT78 guns just as the Spitfeur-800s began to fly over the battlefield."The second example leaves the reader wondering what the fuck T47, AT78, and Spitfeur-800s are, whereas the first example is clear in its message. Machine-guns are firing, and tanks are rolling forth. Cool. So if you are going to name your tanks, or whatever, there is no reason to do it in the sheet. You're just making your sheets unbearably long for no reason. Do it passively in posts if you have to.Your sheets should be to the point. Don't tell us too much to where there is nothing left to add later. Tell us just enough, and then reveal more in IC. That way you have shit to write about when the RP actually starts. If you tell us every goddamn detail about your people's culture in a sheet, there will be no room for you to tell us more about it in IC. And then you all sit around wondering why no one is posting and the RP is dead. The answer being that everyone already wasted their creativity and energy writing their sheets and fighting over who has bigger guns.A bit of a rant, but I had to say something. And when I say 'you guys' and such, I don't mean all of you. I am talking in general.EDIT: If you absolutely MUST archive every detail about your faction, do it in a separate post from your main sheet. And add to that post as you go. Not all at once. Add to it after IC posts. So if an IC post talks about culture, add what was talked about in the post into the 'Archive' post later. That way, people who care to read about it, will do it. People who don't can just read the main sheet.


Yes this does come off rudely.

If you think I burn out all my ideas on a sheet then I'd only ever roleplay once.

Yes I enjoy fleshing out my nation. You don't have to read all of it. I personally love reading them.

Now if you'd actually taken the time to read the IC posts from "us people" you'd notice cleverly worked ideas, detailed character development and well written dialogue.

I'm a writer by trade, part time and spend all day coming up with new ideas and being accused of being stale does come as quite an insult.

The real reason these tend to fail is the sheer size and ambition of them mixed with the effort of having to organise a large number of people.

In six years of RPing I've Gmd and participated in dozens of RPs that have been seen to completion.

Now from your perspective I can see what you're saying and how it may seem. You're exaggerating it and laying blame.
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Darkmatter and Terminal don't power play or power creep. I've been in several roleplays with them before. However, and are two of the main things that persistently slaughters roleplays in this particular section of Mahz's neglected side piece (honorable mentions goes to OOC arguments over power levels, land disputes and when ASTA discovers a critical fault in a RP's premise that he somehow manages to perceive as a threat to his continued existence). New Sun's roleplay, Darkmatter's previous science fiction roleplay (name forgotten) and Serp's all come to mind when thinking about the issues that have been impacting the NRP section, though Serp's creation is still ongoing, but previous trends imply that it's on its way out.Going to be brutally honest here for a moment: This RP isn't going to last more than three weeks tops, so I suggest everyone recycle material to save themselves a lot of lost life hours.


I appreciate you sticking up for us.

However I vastly disagree with the negativity. Every RP should be gone into with the utmost optimism that it will succeed and that it will be enjoyable.

@Pepper
Also as for the accusations I power play my last RP I GMd had an intro paragraph damning that exact practice.

So can we all now stop, all this is is the time consuming bickering you were complaining about.

The RP will survive if we all just commit to it and play nice.

I for one will continue to join and start Sci Fi NRPs until we get the formula right.
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I think the underlining point here is that the PoW crew does their roleplaying in a set, predetermined fashion and therefore has specific expectations that don't mesh well with those of certain writers such as Darkmatter and Terminal.
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I think the underlining point here is that the PoW crew does their roleplaying in a set, predetermined fashion and therefore has specific expectations that don't mesh well with those of certain writers such as Darkmatter and Terminal.


Not sure what you mean.

Also, ditto to everything Terminal said who has elaborated more than I.
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EDIT: Chill out, Darkmatter. There is no reason to be responding so hostile-like.

@Terminal: You might still have plenty to write about after posting your sheet. Sure, you may have a bottomless chest of ideas to write about. If so, good on you. But, clearly, that is not the case for everyone else. If you were all full of ideas, your roleplays would last. It may suit you to make lengthy sheets, and you may still have plenty of things to write about after. But let's not set sheets like yours as prime examples of what is to be desired, because clearly that is not working. Let's not perpetuate this endless cycle of roleplays where everyone exhausts their creative energies filling sheets up with numbingly-stupid information, when they could be using that energy, and those ideas, to make good IC posts.

I am speaking based on what I have seen. And that is people talking, dick-waving, and sometimes arguing about things for stupidly long periods. Then, when the roleplay starts, they post once, maybe twice, and the roleplay dies because everyone's already exhausted and out of ideas. Again, you may be an exception. But clearly this is not the case for everyone else. Therefore we shouldn't pretend the length of someone's sheet has any bearing on their skill as a writer. Let's not encourage people to join in and waste their time writing sheets that are 70% fluff anyway. Let's instead encourage people to save their energy and creativity for IC posts.

I find it is preferable for someone to make a lengthy, detailed post in IC, than a mind-numbingly long sheet. The IC is what matters; that is what determines a good writer.

