[OOC] Heroes of Beacon - the Next Chapter

[Onarax]

Y'know, flesh over a conductive metal shielding should be more than enough to resist most EMP blasts.

It's not hard to build proper shielding, just kind of expensive.

[Lady Seraphina]

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Frankly I'm taking a lot of liberties based on what we know about Penny, but if they created a machine that can produce Aura, than surely they could have made machines that react and possibly be powered by Aura. Of course that's also assuming Penny is being powered solely by this aura generating machine, though this is where Gren is different because he was once a normal fuanus and can produce his own Aura (Despite most of his fleshy bits mostly being in his head).

Spoilers for those who haven't watched the episode

Which is why an EMP wouldn't work on Gren because if Penny is solely powered by this aura machine, I can see how Pyrhha's magnetism may have effectively "Shut down" Penny's aura, which is what allowed her body to be cut apart. Gren's Aura isn't produced by a machine, but his own "soul", which he still has even if he's missing a large amount of his body.

@Lucius Cypher

We're entering into the hypothetical here but I was under the impression that Penny was powered by something to produce an aura not powered by aura. Which means that she has a separate power source that allows her to produce aura.

Electricity ==> Aura ==> Combat Protection

Not:
Electricity ==> Aura ==> Powers everything else ==> Functional Robot

The logical thing to think is that Penny is powered by a more advanced version of whatever powered the Atlesian Knights which don't have an aura. There is no reason to assume that Penny's aura has any part of how she is powered.

[Lugubrious]

I know everyone is freaking out that Gren has the possibility of being a mobile nuclear disaster, and to be frank, that's kinda the intention of this is discovered IC. I want to see how people would react: Would they see Gren as a threat that needs to be destroyed? Or will they try to help him go for a cleaner, less dangerous alternative? Because I will admit: Gren likes power. He likes the idea that even in his weakest state, he could destroy many people, and many things. The fact that he keeps it a secret is one of the reasons he's seeking Sapphire's position of leadership because he can't be open about how dangerous he can be, like how he was back when he ran with the White Fang. If anyone bothers to try to interact with him and know this side of him, they can chose for themselves if Gren is a dangerous maniac that needs to be put down, or maybe he has issues that need to be addressed and convince him to let go of his power-hungry rage boner.

Hell, the whole reason I even bothered to mention it OoC is to see how people would react to it. And from what it looks like, there is a lot of fear and hatred for what Gren is. For whatever reason. What will you do about it?

@Lucius Cypher

Frankly speaking, aside from trying not to be open about it Gren hasn't really bothered to try to hide the fact he's a Cyborg. He's already a hulking, bulking orc wearing his armor almost all the time, and has rocket boosters coming out of his armor. Now maybe being a walking nuclear reactor would set off more alarms, but I figured Ozpin wouldn't judge someone for who or what they are. But it's not like he's the final word for admittance into Beacon or anything.

I get what you're going for, but beneath the psychological implications I can't unsee a really well thought-out excuse to make the most powerful character in the RP even more ludicrously powerful. If you put the fact that he has a potential nuclear bomb in his chest in his sheet, I would not have approved it. It's just too ludicrous. He wouldn't get into the school. When something is OP and nonsensical, the people who are saying it's OP and nonsensical aren't being intolerant/judging someone for who or what they are. Being a walking warhead is not a maybe setting off alarms thing; it is a definite thing.

@Prince of Seraphs, @Lugubrious, @Lucius Cypher - Alright, well since this is becoming a slight problem. What say you to rewriting Gren's "nuclear reactor' to something akin to a Soul Drive/Solar Furnace/Dust Core?

@harinezumikouken

We don't need to put it to a vote. It's denied almost unanimously. The only voice arguing in favor of this change is Lucius himself. Lucius, I do regard this as a change because it was never told to me privately or put in the CS. Looking it over, the CS doesn't enumerate any lusts for personal power or gratification in the idea of being able to kill anyone around him at any given time, nor anything that implies them. At the very most it's describing a possible unintentional tendency to take charge of a situation. Gren's been exhibiting a pretty powerful violent streak and disregard for morals and others' wellbeing since mission 1. While on the topic your character, Prince brings up a very good point. Exactly what is Gren's weakness? He has the most firepower out of any character in this RP, potentially, as well as state-of-the-art armor, aura defense despite having next to no organic parts in his body, a semblance that is capable of crippling anyone's movement, and numerous other benefits.

