RWBY

[Foster]

True, but I liked when Ren did. Especially when he broke the 4th wall. I find it to be a metaphor: Ren loses his voice because a great man is silent forever.

@Otaku95

That or he gets kidnapped, or takes a football to the groin so they can attempt to explain a new voice-actor. Or he gets hurt, badly and gets rendered mostly-mute, Nora will have to adjust.

[Flamelord]

In other things related to the show, I've revised my opinion on what the Black Queen virus that Cinder uploaded does. It doesn't hijack the combat robots. Instead, its purpose is to crash the communications network, so no one can call for help (For example, at the Breach, which Cinder said was a few weeks early. Presumably, when they moved it would have activated, and Vale would be SOL because they couldn't easily communicate with each other)

[Foster]

Why can't it do both, Flamelord?

[Flamelord]

Why can't it do both, Flamelord?

@Foster

Well, it could, but I made the assumption that Ironwood isn't coordinating his robots over a public communications network. And I'm not sure the kind of AI they have can be subverted by an outside vector wirelessly, unless it just involves switching everyone's IFF tags so the White Fang look like allies and Vale like hostiles. Which would, again, require access to their computer systems, and I don't believe that military communications are handled by those towers. Just public ones.

[Foster]

You raise a valid point, however I'm sure Mr Torchwick will make the current lack of remote-access to the robots a moot _{yet still quite valid} point.

[Flamelord]

You raise a valid point, however now I'm sure Mr Torchwick will make the current lack of access to the robots a moot (yet still quite valid) point.

@Foster

Oh, I don't doubt it. I definitely got the 'I have a plan' vibe from him, which would lead me to assume that some time between the Breach and his getting caught, he got in contact with Cinder, who was rightfully angry about this, but quickly developed a new plan to deal with the altered circumstances. Otherwise, I fully expect that the Breach would have taken place during the height of the Vytal Festival, with all the chaos that that would have brought with it.

[Foster]

Unless they planned to 'delay' or detain pretty much all the senior students out on missions, wouldn't waiting until the Vytal Festival also mean *ALL* the students would have been there at the time? Even after their revised plan is completed, I don't think we'll fully understand the original plan at all.

[Flamelord]

Yes, but it;s also a major festival. Lots of civilians from around Remnant, people's guard is lowered because they're busy with the festival itself. Think of how much of a propaganda coup it would be to have a major infiltration of the city by Grimm, during what is one of the biggest festivals of the year, in the full view of the world. What does that say about the Vale government and it's ability to defend itself as well as protect it's citizens? Basically, even if they had been defeated, it would have been a massive blow to the reputation of Beacon (For a real life example, look at the Sochi Olympics and the Volgograd Bombings), and it gives them legitimacy and public awareness. And fear.

[Foster]

Yes, but it;s also a major festival. Lots of civilians from around Remnant, people's guard is lowered because they're busy with the festival itself. Think of how much of a propaganda coup it would be to have a major infiltration of the city by Grimm, during what is one of the biggest festivals of the year, in the full view of the world. What does that say about the Vale government and it's ability to defend itself as well as protect it's citizens? Basically, even if they had been defeated, it would have been a massive blow to the reputation of Beacon (For a real life example, look at the Sochi Olympics and the Volgograd Bombings), and it gives them legitimacy and public awareness. And fear.

@Flamelord

I was thinking more like the Iranian Embassy raid or flight 8969, since the tunnel ended literally at the doorstep of what amounted to whatever training facility the SAS uses, rather than a certain heavy-handed regular army garrison.

[Flamelord]

Yes, but it;s also a major festival. Lots of civilians from around Remnant, people's guard is lowered because they're busy with the festival itself. Think of how much of a propaganda coup it would be to have a major infiltration of the city by Grimm, during what is one of the biggest festivals of the year, in the full view of the world. What does that say about the Vale government and it's ability to defend itself as well as protect it's citizens? Basically, even if they had been defeated, it would have been a massive blow to the reputation of Beacon (For a real life example, look at the Sochi Olympics and the Volgograd Bombings), and it gives them legitimacy and public awareness. And fear.

@Flamelord

I was thinking more like the Iranian Embassy raid or flight 8969, since the tunnel ended literally at the doorstep of what amounted to whatever training facility the SAS uses, rather than a certain heavy-handed regular army garrison.

@Foster

Well, it's not like a bunch of Grimm getting slaughtered is a blow to the cause anyway. It's just a message to Vale that 'hey, we're something you have to worry about'. Besides, add in he White Fang causing havoc, perhaps with those mechs, at the same time, and containing it becomes a lot harder. And if it isn't immediately and efficient handled, even winning can't really be seen as a victory. Is it bad that we haven't even seen the actual Vale army at this point? All we've seen thus far are Ironwood's forces, and they're from Atlas, not Vale.

[Foster]

From what I understand, the Huntersses ARE Vale's military.

[Jurassic Weeb]

Well the blanket term is "Hunter", encompassing Huntsmen and Huntresses. Although that would be the dream of every teenage guy and Roy Mustang. XD

[Flamelord]

From what I understand, the Huntersses ARE Vale's military.

@Foster

that seems very irresponsible, unless there's some sort of school after Beacon that is essentially military college. While we've seen them training people to fight, Beacon has no indication that their purpose is to create an army. On a side issue, I suppose people wouldn't know any good fics that actually explore religion in Remnant? I mean, it being confirmed that Aura comes from the soul, and the Grimm have no Aura because they are literally soulless beasts has to be pretty significant from a theological perspective (Ignoring the Moon. Without evidence to the contrary I'm going to assume that that happened recently enough that any theological impact from that hasn't propagated into the major religions)

[Foster]

The Hunters are pretty much a hyper-competent paramilitary organization led by an incredibly genre-savvy leader.

[Flamelord]

The Hunters are pretty much a hyper-competent paramilitary organization led by an incredibly genre-savvy leader.

@Foster

I dunno, I've yet to see Ozpin do anything that counts as 'incredibly genre savvy'. I mean, we could draw attention that not only did they let the terrorist in (which I can excuse), and the guy who faked his transcripts (less excusable, they should have had experience with that sort of thing), they also let Cinder, Emerald, and Mercury into the school, in spite of Goodwitch knowing about Cinder, with the three villains even having to adopt a disguise beyond some other schools uniform. Not seeing the genre savvy here.