[OOC] The Sun Will Never Set (A Statisticless NRP)(It had a good run)

[Cyclone]

@Willy Vereb

Well, Tin has an abundancd of fossil fuels and is more than willing to buy weaponry and vehicles. Trade would be mutually beneficial. Do you think your nation would be a willing trade partner? Granted the difference in religion would stop us from being too close, but the distance between our borders is such that I doubt either nation would see the other as an imminent threat.

[Voltus_Ventus]

@Willy Vereb

Well, Tin has an abundancd of fossil fuels and is more than willing to buy weaponry and vehicles. Trade would be mutually beneficial. Do you think your nation would be a willing trade partner? Granted the difference in religion would stop us from being too close, but the distance between our borders is such that I doubt either nation would see the other as an imminent threat.

@Cyclone

Back off! Their oil is mine!

[Willy Vereb]

@Willy Vereb

Well, Tin has an abundancd of fossil fuels and is more than willing to buy weaponry and vehicles. Trade would be mutually beneficial. Do you think your nation would be a willing trade partner? Granted the difference in religion would stop us from being too close, but the distance between our borders is such that I doubt either nation would see the other as an imminent threat.

@Cyclone

Yllendthyr is rather open to trade but the oil they get from their homeworld and especially their colonies is sufficient for now. Things may change in times of war, though.
Oil is an easier, cheaper and more abundant source of fuel. Elves of Yllendthyr just prefer the smell of biodiesel. Having heightened senses can suck at times. Many conservative elves hate the current century with all its noise and repugnant smell.

[Cyclone]

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Back off! Their oil is mine!

@Voltus_Ventus

Between owning those tropical islands and something like 80% of the world's desert, I think it's safe to say that I have enough oil to drown the both of your infidel nations.

@Willy Vereb

Well in any case, Tin would no doubt be at least interested in buying aircraft and they'd prefer to do it from someone that makes quality products and doesn't hate them. Your elves would fit the bill. Aside from coal and oil, Tin also has a lot of mountains and therefore a healthy mining industry. There's also forestry, fishing, agriculture, ranching...Tin has an over abundance of raw materials and a lack of manufacturing, so they would be looking to supply more industrialized nations in order to import finished goods and tech products.

[Meiyuuhi]

Well, I have Siberia.

And if I look at present-day oil production?

Russia: 10,107,000

Saudi Arabia: 9,735,200

Take that, fundamentalist scum.

[Murtox]

Yeah we should stablish the mayor oil producers in the world , i guess for now we are 3 : Tin ,People's Republic of Kataylabinsk and Tiqsimuyu

i guess

[Cyclone]

Hah, Russia's oil is more expensive though and the Saudi move to sell for cheaper is already destroying the Ruble. It's also going to hurt America because over here our shale oil is more expensive.

Oh, Saudi Arabia...

[Willy Vereb]

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Between owning those tropical islands and something like 80% of the world's desert, I think it's safe to say that I have enough oil to drown the both of your infidel nations.

@Willy Vereb

Well in any case, Tin would no doubt be at least interested in buying aircraft and they'd prefer to do it from someone that makes quality products and doesn't hate them. Your elves would fit the bill. Aside from coal and oil, Tin also has a lot of mountains and therefore a healthy mining industry. There's also forestry, fishing, agriculture, ranching...Tin has an over abundance of raw materials and a lack of manufacturing, so they would be looking to supply more industrialized nations in order to import finished goods and tech products.

@Cyclone

Plants and natural oil could be good exports since like I said elves hate the smell of burnt gasoline or petrol-derived diesel.
As for aircrafts...well, you may not wish to fly a vehicle designed for elves.
Elves have natural gyroscopes and can literally tell how fast their aircraft is going without needing devices to tell them. Their lighter aircrafts basically ditch most of the aviation gear you know and need and let the elves pilot it on nothing but their senses and instincts alone. They have a radio, a map and a compass... that's about navigation for elves.
Controlling the biodiesel-electric hybrid push-pull twin propeller engine and the sharp Gs accompanied with their overpowered design is also an issue.
Lastly, you may be frustrated because unlike typical fighters, most elven designs don't like installing surplus weapons to increase rate of fire... they prefer not missing so much.

