[OOC] An Age of Empires [Low Fantasy - Advanced]

[DancingEagle]

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Yes, seeing as Ryuku has a big navy while Terus has 10,000 city guards and 8,000 border guards, I doubt banditry or piracy would be an issue. What could be problematic (or just more stops along the trade route of fun, metal, happiness, sugar, and technology) are Vathcras and Oxfreight. Both have good navies. Any thoughts, @Sini and @DancingEagle ?

Anyways, I'll see about adding a paragraph to my sheet mentioning the trade. How do you feel about this for starters?

"Within the past century, the Dominion of Terus has also established contact with the distant Ryuku Empire. The Azracs were impressed by these foreigners' advanced technology and wealth, while the Ryukuans greatly desired many of Azraca's resources. Naturally, a trade route soon developed. The Terusites were glad to take Ryukuan gold in exchange for Azrac's famed leathers and the iron that they would have otherwise discarded in favor of bronze. Other miscellaneous goods such as sugar, exotic foods, and pearls are shipped by the boat as well, but perhaps the most important trade good for the Terusites is knowledge. The Terus dynasty was the first to begin hiring Ryukuan scholars and artisans to share their secrets, but now the other major lords are beginning to take suit. Slowly, this trade route is helping to modernize Azraca and better equip the Ryukuan army."

I see that some of your troops use leather armor. Incidentally, I have leather as a unique resource so I figured I'd throw that into the mix of trade goods as well.

@Cyclone

DancingEagle Wakes up from his sleep. As his eyes come alive, he understands his situation. "Wha- What- Who are-", but then the reality of the situation sinks in. "Oh, yeah. Hi. Sorry about that." He says, enthusiastically."

Bad self-insert RP joke aside, yeah, I know I haven't been very active on the OOC, or at all lately in here. Had some tests to prep to, as well as some real-life events and occurrences.
After catching up with some of the many discussions here on OOC speak I have to say the "we hire pirates, so trade under our banner" idea is pretty intriguing and can lead to some interesting moves from Oxfreight and Ryuku, but also to some annoyances with trade and the navy, with them having to constantly spend resources on escorting pirate ships. I can imagine Yuard, the arrogant Great Leader of Oxfreight, going so far as to battle with Ryuku to the death if diplomacy won't work. So, you know, up to you.

[ClocktowerEchos]

@DancingEagle The Ryukyu Empire is willing to take you on any day :P
Also, Ryukyu has the resources to constantly fund said pirates and bandits, even in peace.

That said, seeing as how similar Ryukyu and Oxfreight is in technology and relative power (Oxfreight has a larger navy but Ryuykyu has a larger army), should the two nations do go to war, the entirety of the eastern lands of Tannis would be medieval nuked to hell. That said, it could also result in a sort of "world war" as the nations that have close ties to one nation might fight on the side of that nation against the opposite nation.

But in the mean time, let us have tea and discuss possible trades :3

[Sini]

@DancingEagle The Ryukyu Empire is willing to take you on any day :P
Also, Ryukyu has the resources to constantly fund said pirates and bandits, even in peace.

That said, seeing as how similar Ryukyu and Oxfreight is in technology and relative power (Oxfreight has a larger navy but Ryuykyu has a larger army), should the two nations do go to war, the entirety of the eastern lands of Tannis would be medieval nuked to hell. That said, it could also result in a sort of "world war" as the nations that have close ties to one nation might fight on the side of that nation against the opposite nation.

But in the mean time, let us have tea and discuss possible trades :3

@ClocktowerEchos

I'll likely move you around a bit on the map. But you'll be in your generally desired location.

[ClocktowerEchos]

Fine by me, the only thing that I really need in my territory is coast line and that little island to the north as that is the Rykyu Isle, the homeland of my Empire :p

[DancingEagle]

@DancingEagle The Ryukyu Empire is willing to take you on any day :P
Also, Ryukyu has the resources to constantly fund said pirates and bandits, even in peace.