Up until recently, we didn't know a great deal about Penny. We still don't know exactly what powers her. Keep in mind, the scientific and technological development as well as funding of an entire kingdom's government went into her creation. How is Gren, who could shrug off everything Penny could dish out and crush her, so immensely powerful? The White Fang's Bullheads couldn't hold a candle to an Atlas carrier. I can't help but feel as if the liberties you are taking are a bit too numerous.

I've been okay with Gren's level of power for a while, given that there's simply got be a strongest character, but strengthening him retroactively is causing klaxons to go off in my head. I hope I'm not the only one who's getting the impression, based on your taking an already powerful character and making him even stronger and saying that people who disagree OOC or IC are being intolerant of 'who he is', that Gren's a bit of a Marty Stu. A well written one, but one nonetheless.

[chukklehed]

can someone let me know when the conversation comes back down to a couple sentences a post? I got dizzy trying to follow this.

[Lucius Cypher]

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We're entering into the hypothetical here but I was under the impression that Penny was powered by something to produce an aura not powered by aura. Which means that she has a separate power source that allows her to produce aura.

Electricity ==> Aura ==> Combat Protection

Not:
Electricity ==> Aura ==> Powers everything else ==> Functional Robot

The logical thing to think is that Penny is powered by a more advanced version of whatever powered the Atlesian Knights which don't have an aura. There is no reason to assume that Penny's aura has any part of how she is powered.

@Prince of Seraphs

Even if that is true, we've already established machinery that reacts to Aura based off of how Ebon controls his R-Types, unless you're going to ask him to change that again so I can't just use a full-body version of what his R-Types work off of.

[Lady Seraphina]

Even if that is true, we've already established machinery that reacts to Aura based off of how Ebon controls his R-Types, unless you're going to ask him to change that again so I can't just use a full-body version of what his R-Types work off of.

@Lucius Cypher

He's physically moving the R-Types with telekinesis, they don't have engines, he's holding them up with his mind. Please don't bring them up again, I've still got problems with him having that kind of arsenal and I don't want to go into it again. Sufficient to say his R-Types aren't powered by his aura, he is physically controlling them.

[Lucius Cypher]

@Lugubrious

Alright, I'll concede. I suppose I let the power go to my own head as well. No more nuclear power, and I'll let EMP's shut down him down to the point where he's extremely sluggish or even immobile if he's not already standing up. As for his latent personality involve his hunger for power, that's something I wanted to develop more in the IC and reveal in his backstory, should anyone ever bother to explore it. I mean, c'mon, he's got essentially a giant dick for a weapon. I kinda figured "Power Fantasy" was sorta written onto his character, tongue-and-cheek as it may be.

[Lady Seraphina]

can someone let me know when the conversation comes back down to a couple sentences a post? I got dizzy trying to follow this.

@chukklehed

I think we're back to a sentence a post. We got through the discussion of Gren's abilities so we should go back to normal.

[chukklehed]

thanks brah

[Lady Seraphina]

au contraire

@Plank Sinatra

Now let's talk about this. What's wrong with Hollywood now a days? They seem bent on taking old classics and remaking them into dime a dozen action flicks that people only go to see cause they have the same title as something they watched as a kid.

[Lugubrious]

@Lugubrious

Alright, I'll concede. I suppose I let the power go to my own head as well. No more nuclear power, and I'll let EMP's shut down him down to the point where he's extremely sluggish or even immobile if he's not already standing up. As for his latent personality involve his hunger for power, that's something I wanted to develop more in the IC and reveal in his backstory, should anyone ever bother to explore it. I mean, c'mon, he's got essentially a giant dick for a weapon. I kinda figured "Power Fantasy" was sorta written onto his character, tongue-and-cheek as it may be.

@Lucius Cypher

I'm very happy that you're lucid about this issue. Thank you for the concessions. I saw that he was meant to be a Power Fantasy sort of character, but his weapon alone is enough to evoke that. It's be more obviously tongue-in-cheek if he behaved with less intensity IC. I'd honestly be more happy if you were to say that he has a very low amount of aura because of his body, the vast majority of which is robotic. He'd become vulnerable to damage pretty quickly, but afterward he still has his armor and beneath it, he is parts after all. Then Gren has an obvious and even unintuitive weakness: the walking tank is vulnerable to burst damage.

@Everyone: I've been to a greater or lesser degree of consciousness been wanting to ask this for some time: how do all of you feel about going back and amending the original character sheet with a History section? I must admit, the sheet I used for this RP I took directly from the last one, which I'm certain didn't have one either. We would all be able to write down our characters' histories if we so chose, and add them to our CSes.

