[OOC] End of Days RP (EoD - Mass Effect/Evangelion Inspired)

[Gnar The Missing Link]

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I apologize for the assumption, but given that our characters are put in command of massive, probably unbelievably expensive war machines, I figured a pair of swords were of little consequence. Despite being fancy and high-tech, they're still just swords. An adage about bringing a knife to a gunfight comes to mind. The staff obviously carry weapons (and discharge them openly), and I doubted ornamental weapons would raise much alarm.

And are our characters not allowed to do anything dangerous? Or are we immediately neutralized to being unable to direct the plot?

@Dead Cruiser

You forget that your characters are Cadets, rookies despite their talent without any real power.

Ever play Muv-Luv? Seen Gundam? Evangelion?

Just because they can pilot expensive and unbelievably powerful war machines, doesn't mean that they have any actual power outside of combat unless they have actually earned it. So far, the only one who has more power over the others among the Cadets is Sigma because she is Squad Leader- and her orders were no more trouble. After seeing Sigma's state, it's safe to assume that Ritsu wanted to give her a hand by doing things from a calm perspective.

Also, I never said you couldn't do anything dangerous, although there are ways to go about it without having or waving about weapons... even if they so happen to be 'ornamental'.

[Tancuras]

GM is putting us in a universe where children are given a huge responsibility and power, despite inexperience. Sure, it's not really rational, but I would like to think this is about fun rather than rationality.

Besides, if this is anything like the aforementioned anime, we'll get our chance at dictating things soon enough...just gotta bear through the intro sequence. Change your perspective on everything that is upsetting you as a person to be upsetting to your character, and use it to fuel your story.

[Dead Cruiser]

Ever play Muv-Luv? Seen Gundam? Evangelion?

@Gnar The Missing Link

Just something I really want to point out: though I can't speak for Muv-Luv (having only cursory knowledge of it), the commanders of the Framewerk project bear nearly no resemblance to any of these alleged inspirations. Gendo Ikari was not an openly sadistic megalomaniac, and both suffered and tolerated a great deal of sedition against him. Noa Bright did not have Amuro repeatedly shot, then tortured for stealing the Gundam. This is likely because they are balanced and realistic characters with reasonable goals and actions.

Moving on...

Also, I never said you couldn't do anything dangerous, although there are ways to go about it without having or waving about weapons... even if they so happen to be 'ornamental'.

@Gnar The Missing Link

Regardless of the specific context of this, the impression I'm getting so far is that our characters are free to do as we like, as long as what they do is exactly what you (not your characters, you) want them to do. And if we continue to resist railroading, we will be subjected to godmoding to keep us in line. Explain the circumstances however you wish, but this is the impression so far gained of this RP by myself as a player.

[Gnar The Missing Link]

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Regardless of the specific context of this, the impression I'm getting so far is that our characters are free to do as we like, as long as what they do is exactly what you (not your characters, you) want them to do. And if we continue to resist railroading, we will be subjected to godmoding to keep us in line. Explain the circumstances however you wish, but this is the impression so far gained of this RP by myself as a player.

@Dead Cruiser

I finally, finally understand what it feels like to be a teacher when they take someone's toy sword away and they begin crying like a baby for no real reason in class when it was clear that they were doing something wrong, like jabbing it at someone.

Dead Cruiser, you are arguing and are trying to pick a fight with me when you are in the wrong here for having something on a character that you shouldn't have had in the first place.

One- there is absolutely no way there would have been able to have had a sword of all things, especially on a Cadet. There is no way.
Two- You didn't run anything by me, you didn't even bother to throw a pm or any kind of hint whatsoever to me that there was weapons on Iskander.
And Three- 'Railroading' would be me wanting to me forcing every single thing to go my way, and so far I can guarantee you that a lot of things hasn't so don't be so blind and ignorant, and do show a little more respect not only to me, but to your fellow players as well.