But as I said, I am not targeting anyone. If you took personal offense, then that's on you. I am not criticizing people out of spite. I am only offering some advice. A suggestion, really. That being 'make smaller, to-the-point sheets and save the goods for IC, where it matters.' Maybe then you'll have something to post about.

To clarify, though, the reason you haven't seen me around is because, frankly, I avoid roleplays like the ones I described above. I will not claim to be popular though, anyway. I tend to stay low. And again, I am speaking generally. Some of the people I may be thinking of may not be here, but they are in other roleplays where the same problem persists.

But to each their own.

PS: Let's also not get mad, or consider it "impolite" when someone doesn't read a sheet worthy of a World Wonder classification for its sheer size alone. Not everyone has the time, or interest, to read them, and you can't blame them. It's your job as a writer to interest the reader. Your writing (in-character) should be what makes a reader go "Oh, man.. this is interesting. I want to learn more!". You are failing to do that unless you are making posts that prompt that kind of reaction. And if your posts don't do that, you can't honestly expect someone to care to read a ridiculously-long sheet about something they have already deemed boring.
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@Terminal: You might still have plenty to write about after posting your sheet. Sure, you may have a bottomless chest of ideas to write about. If so, good on you. But, , that is not the case for everyone else. If you were all full of ideas, your roleplays would last. It may suit you to make lengthy sheets, and you may still have plenty of things to write about after. But let's not set sheets like yours as prime examples of what is to be desired, because clearly that is not working. Let's not perpetuate this endless cycle of roleplays where everyone exhausts their creative energies filling sheets up with numbingly-stupid information, when they could be using that energy, and those ideas, to make good IC posts. I am speaking based on what I have seen. And that is people talking, dick-waving, and sometimes arguing about things for stupidly long periods. Then, when the roleplay starts, they post once, maybe twice, and the roleplay dies because everyone's already exhausted and out of ideas. Again, you may be an exception. But clearly this is not the case for everyone else. Therefore we shouldn't pretend the length of someone's sheet has any bearing on their skill as a writer. Let's not encourage people to join in and waste their time writing sheets that are 70% fluff anyway. Let's instead encourage people to save their energy and creativity for IC posts.I find it is preferable for someone to make a lengthy, detailed post in IC, than a mind-numbingly long sheet. The IC is what matters; that is what determines a good writer. But as I said, I am not targeting anyone. If you took personal offense, then that's on you. I am not criticizing people out of spite. I am only offering some advice. A suggestion, really. That being 'make smaller, to-the-point sheets and save the goods for IC, where it matters.' Maybe then you'll have something to post about.To clarify, though, the reason you haven't seen me around is because, frankly, I avoid roleplays like the ones I described above. I will not claim to be popular though, anyway. I tend to stay low. And again, I am speaking generally. Some of the people I may be thinking of may not be here, but they are in other roleplays where the same problem persists. But to each their own.PS: Let's also not get mad, or consider it "impolite" when someone doesn't read a sheet worthy of a World Wonder classification for its sheer size alone. Not everyone has the time, or interest, to read them, and you can't blame them. It's your job as a writer to interest the reader. Your writing (in-character) should be what makes a reader go "Oh, man.. this is interesting. I want to learn more!". You are failing to do that unless you are making posts that prompt that kind of reaction. And if your posts don't do that, you can't honestly expect someone to care to read a ridiculously-long sheet about something they have already deemed boring.


We never said to take our sheets as standard. We enjoy our sheets as is and love reading those of others. You're blubbering about perspective but not even thinking of the other side. We enjoy it. Nobody asked you to write one of equal length and nobody thinks it matters.

It's all at the gm discretion. It's very easy for you to sit back and criticise. Show me the RP you ran for months on end?
We.haven't perfected it yet but here We are trying our hearts out again.

I've already started working on IC posts, and brainstorming character based stories whilst you're here blubbering.
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Not sure what you mean. Also, ditto to everything Terminal said who has elaborated more than I.


Peppermints is a roleplayer that frequents a thread known as 'Precipice of War' (or PoW if you want to get fancy). People in PoW's circle of players place strong emphasis on presenting character development and plot progression as the ideal way of operating a roleplay; extensive technical information, needless descriptions of military hardware and IC competition between characters and/or nations for the sole purpose of 'winning' the roleplay is frowned upon and highly discouraged. Examples of this mindset in action can be seen with the OOC banter between the members of PoW and the other roleplayers of this particular board; Dinh AaronMk's zealot-like devotion to elevating quality writing above the needless technological and martial wankery that is exceptionally prevalent in the NRPs of all genres and sub-genres native to this board immediately comes to mind.

With that said, Peppermint's annoyance at the two NSes we currently have for this roleplay comes as no surprise to me.
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@Darkmatter: Jesus, chill out. I have stated countless times that I am not talking about you specifically. There may be some people here that I may be referring to but, honestly, I am not even sure. I am talking about what is happening to a lot of roleplays lately, generally speaking. I appreciate Terminal's civil response, although I may have sensed (maybe erroneously) a condescending tone. But your responses are just charged-hostility. Chill out.
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