Really, getting a seasoned human pilot in the cockpit into an elven fighter is a sure recipe for a disaster.

Seriously, just look at it. It's less of a fighter and more of a manned air torpedo armed with a single autocannon.

[Cyclone]

@Willy Vereb

Pfft, anything is better than nothing and the Sultanate doesn't have much capacity to make their own planes. If given enough money I'm sure elves could modify their designs to be more friendly for humans.

But if you insist maybe I could try buying aircraft from Ventium.

[Willy Vereb]

@Willy Vereb

Pfft, anything is better than nothing and the Sultanate doesn't have much capacity to make their own planes. If given enough money I'm sure elves could modify their designs to be more friendly for humans.

But if you insist maybe I could try buying aircraft from Ventium.

@Cyclone

Ventium is closer and while their designs are a bit crazy they are sure kinder for human pilots.
Elves can indeed build you aircrafts but their designs mostly work because of their natural capabilities and the properties of mithril.
Mithril would cost a lot and you'd be basically buying metric tons of them accompanied with their aircraft technology. Some aircrafts are also in such a compact size you'd be hardpressed to instant aviation gear on them.
You can ask the elves to use steel, plywood and other typical design elements for aircraft but the manufacturing of these will be subpar compared to what nations who already have more experience with this would do.
Really, Yllendthyr has only basic knowledge on steel since they kept relying on mithril.

Long story short you can ask them but I'm sure there are tons of better candidates.
You have a better shot at hiring some mercenaries from Yllendthyr and work for your army.
There are always some nobles down in the slums and in need of money. Hiring their private air squadron could be a rather valid solution, even if won't give you a really big force to work with.

[ClocktowerEchos]

Guys, bad news. I'm going have to drop out of this NRP. I might come back in a few months, but some shit is going down irl and I'm trying to reduce the amount of RPs I'm in because of it.

Feel free to have Yamatai be an NPC nation or have it be completely isolated and no one really found a good reason to try and invade it/all of the attacks have been repelled some how by way of giant mechs XD

[Hael]

Guys, bad news. I'm going have to drop out of this NRP. I might come back in a few months, but some shit is going down irl and I'm trying to reduce the amount of RPs I'm in because of it.

Feel free to have Yamatai be an NPC nation or have it be completely isolated and no one really found a good reason to try and invade it/all of the attacks have been repelled some how by way of giant mechs XD

@ClocktowerEchos

Well, that sucks. Sorry to see you go.

It also means I am know surronded on one end with a player who has dropped out, and on the other end with Tin XD

[Cyclone]

@Hael

I don't know what kind of nation you're working on but we COULD be friends...Y'know, it'd actually be nice to have just one friend that isn't milking me for my oil. *sticks tongue out at Voltus*

@Willy Vereb

What, there are just bored nobles rich enough to have air squadrons? And it's not illegal for them to work for the crazy nations across the sea? Well, I suppose elven mercenaries it is!

[Alfhedil]

Wow, I missed a lot of talk I would have liked to have been in on :/

In terms of exports, those who have the trust of Eisenkreis would be able to acquire finished goods of both industrial and military, including the Assault Rifle I am going to include next edit, and their advanced radar. I saw mention of radar, and meant to put it in the NS, but the Lindai already have a natural radar, and so I was intending them to be pretty advanced in that regard.

[Murtox]

@Alfhedil

I am in the list of trust, true?

[Cyclone]

@Alfhedil

How would your nation feel about Tin? Like I said to Willy, I think we're probably far enough from each another for our nations to not see one another as threats. And while Tin by no means has an amazing economy, they have resources to offer and just by having such a large population they can probably manage to scrape up enough money to buy the expensive military equipment that they want and everybody else seems to have.

[Hael]

I was only joking, my nation will probably fairly tolerant of Tin followers in our midst and we won't need much oil.