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Just something I really want to point out: though I can't speak for Muv-Luv (having only cursory knowledge of it), the commanders of the Framewerk project bear nearly no resemblance to any of these alleged inspirations. Gendo Ikari was not an openly sadistic megalomaniac, and both suffered and tolerated a great deal of sedition against him. Noa Bright did not have Amuro repeatedly shot, then tortured for stealing the Gundam. This is likely because they are balanced and realistic characters with reasonable goals and actions.

@Dead Cruiser

You also completely missed the point here... that I really think you should go back and reread what I said after that. Never once did I mention anything about the commanders- I was referring to how the cadets have a lack of power and are not supposed to have any kind of authority.

Honestly? Since I haven't really had no other complaints except from you, and from what I'm getting as the GM of this RP, it just seems like you're upset that I took away your swords, and that was your fault from the beginning and that this argument is just wanting to spiral down from there.

Edit: Sorry, but you wont be getting your swords back for the reasons I said above.

[Dead Cruiser]

I finally, finally understand what it feels like to be a teacher when they take someone's toy sword away and they begin crying like a baby for no real reason in class when it was clear that they were doing something wrong, like jabbing it at someone.

@Gnar The Missing Link

Just to start off, the ad hominem was really unnecessary. Let's try to stay civil, shall we?

One- there is absolutely no way there would have been able to have had a sword of all things, especially on a Cadet. There is no way.
Two- You didn't run anything by me, you didn't even bother to throw a pm or any kind of hint whatsoever to me that there was weapons on Iskander.

@Gnar The Missing Link

Okay. Sure. Point taken. My fault. I've already owned up to this.

And Three- 'Railroading' would be me wanting to me forcing every single thing to go my way, and so far I can guarantee you that a lot of things hasn't so don't be so blind and ignorant, and do show a little more respect not only to me, but to your fellow players as well.

@Gnar The Missing Link

Now this... Just out of curiosity, what hasn't gone your way so far? Just off of the top of my head, the cadets failed the test as you expected them to, Ian broke down just like you wanted him to, Sigma submitted just like you wanted her to, the cadets stopped fighting just like you wanted them to, Iskander lost his swords just like you wanted him to... At what point have we actually gone off the rails?

You also completely missed the point here... that I really think you should go back and reread what I said after that. Never once did I mention anything about the commanders- I was referring to how the cadets have a lack of power and are not supposed to have any kind of authority.

@Gnar The Missing Link

I was raising a separate point that I had been ruminating on for some time. I've been vocal for some time regarding my stance on Lorenzo as a poor character.

Honestly? Since I haven't really had no other complaints except from you, and from what I'm getting as the GM of this RP, it just seems like you're upset that I took away your swords, and that was your fault from the beginning and that this argument is just wanting to spiral down from there.

@Gnar The Missing Link

There have been other discrepancies, I've just been the most vocal. At let's be honest here, I've been complaining since long before the swords were taken. That entire post was just a really blatant display of railroading, and I really didn't care for it. The whole sword fiasco can be summed up as, "Nope nope nope I don't like what's happening here and it's going to stop right now and you can't do anything about it and I'll make sure to punish you if you do it again and I'm just going to change the scene so you definitely can't do anything about it."

Edit: Sorry, but you wont be getting your swords back for the reasons I said above.

@Gnar The Missing Link

...and that's petty. Iskander's first priority will be retrieving his swords as soon as he can.

Look, I think there's a severe miscommunication here. This isn't a matter of being right or wrong or correct or anything like that. The fact of the matter is that I have an issue with the way the game is currently being run. The disconnect that I am seeing here is that rather than trying to resolve the issue, you are telling me that I am wrong for having it. If you're trying to reason with me regarding this issue, I can't tell, because I'm getting more of a "sit down and shut up" than anything else. You may play a megalomaniac in the RP, but roleplaying is a collaborative process.

Lastly, just as a curiosity, is English your first language? Or are you writing on a mobile platform. Not to be rude.

[Gnar The Missing Link]

Lastly, just as a curiosity, is English your first language? Or are you writing on a mobile platform. Not to be rude.