That said, seeing as how similar Ryukyu and Oxfreight is in technology and relative power (Oxfreight has a larger navy but Ryuykyu has a larger army), should the two nations do go to war, the entirety of the eastern lands of Tannis would be medieval nuked to hell. That said, it could also result in a sort of "world war" as the nations that have close ties to one nation might fight on the side of that nation against the opposite nation.

But in the mean time, let us have tea and discuss possible trades :3

@ClocktowerEchos

If the only way to trade with Ryuykyu is to put their flag on Oxfreight's ships or some other arrangement, Yuard will probably do so, as it's substantially less costly and risky than escorts or, you know, war. Although, if we must battle, I do like the idea of something like World War One, where the world was a clusterf--k of alliances and promises, and the events for the 1910s slowly unfolded into an all-out war.

[ClocktowerEchos]

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If the only way to trade with Ryuykyu is to put their flag on Oxfreight's ships or some other arrangement, Yuard will probably do so, as it's substantially less costly and risky than escorts or, you know, war. Although, if we must battle, I do like the idea of something like World War One, where the world was a clusterf--k of alliances and promises, and the events for the 1910s slowly unfolded into an all-out war.

@DancingEagle

How it works is that they have to fly the Ryukyuan flag under their own flag and will have to carry seals of approval on board. The pirates and bandits are will informed.

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As for a war between Ryukyu and Oxfreight, its probably in the best interest for everyone that it doesn't happen, especially with alliances. Both Ryukyu and Oxfreight have well-trained, highly motivated and well armed troops plus lots of backup man power. The war would destroy lands of both nations and the lands between them, plus thousands of civilian causalities. It will probably end up with one side exhausting all their resources or the creation of a new super weapon (like that greek fire/napalm stuff @Sini was talking about).

Even after the war, the side who "won" will still not be in any position to be superpower like they currently have the capacity to be. Some other nation(s) will have to pick up the title of "super power" and the arms races that ensues for the greek napalm will result in a spy and information war. And that has the possibility of throwing Tannis into another war, this time with greek napalm.

So in the name of not destroying the land before we find new lands to colonize, I suggest people to join Ryukyu for tea ceremony and trade agreements :P

[Cyclone]

I suspect sponsoring pirates that raid other nations' ships (and probably coastal villages as well, as that was common in real life) will cause problems with both Vathcras and Oxfreight, maybe even Terus or Drastonia if the pirates go that far. With your navy probably only able to hold off at best one angry country, having fleets of pirates pillage everybody will probably lead to Ryuku's island being blockaded and starved out.

It's probably a better idea to have the pirates only attack your enemies, not neutral parties.

[OneEyedChurro]

Hate to be that guy, but if what Cyclone said is the case, privateer might be a better word for what they are. "Pirate" sort of implies a faction neutrality.

Also, anyone else wanna do anything/ say how their faction feels about Arman-Arhus? I've debated getting a sort of Foreign Policy section on my nation sheet.

[Sini]

Vathcras will very likely raid, rape and pillage (not necessarily in that order) indiscriminately. It's what it does, mostly.

[ClocktowerEchos]

@Cyclone The Ryukyu Empire tells them to attack their enemies only, pirates aren't always the best at listening however. But there have been efforts to make more pirates like the Navy's Black Wings ofCold, a specialized raiding/privateering fleet. Again, Pirate Kings aren't the most understanding of folk...
No matter, they will see the Empire's reason wether by pen and paper or a spear in their eye.

@OneEyedChurro Like Cyclone's Terus Domain, the Empire sees the A-A as backwards and failing economically. But its because that they also see it as a prime investment as they could sell their advanced tech and send them advisors to get them up to technological speed, making them money. And then as a potential market for trade and sees their vast food stores as a potential solution to the seasonal food shortages the Empire often suffers and a stable place to get the ore they need from to help them get their army in more metal than stone and leather. So the Empire seems mean to them on paper, but sees them much higher in practice.

