[OOC] The Sun Will Never Set (A Statisticless NRP)(It had a good run)

[Willy Vereb]

@MihndarI can imagine you instigating a revolt in my western colony which borders your country.
I mean the proud proletariat is being "oppressed" by the rich snobbish nobility who don't even belong to the same race?
It screams for a chance for you to "liberate" them.

[Voltus_Ventus]

I've made the executive decision to use the bombings to start off the RP. Expect an IC soon, this time I will follow up on that statement.

hopefully...

Edit: but who will be contesting the Islands?

Tin and...

I choose you Willy. You and Cyclone both contest The Zanjer Islands, Cyclone will have official control on the west half and Willy the east.

[Hael]

I've made the executive decision to use the bombings to start off the RP. Expect an IC soon, this time I will follow up on that statement.

hopefully...

Edit: but who will be contesting the Islands?

Tin and...

I choose you Willy. You and Cyclone both contest The Zanjer Islands, Cyclone will have official control on the west half and Willy the east.

@Voltus_Ventus

Sounds good to me. KalMea is ready to bomb a few heathens in defense of the People of Kal (our allies and ourselves, that is).

[Voltus_Ventus]

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Sounds good to me. KalMea is ready to bomb a few heathens in defense of the People of Kal (our allies and ourselves, that is).

@Hael

But you are not the Commie who is bombing?

[Hael]

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But you are not the Commie who is bombing?

@Voltus_Ventus

No, KalMea despises communism, we're Theo-democratic Capitalists. There is a small group of socialist in my nation, but they're far too small and hated to be of any relevance for a long time. I basically have them as back-up incase things get boring, and we need an uprising to speed things up again.

So, no, I wouldn't be the ones to set things off. That would be our red friends.

[Cyclone]

KalMea will probably be pulled into this pretty quickly if Tin escalates this into a full-blown war, which could very well happen.

Well I was going to have elven mercenaries form the bulk of my air force, but if this is how we're going to start then perhaps I should reconsider

[Alfhedil]

<Snipped quote by Hael>What?
I certainly won't be the person you'd find arguing with if you make some midly unbelievable things. I have freakin' elves riding griffins and using a metal which would never exist even by modern world technology.
Did you see me arguing with Voltus_Ventus for his robotic horses? Or that the Avians use little girls with propellers on their legs wielding autocannons that would be nigh-unbearable even with solid footing?
I can mention more but the fact is that I take them as acceptable breaks from reality. This is a fantasy setting even if the time is 1940. I'm the loudest person to repeat it. So your complaint just caught me completely unprepared.
I don't think I did more than just mention some realities during WW2 as an interesting food for thought.
Even then these should't have been overbearing when I only bring them up for a pot or two.
If this alone made you nearly quit then I'm not sure what can I do.
I don't want any arguments and I actively avoided such topics prior.

@Willy Vereb

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your post, because as I said, you're just going to start conflict with me over it until you get what you want. This however, is the biggest crock of shit. Are you really surprised that someone else doesn't take kindly to your attitude in the OOC? You start crap with everyone over these little things and have been pushing against the setting since you came in here. Nearly every one of your posts is something about how the technology of the setting isn't true to WW2, or how something doesn't work the way someone says, or just a general push to keep things "realistic". It's more than irritating, it's killing the fun of the RP. You say you don't want arguments, but look above. YOU started that over nothing, when you could have simply taken the original comment as a joke and made your own, we both could have had a laugh and left things to the IC to see how it really developed. Instead you decided that everything had to be "realistic" and challenge me over my own nation's defenses. And for what purpose? What do you really have to gain by trying to shove down my throat all this about a more realistic setting? Is it more fun? Is it really?

No, it's not. All this is doing and driving discontent in the OOC and making people feel wont to discuss their own nation in here for thinking that someone is going to critique their technology or say that something doesn't work the way they want it to. This is a fantasy setting with elves riding griffins into battle. Get down off your high-horse of "realism" and stop trying to make this into some game that can be won. That's really what this comes down to, and as much as I despise to say so, it really feels like you're only provoking these big arguments to get an edge over people.

So how about you kindly stop with starting shit with people and making a big deal out of every little thing. I don't really care what happened in WW2 and what was more effective than what, or just how effective one thing or another was. I'm here to participate in a collaborative story with my fellow players and have a good time. You are ruining this by pushing to make this into some game that can be won.