@Dead Cruiser

You're already being plenty rude as it is. There's not really any need for an apology now.

Now this... Just out of curiosity, what hasn't gone your way so far? Just off of the top of my head, the cadets failed the test as you expected them to, Ian broke down just like you wanted him to, Sigma submitted just like you wanted her to, the cadets stopped fighting just like you wanted them to, Iskander lost his swords just like you wanted him to... At what point have we actually gone off the rails?

@Dead Cruiser

1)Did not intend for the team to become a bubbling mess
2)Did not intend for Ian to become Cruxi Lunch
3)Did not intend for Ian to become reincarnation of Raiden/Cyborg Ninja Pilot
4)Did not intend for the the Synch Rates to turn out the way they did
5)Did not intend for Sigma to Rip out Ian's freaking eye out and get traumatized and piss herself. Kudos to Atomic to including that, very... disturbing.
6)Did not intend for Korie to start hating Zan for hitting Takeo
7)Did not intend for Ritsu to confiscate weapons that should not have existed in the first place.

Those are only some things.

There have been other discrepancies, I've just been the most vocal. At let's be honest here, I've been complaining since long before the swords were taken. That entire post was just a really blatant display of railroading, and I really didn't care for it. The whole sword fiasco can be summed up as, "Nope nope nope I don't like what's happening here and it's going to stop right now and you can't do anything about it and I'll make sure to punish you if you do it again and I'm just going to change the scene so you definitely can't do anything about it."

@Dead Cruiser

-Sighs-

Look.

I did it because Atomic PMed me and asked me to, because if Sigma would have gone ahead and seen them acting that way right after what she had seen with Ian, she probably would have used the new gun she received from Ritsu right away due to being so mentally strained, and it would have made sense. Which brings me to what you said:

Look, I think there's a severe miscommunication here. This isn't a matter of being right or wrong or correct or anything like that. The fact of the matter is that I have an issue with the way the game is currently being run. The disconnect that I am seeing here is that rather than trying to resolve the issue, you are telling me that I am wrong for having it. If you're trying to reason with me regarding this issue, I can't tell, because I'm getting more of a "sit down and shut up" than anything else. You may play a megalomaniac in the RP, but roleplaying is a collaborative process.

@Dead Cruiser

I know what Collaborative means, hence why I helped Atomic and Ammo with their GM Permission posts and Don plan his character's explosive devices... or did you already forget that? I'm honestly not telling anyone to "sit down" or "shut up", and that they have no freedom at all, honestly, I'm not! I'm wondering where in the hell you are getting these ideas that you're starting to freak me out here! o.O

I also gave Atomic the power of being in charge of the Squad, which I'm looking very much forward to~

Although, Dead, if you honestly don't like the way that I'm running things, then all I can say is that I'm sorry and I'll try and fix it, but being rude about it isn't going to solve anything and will just make it worse. Though, again, if you don't like how things are going... then, well, there's also the door and you are also free to leave whenever you want.

No one is keeping you here if you aren't having fun after all, that is what all RPs are meant to be ultimately: to have fun. :/

[Raijinslayer]

While there is a lull in this conflict, I'd like to ask @Gnar The Missing Link if a plot post could be made, so that the RP can continue to move forward, If you would be so kind.

@Dead Cruiser I'm going to regret this, but I need to address something about your accusations. Every example you gave has no concrete evidence of Railroading. The failing of the test was a foregone conclusion and rigged to be that way, and still Team Sigma almost passed in a sense by actually teaming up, Ian breaking was going to happen regardless in the end, so nothing really railroad-ish about that, Sigma submitting is kind of a moot point to bring up because, given the way AtomicNut described it, she was in no state of mind to offer up any sort of resistance to Lorenzo demand, more focused on keeping Ian alive in the long run, The fight is another moot point bevause that's the reasonable thing any military officer would do, and the sword thing just shouldn't have been an issue. I mean, yiu call them 'ornamental' but also say that they can cut through a man's shoulder just by being dropped on it!?!? I'm sorry, but even in a futuristic place like this, a piece of metal being able to slive through something like the shoulder with such ease is ridiculous, just a stupid thing to have made for any reason, and something you were almost assuredly going to use at somepoint, or else you wouldn't have described it in the first place. Hell, Gnar probably sabed your character from getting the Cruxi treatment, or worse from Lorenzo.