[gowia]

Just got a PM about this...thought I had done but...I am pulling out. RP looked great and a lot of fun but it is very advanced and recent test results at college weren't great so I can't commit to this as I should. Perhaps if this is still going in the future I may inquire to rejoin. Cheers, and apologies.

[DancingEagle]

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How it works is that they have to fly the Ryukyuan flag under their own flag and will have to carry seals of approval on board. The pirates and bandits are will informed.

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As for a war between Ryukyu and Oxfreight, its probably in the best interest for everyone that it doesn't happen, especially with alliances. Both Ryukyu and Oxfreight have well-trained, highly motivated and well armed troops plus lots of backup man power. The war would destroy lands of both nations and the lands between them, plus thousands of civilian causalities. It will probably end up with one side exhausting all their resources or the creation of a new super weapon (like that greek fire/napalm stuff @Sini was talking about).

Even after the war, the side who "won" will still not be in any position to be superpower like they currently have the capacity to be. Some other nation(s) will have to pick up the title of "super power" and the arms races that ensues for the greek napalm will result in a spy and information war. And that has the possibility of throwing Tannis into another war, this time with greek napalm.

So in the name of not destroying the land before we find new lands to colonize, I suggest people to join Ryukyu for tea ceremony and trade agreements :P

@ClocktowerEchos

As I had stated before, it is beneficial for Oxfrieght, and, by extension, everyone on the island to avoid war. Conflict's exciting, sure, but I suspect it'll get real old real fast, both narrative-wise and RP-wise. I am, however, advocating for tensions and small conflicts between nations to keep the game more exciting (e.g. Israeli-Palestinian Conflict).

Assuming the low-risk, low-cost arrangement of "all trade ships to your nation must have your nation's flag" will be kept that way, I don't see any problems with anyone around here.

Besides, why drag ourselves to war? Should your trade agreement require more demands that Oxfrieght (or any other nation, for that matter) refuse to accept, it'll cause an embargo on your nation, as no one would want to trade with a nation that has many demands, when other nations have less, if any, demands for trade*.

* This argument is somewhat flawed, as we don't know each other's trade policies yet since the game hasn't even started, and we're just passing ideas.

[Song Book]

Does anyone like my idea for a Empire? its not fully fleshed out yet. Also i can't find a good place on the map so if anyone knows a good sized empire of someone who has dropped out. Let me know.

Ill happily take the land from gowla. His is the Drastonian Empire. Since he's backing out, there is no reason to keep the land right?

[Sini]

Does anyone like my idea for a Empire? its not fully fleshed out yet. Also i can't find a good place on the map so if anyone knows a good sized empire of someone who has dropped out. Let me know.

Ill happily take the land from gowla. His is the Drastonian Empire. Since he's backing out, there is no reason to keep the land right?

@Song Book

I ASSIGN THE LANDS HERE! Respect my authority!

In all seriousness though. I think to keep Drastonia around just for a bit, and place you in an as-of-yet empty spot :) There is still loads of space.

So far your nation is looking well, I will go investigate more closely tomorrow :).

[ClocktowerEchos]

@DancingEagle I can't imagine the trade policy will be too different between nations, we're all too close to each other to be isolationists and we're also all on the same island.

[Sini]

all on the same island.

@ClocktowerEchos

Continent*

There is a massive difference :P

[Song Book]

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I ASSIGN THE LANDS HERE! Respect my authority!

In all seriousness though. I think to keep Drastonia around just for a bit, and place you in an as-of-yet empty spot :) There is still loads of space.

So far your nation is looking well, I will go investigate more closely tomorrow :).

@Sini

Ok, Well to look for a place to put my empire. Fun.

[Sini]

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Ok, Well to look for a place to put my empire. Fun.

@Song Book

Do I smell sarcasm? :o

[ClocktowerEchos]

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Do I smell sarcasm? :o

@Sini

No, you're smelling a nice cup of shut-the-fuck-up xP

[Song Book]

@Sini
Just a bit of it, I think theres some in my milk.