[Voltus_Ventus]

Too gutless to say it my self... You executed that very well @Alfhedil, thank you.

I am all for realism but as one final statement for this topic, I say all the techs thus far are acceptable and I thank all of you for your inputs on this matter.

[Hael]

Do you see, Willy? Nobody likes it when you do this. You take the fun out of a silly hobby that has no connection to reality. I go here to escape reality, not have it shoved down my throat.

You officially joined my list of RPers I respect, Alfhedil.

[Cyclone]

I've made the executive decision to use the bombings to start off the RP. Expect an IC soon, this time I will follow up on that statement.

hopefully...

Edit: but who will be contesting the Islands?

Tin and...

I choose you Willy. You and Cyclone both contest The Zanjer Islands, Cyclone will have official control on the west half and Willy the east.

@Voltus_Ventus

Wait, I reread this and now even I'm a bit confused on what's going on. I originally put contested because the natives were obviously still fighting me, Yamatai had laid claim to some of the islands, and other nations presumably might not recognize Tin's ownership over the islands.

So to be clear, now:
1) Yamatai is not a part of this now; Voltus won't be controlling them as they compete with Tin over the islands as was first planned
2) The natives are still resisting colonization attempts and fighting invaders
3) The PRK is arming the natives to help them fight the Tinite invaders
4) Now the elves are also colonizing some islands and Tin is getting pissed
5) The Communists are bombing colonies on both Tin and elven controlled islands, in an attempt to get them to go to war for some reason?

This is a really complex situation and we should probably figure out what's going on (and what the backstory/motivations for everything is) so that we're all on the same page.

[Meiyuuhi]

@MihndarI can imagine you instigating a revolt in my western colony which borders your country.
I mean the proud proletariat is being "oppressed" by the rich snobbish nobility who don't even belong to the same race?
It screams for a chance for you to "liberate" them.

@Willy Vereb

Exactly. And that philosophy extends to your entire country.

I'm very inclined to agree with Alfhedil, but I would maintain realism is still something to strive for when it doesn't conflict with player narrative.

[Willy Vereb]

KalMea will probably be pulled into this pretty quickly if Tin escalates this into a full-blown war, which could very well happen.

Well I was going to have elven mercenaries form the bulk of my air force, but if this is how we're going to start then perhaps I should reconsider

@Cyclone

Yeah, I totally didn't expect this to happen.
Well, there's an elven group at Umbrasis and they also have developed airforce of sorts.
They might be even happy to fight Yllendthyr for you.

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I'm not going to respond to the rest of your post, because as I said, you're just going to start conflict with me over it until you get what you want. This however, is the biggest crock of shit. Are you really surprised that someone else doesn't take kindly to your attitude in the OOC? You start crap with everyone over these little things and have been pushing against the setting since you came in here. Nearly every one of your posts is something about how the technology of the setting isn't true to WW2, or how something doesn't work the way someone says, or just a general push to keep things "realistic". It's more than irritating, it's killing the fun of the RP. You say you don't want arguments, but look above. YOU started that over nothing, when you could have simply taken the original comment as a joke and made your own, we both could have had a laugh and left things to the IC to see how it really developed. Instead you decided that everything had to be "realistic" and challenge me over my own nation's defenses. And for what purpose? What do you really have to gain by trying to shove down my throat all this about a more realistic setting? Is it more fun? Is it really?

No, it's not. All this is doing and driving discontent in the OOC and making people feel wont to discuss their own nation in here for thinking that someone is going to critique their technology or say that something doesn't work the way they want it to. This is a fantasy setting with elves riding griffins into battle. Get down off your high-horse of "realism" and stop trying to make this into some game that can be won. That's really what this comes down to, and as much as I despise to say so, it really feels like you're only provoking these big arguments to get an edge over people.

So how about you kindly stop with starting shit with people and making a big deal out of every little thing. I don't really care what happened in WW2 and what was more effective than what, or just how effective one thing or another was. I'm here to participate in a collaborative story with my fellow players and have a good time. You are ruining this by pushing to make this into some game that can be won.