Sorry that all just really bothered me and I needed to get it out of my chest.

[AtomicNut]

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...and that's petty. Iskander's first priority will be retrieving his swords as soon as he can.

Look, I think there's a severe miscommunication here. This isn't a matter of being right or wrong or correct or anything like that. The fact of the matter is that I have an issue with the way the game is currently being run. The disconnect that I am seeing here is that rather than trying to resolve the issue, you are telling me that I am wrong for having it. If you're trying to reason with me regarding this issue, I can't tell, because I'm getting more of a "sit down and shut up" than anything else. You may play a megalomaniac in the RP, but roleplaying is a collaborative process.

Lastly, just as a curiosity, is English your first language? Or are you writing on a mobile platform. Not to be rude.

@Dead Cruiser

Okay, dude, or gal, whatever. Don't go in there. Because if you do, I am having a issue in the way you are basically trying to defend an ass-pull that was not predictable whatsoever against the only person this rp whose word is ultimately is law. Are you even trying to communicate your concern, or are just you projecting a spat because your attempt at making some sort of Lemurian lore o vision was promptly truncated because it made no actual sense to anyone but you.?

The way I see it, an rp is supposed to be a place to have fun, not spats, and frankly, if you had dedicated half of the time you invested in replying back to Gnar's reasoning, which I support by the way, in asking for a workaround rather than demanding things, I am confident a better result would be achieved.

Even if rps are collaborative processes, the GM's word, by definition is the default stance and holds more power than the others. You cannot win a confrontational talk with it. Just. LET. IT. GO.

Of course if you still insist in talking back, I would like you to reconsider. There is always the option to leave and spare the rest of us this lengthy wall of text that is not going anywhere.

Have a good day.

[Gnar The Missing Link]

While there is a lull in this conflict, I'd like to ask @Gnar The Missing Link if a plot post could be made, so that the RP can continue to move forward, If you would be so kind.

@Raijinslayer

I'll get something out shortly, don't you worry Raijin! I'll also have something out for Ian too~

[Raijinslayer]

@Gnar The Missing Link I'll look forward to it tomorrow, because I've gotta go to sleep now. Good Night everybody!

[Dondude]

A kitten!? Ferk yeah!

It's like they knew Ant has a weak side for cats... is this some sort of intricate lure by the commandants to keep Antwon satiated?

ALSO... yeah, idk if I like the sound of Ian's character being able to detect heartbeats. Everything else seems okay, though it's odd that they're basically upgrading him. Would probably give Ant ideas of his own to retaliate for cool cyborg parts.

[GreenGoat]

So what's Raiden's Ian's specs? What does he have?

[Raijinslayer]

@Gnar The Missing LinkAre Ian's legs normal-looking or obviously robotic, and did his ear also get fixed, or is it just normal with a chunk blasted out of it.

[Ammokkx]

@Raijinslayer I think for now only the eye is done, judging from the way it reads. Next post should be your legs and potentially ear.

[Raijinslayer]

I feel like I messed up so many things on a logic perspective fof this post, but I couldn't think of anything else. Really . . .really don't like this post.

[GreenGoat]

Its aight. Ive been bad posting since a few posts ago.

[AtomicNut]

Frankly enough, I could see him easily hallucinating he's the main protagonist of an harem comedy series given the amount of drugs he had to be pumped enough. So anything you write works.@Raijinslayer

[Dead Cruiser]

Will likely be inactive until Tuesday, just a forewarning.

[Ariamis]

Inb4 we get a team mascot, and then Lorenzo eats it

[GreenGoat]

I... I can actually see that happening.