I'll send you a P.M. to get some stuff worked out after I post my N.S. in a few hours. It's not finished yet, but it's close to presentable form

[Willy Vereb]

Guy, guys.
I should remind everyone that we are only at 1940.
Many of the famous developments in World War 2 are years away.
If your nation specializes in a certain thing I can understand
But also keep in mind there's no war currently going on which forces nations to upgrade their weapons as much as possible.
Almost any cannon over or near 100mm must be a howitzer or a warship-mounted battery.
Armored vehicles still need better engines so that they could ever begin mounting bigger guns and armor. They are practically APCs by the typical standard.
Assault rifles and the need for intermediate cartridge doesn't even begin to be developed until years later and it enters by the war's end.
Rockets are workable but it takes some years before they scale them down effectively for a bazooka.
Anti-tank explosives were just seen use. Delivery systems are in the works.
Jet engines are somewhat in development but they eat fuel like crazy.
Propeller airplanes were far from reaching their zenith. 250 mph was considered decent while 300+ mph was fairly impressive.
Fighters only equipped machineguns and heavy MGs since escalation didn't require them to carry anything else.

And I could go on.
Basically I think a few technologies we have is actually a wee bit too OP.
Of course it's up to the GM to decide but I mentioned the above examples exactly because some nations did violate them.
As far as things are, nobody should feel the need to up arm themselves this much, neither have the technology to support it.
I admit, I may be also guilty on a few of these but I'll scale down some things if required.
Anyways, I only posted this to raise awareness to the issue.
The rest are in the GM's hands.
@Voltus_Ventus

[Willy Vereb]

@Willy Vereb

What, there are just bored nobles rich enough to have air squadrons? And it's not illegal for them to work for the crazy nations across the sea? Well, I suppose elven mercenaries it is!

@Cyclone

Nobles in my nation have the duty to defend their country and have the honor that depending on their status they can maintain a military force of a certain size.
This lead to nobles often creating "elite units" from the best stuff they can afford.
Also regulations on the use of this military force is kinda lax.
So yeah, just like you said. You can find bored nobles who have an entire squadron of planes and are willing to stay in your country for a "reasonable" prize.
The emperor may recall them or even issue punishment for such actions but generally it never happens unless they are preparing for a war of considerable scale.
You'd also have a hard time to convince these elven nobles to attack their own nation but attacking supposed allies or with whom Yllendthyr has friendly relations... everything for the right price.

[thegreenleafe]

Guy, guys.
I should remind everyone that we are only at 1940.
Many of the famous developments in World War 2 are years away.
If your nation specializes in a certain thing I can understand
But also keep in mind there's no war currently going on which forces nations to upgrade their weapons as much as possible.
Almost any cannon over or near 100mm must be a howitzer or a warship-mounted battery.
Armored vehicles still need better engines so that they could ever begin mounting bigger guns and armor. They are practically APCs by the typical standard.
Assault rifles and the need for intermediate cartridge doesn't even begin to be developed until years later and it enters by the war's end.
Rockets are workable but it takes some years before they scale them down effectively for a bazooka.
Anti-tank explosives were just seen use. Delivery systems are in the works.
Jet engines are somewhat in development but they eat fuel like crazy.
Propeller airplanes were far from reaching their zenith. 250 mph was considered decent while 300+ mph was fairly impressive.
Fighters only equipped machineguns and heavy MGs since escalation didn't require them to carry anything else.

And I could go on.
Basically I think a few technologies we have is actually a wee bit too OP.
Of course it's up to the GM to decide but I mentioned the above examples exactly because some nations did violate them.
As far as things are, nobody should feel the need to up arm themselves this much, neither have the technology to support it.
I admit, I may be also guilty on a few of these but I'll scale down some things if required.
Anyways, I only posted this to raise awareness to the issue.
The rest are in the GM's hands.
@Voltus_Ventus

@Willy Vereb

I agree that some of the weapons tech was really OP, but then again I'm kinda keeping my soldiers somewhat basic.