[Plank Sinatra]

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Now let's talk about this. What's wrong with Hollywood now a days? They seem bent on taking old classics and remaking them into dime a dozen action flicks that people only go to see cause they have the same title as something they watched as a kid.

@Prince of Seraphs

They hit Point Break with the bad touch too fam

[Krayzikk]

I wouldn't be averse to adding a History section. I actually assumed its absence was an error when I first went to join, and someone had to explain.

[Lucius Cypher]

But just so we're clear, who has seen the latest episode of RWBY? Cause I just wanna say, as vague as it can be for those who hasn't, I like the direction it's going but goddammit that's just tragic. Like, nothing funny, nothing heart-warming, and while the fight itself was pretty good I feel it kinda takes a distant second compared to what happened shortly after.

Also everyone is about to have yet another Grimm reminder that they live within cages they call walls. I guess the first time it happened didn't seem quite serious enough, so they're doing it right for round two.

[harinezumikouken]

<Snipped quote by Plank Sinatra>

Now let's talk about this. What's wrong with Hollywood now a days? They seem bent on taking old classics and remaking them into dime a dozen action flicks that people only go to see cause they have the same title as something they watched as a kid.

@Prince of Seraphs

The great minds have moved on.

[Lady Seraphina]

@Everyone: I've been to a greater or lesser degree of consciousness been wanting to ask this for some time: how do all of you feel about going back and amending the original character sheet with a History section? I must admit, the sheet I used for this RP I took directly from the last one, which I'm certain didn't have one either. We would all be able to write down our characters' histories if we so chose, and add them to our CSes.

@Lugubrious

I've got one on the Team Doc. If you have no objections to its makeup I'd be happy to post it to the Character Tab.

[Lucius Cypher]

<Snipped quote by Lucius Cypher>
@Everyone: I've been to a greater or lesser degree of consciousness been wanting to ask this for some time: how do all of you feel about going back and amending the original character sheet with a History section? I must admit, the sheet I used for this RP I took directly from the last one, which I'm certain didn't have one either. We would all be able to write down our characters' histories if we so chose, and add them to our CSes.

@Lugubrious

I wouldn't mind, but don't expect me to get it done anytime soon. I have a rough outline of Gren's life written somewhere, but most of the details are still in my head.

[harinezumikouken]

<Snipped quote by Lucius Cypher>

I'm very happy that you're lucid about this issue. Thank you for the concessions. I saw that he was meant to be a Power Fantasy sort of character, but his weapon alone is enough to evoke that. It's be more obviously tongue-in-cheek if he behaved with less intensity IC. I'd honestly be more happy if you were to say that he has a very low amount of aura because of his body, the vast majority of which is robotic. He'd become vulnerable to damage pretty quickly, but afterward he still has his armor and beneath it, he is parts after all. Then Gren has an obvious and even unintuitive weakness: the walking tank is vulnerable to burst damage.

@Everyone: I've been to a greater or lesser degree of consciousness been wanting to ask this for some time: how do all of you feel about going back and amending the original character sheet with a History section? I must admit, the sheet I used for this RP I took directly from the last one, which I'm certain didn't have one either. We would all be able to write down our characters' histories if we so chose, and add them to our CSes.

@Lugubrious

No objection but there wouldn't really be too much for Shiro's 'history'.

[MULTI_MEDIA_MAN]

I'm actually going to be dumping a part of Oswald's history when the next break from school stuff comes up.

It's gonna be a real fucking bummer all the way through.

[Lugubrious]

But just so we're clear, who has seen the latest episode of RWBY? Cause I just wanna say, as vague as it can be for those who hasn't, I like the direction it's going but goddammit that's just tragic. Like, nothing funny, nothing heart-warming, and while the fight itself was pretty good I feel it kinda takes a distant second compared to what happened shortly after.

Also everyone is about to have yet another Grimm reminder that they live within cages they call walls. I guess the first time it happened didn't seem quite serious enough, so they're doing it right for round two.

@Lucius Cypher

I agree with you heartily in that front. For a show that lost its two best animators, the fight was spot-on. I particularly liked

Hider

the moment when Penny rocketed forward propelled by her thruster swords to attack. There was an awesome sound effect too

If you ask me, the

Hider

really dark and tragic

portions of this season were a good way to go. It's good writing, it's intense, and it's gripping. No anime or cartoon has ever held my heart so powerfully as did Episode 9 of RWBY. Others may have had their moments, but this was when I was immersed.