@Alfhedil

Um, again you don't make the slightest sense.
I kindly continue a discussions and talk about various technology and then you explode at me and try to accuse me for starting arguments?
Seriously, you need to do a self check.

If a little discussion like this demotivates people then that has nothing to do with me.
If you can't take a little critique you'd eventually be burned out of this game anyways.

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Exactly. And that philosophy extends to your entire country.

I'm very inclined to agree with Alfhedil, but I would maintain realism is still something to strive for when it doesn't conflict with player narrative.

@Mihndar

The problem is that Alfhedil is blowing things out of proprotion.
It all comes down to him perhaps not even caring to read what I wrote and surmise it as "this guy dissed me, what an asshole!" when the point of critique is to offer a mirror for people and help them improve.
I'm never particularly aggressive on my points and I practically agree that we should strive more for a fun kind of RP than some hardcore war novel knockoff.
So everything he says to me comes off as being a complete miss.

Anyways, I look forward to all the potential mess Yllendthyr is getting into.

[Alfhedil]

You officially joined my list of RPers I respect, Alfhedil.

@Hael

[Hael]

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Wait, I reread this and now even I'm a bit confused on what's going on. I originally put contested because the natives were obviously still fighting me, Yamatai had laid claim to some of the islands, and other nations presumably might not recognize Tin's ownership over the islands.

So to be clear, now:
1) Yamatai is not a part of this now; Voltus won't be controlling them as they compete with Tin over the islands as was first planned
2) The natives are still resisting colonization attempts and fighting invaders
3) The PRK is arming the natives to help them fight the Tinite invaders
4) Now the elves are also colonizing some islands and Tin is getting pissed
5) The Communists are bombing colonies on both Tin and elven controlled islands, in an attempt to get them to go to war for some reason?

This is a really complex situation and we should probably figure out what's going on (and what the backstory/motivations for everything is) so that we're all on the same page.

@Cyclone

Nah, you basically just summarized it. It's your basic, super-tense-on-the-edge-of-world-destroying-war situation. Everyone wants a piece of these apparently really good islands, and the communists want to liberate the natives. Everyone is gonna start pulling allies and such in and soon the war is less about the islands and more about the ideals: Communism v. Capitalism, Monarchy v. Democracy, Old-style v. New Advancements. Just like the cold war was less about Russia versus America and more about the whole ideas of Communism versus Democracy and Capitalism.

At least, that's the way I got it.

[Voltus_Ventus]

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Wait, I reread this and now even I'm a bit confused on what's going on. I originally put contested because the natives were obviously still fighting me, Yamatai had laid claim to some of the islands, and other nations presumably might not recognize Tin's ownership over the islands.

So to be clear, now:
1) Yamatai is not a part of this now; Voltus won't be controlling them as they compete with Tin over the islands as was first planned
2) The natives are still resisting colonization attempts and fighting invaders
3) The PRK is arming the natives to help them fight the Tinite invaders
4) Now the elves are also colonizing some islands and Tin is getting pissed
5) The Communists are bombing colonies on both Tin and elven controlled islands, in an attempt to get them to go to war for some reason?

This is a really complex situation and we should probably figure out what's going on (and what the backstory/motivations for everything is) so that we're all on the same page.

@Cyclone

Yes, I'm not controlling any of you, that is why i am only going to write about the explosions and not if the garrisons will fire at each other.

Your Island, so yes, there would probably have been resistance but slight due to most likely a well outfitted garrison, a war would make the revolt risk much higher.

Our local communist accepted the bombings and what they may cause and I assume/hope, he has his own personal agenda. I'm merely lighting the powder Keg, pun intended.

[Voltus_Ventus]

<Snipped quote by Cyclone>Yeah, I totally didn't expect this to happen.
Well, there's an elven group at Umbrasis and they also have developed airforce of sorts.
They might be even happy to fight Yllendthyr for you.


<Snipped quote by Alfhedil>Um, again you don't make the slightest sense.
I kindly continue a discussions and talk about various technology and then you explode at me and try to accuse me for starting arguments?
Seriously, you need to do a self check.

If a little discussion like this demotivates people then that has nothing to do with me.
If you can't take a little critique you'd eventually be burned out of this game anyways.

@Willy Vereb

I choose who gets burned out of this game, not you, not anyone. If someone wants to stay and they are doing a good job RPing, you shouldn't be saying things to upset the, even if it is a critique.

Now please, both of you, chill.

[Willy Vereb]

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I choose who gets burned out of this game, not you, not anyone. If someone wants to stay and they are doing a good job RPing, you shouldn't be saying things to upset the, even if it is a critique.

Now please, both of you, chill.

@Voltus_Ventus

I'm not trying to upset anyone. Aside from mentioning how Eisenkreis shouldn't be able to stop any aircraft dead I don't think I ever picked arguments.
That's why I find this entire accusation strange and unwarranted and the idea of people burning out as ridiculous.
Of course the decision is yours as the GM but there shouldn't be a tension to begin with.
That's my issue.

[Alfhedil]

<Snipped quote by Alfhedil>Um, again you don't make the slightest sense.
I kindly continue a discussions and talk about various technology and then you explode at me and try to accuse me for starting arguments?
Seriously, you need to do a self check.

If a little discussion like this demotivates people then that has nothing to do with me.
If you can't take a little critique you'd eventually be burned out of this game anyways.

@Willy Vereb

Ah, the classic "You obviously have problems, so everything you've said makes no sense." argument. It's been awhile since someone attempted that on me. Try reading what I posted again, maybe you'll come to an understanding.

But, I'll do one more for you, and give it to you simply. You're too confrontational with people, and you are starting all of these little conflicts. Having a discussion is fine, but when you center the entire topic around changing someone else's nation/culture into something that lines up with your approval, is starts to slip away from being a conversation. It's not critique either, because there's a difference between honest critique and attempting to deconstruct what other people have made and make into something that you approve of. You can try and put out those same arguments, and get the same reactions, or you can actually listen to what myself and several others have said, and back off. You are the problem here, not us. Kindly adjust your attitude and we can all get along here and write a compelling story. We are not your enemy, and shouldn't be treated as such. Stop treating this like a game.

If you want to be in an RP that is built to be a game, then you need to go one section down into the Tabletop RP section. There I'm sure you will find other people who share your need for realism and to have everything line up like stats on a board. Until then, let's try and get along here in this RP. You're my neighbor in the RP, and it would be a damn shame if I had to put you on ignore because you can't put having fun in an RP before your inflated ego.

Edit: And that's honestly the last I'm going to say on the matter, seeing as how I posted after Volt asked to stop.

[Cyclone]

@Voltus_Ventus

So what about Yllendthyr? They're still trying to grab islands?

If it goes beyond just an attempted Communist uprising and into a 3-sided World War, I suppose the other idea that I was going to do (the one I PM'd you) will have to be scrapped or saved for later, as there'd be too much going on at once.

Since I see it as us choosing one or the other, I may as well spill the beans and say what it is to see if people would prefer it to be the primary conflict rather than the island wars. Avalia refuses to trade with Tin, oppresses Ajdars inside their country, and is generally just a thorn in Tin's side.

So shortly after when the new Sultan is crowned, which will probably be my first post, he would take an aggressive stance by embargoing and blockading Avalia. That strait to the inner sea that Tin controls would be shut down, and Tin would threaten to shoot down any aircraft within their range that go to or from Avalia.

Since Avalia is a big exporter of aircraft and that special super-gas that several nations use, cutting off the world's supply and inflicting significant economic damage on Avalia and all its trade partners would probably lead to war. A big war, that would probably involve more nations than this island conflict would.

Personally I'd like to just have the PRK arming the island natives to hurt Tin as a side thing, with this trade war as our maim focus. I just find it more interesting as an idea. What do you all think?

[Voltus_Ventus]

<Snipped quote by Voltus_Ventus>I'm not trying to upset anyone. Aside from mentioning how Eisenkreis shouldn't be able to stop any aircraft dead I don't think I ever picked arguments.
That's why I find this entire accusation strange and unwarranted and the idea of people burning out as ridiculous.

@Willy Vereb

Look, clearly you did/wrote something that upset her and from what I can deduce it's all the factual stuff and the pointing out that something isn't accurate, even though you do it just to reference and not forcing someone to change. So I'm asking you, please, to not.

I can see that you are all good RPers, as your rebuttals are larger then most things I write and I'd rather have us being friends then glaring daggers at eachother.