[OOC] [Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

[MelonHead]

Brennus really isn't that big, unless 5 ft 8" is considered large where your from or something. My view might be skewed by the fact that I'm 6ft 3", so anyone under 6ft seems short to me.

[Sathanas Rex]

shhh he's an imposing and menacing man. Though Florian is taller than him, now that you mention it.

[Vordak]

Sathanas, why am i supposed to understand all that fencing terminology? ;(

[Skallagrim]

Fencing is different that gladitoral techniques, as it is different from European longsword, Arabian scimitar and Japanese katana techniques. I wouldn't worry to much Vordy, just enjoy it.

[Vordak]

Fencing is different that gladitoral techniques, as it is different from European longsword, Arabian scimitar and Japanese katana techniques. I wouldn't worry to much Vordy, just enjoy it.

@Skallagrim

That is exactly why we all write how the actual stances and guards are executed. I don't have a damn idea what moving one's fist into second position does, other than supposedly parry Melon's attack. Neither do i know what exactly a passata or beat are supposed to be. The only related things i found are the "passata sotto", which is dodging maneuver, not a parry, and the act of beating away an opponent's blade, which doesn't seem to fit into the context of Sathana's post.

I don't mean to rant, but a single post probably shouldn't require more than a few cursory google searches to understand.

[Sathanas Rex]

I'm sorry @Vordak, I had your same concern, which is why I had a few people read it over. They seemed to understand it. I think I also described what I was doing, not just using fencing terminology. For example here

Brennus moved his right foot forward, striking in gran passata towards his left shoulder. A gran passata allowed the fighter to cover large distances, but was difficult to control.

I think I explained what a gran passata is, by adding that sentence. Same with Florian's passata, I specify he moves his left, non-dominant, foot forward, like Brennus did, except without the attack at the end.

A beat is a fencing technique yes, but it is also used as a measure of time, like in many other combat sports. This may be my fault though, perhaps I didn't use the correct english term to translate it?

And about the fist position, I suppose you are correct. I will say here second position is with the palm of the hand facing downwards, so Florian's sword is horizontal, point facing left, protecting his upper body. I will also edit that into the IC for clarity.

However you are correct, and your rant is justified. I'm glad this fight at least has spectators ;D

@Melonhead I'm sorry, if you're having the same issues I will go and edit things more.

edit: let me just get rid of that fist position thing. I can see why issues would arise. Anyway, all this has been edited, so you should be able to read it without googling anything.

[Skallagrim]

Use less technical terms. Just write it out. If I used every technical term for the martial training I know it would bog down my fights. Like any writing the clearer and more concise the better. There will be times it cannot be helped, but if you can keep it simple do so.

[Vordak]

Thanks, it's definitely easier to understand the post now.

And regarding the gran passata/passata: when you wrote "striking in gran passata", i inferred it to a be a variation of an offensive move named "passata", so that led to a bit of confusion. If i understand correctly, both actually refer to solely footwork.

[Sathanas Rex]

Passatas are footwork, yes. A gran passata is when you move your non-dominant foot forward and then follow that with an attack, like what Brennus did. It lets you shoot forward great distances, but is also somewhat unwieldy.

As long as what's happening is understandable, everything is fine, then.

[MelonHead]

Passatas are footwork, yes. A gran passata is when you move your non-dominant foot forward and then follow that with an attack, like what Brennus did. It lets you shoot forward great distances, but is also somewhat unwieldy.

As long as what's happening is understandable, everything is fine, then.

@Sathanas Rex

Maybe I made a mistake somewhere, I'll re-read my post, but I'm fairly certain Brennus moved forward on his dominant foot (right foot) because he's right handed while simultaneously striking down with his sword.

As for the technical terms bit, I'd only really use technical names for things which can be googled to quickly get an image of them because it's much-much easier than trying to explain where every part of your body is. I did however also include a brief explanation of what the stance was afterwords.

Read my post, no mistake, he stepped forward on his right foot.

[MelonHead]

Also, you're going to take Brennus' head off with a wooden longsword? That's remarkable. You also just effortlessly parried a two handed attack with one hand, after admitting your character was the weaker, also very interesting.

I'm not going to argue, as I've already said my attack was cursory and careful, though I'm confused as to why you've begged to differ in your post and turned it into some sort of huge theatrical swinging assault which is cumbersomely slow and weak. I'm pretty sure your character is using a wooden longsword the same as mine, so you don't have some sort of longsword Vs Fencing sword advantage here.

[MelonHead]

Read everything again, you also had your character step forward on his left hand side, in response to an attack to his left shoulder? Maybe it's just me, but that seems counter-intuitive to effectively parrying a strike that by all rights is going to be more effective than your defence.

[Sathanas Rex]

Yeah, I see the issue with the technical terms, I'll drop them in favor of the most accurate description I can think of.

I'm sure I've made some mistakes in the posts. I'll re-read everything and address point by point.

Maybe I made a mistake somewhere, I'll re-read my post, but I'm fairly certain Brennus moved forward on his dominant foot (right foot)

You are correct, he moved with his right foot. In the previous post, however, his left foot was behind, due to the guard.

His left side faced his opponent while his right foot was back and turned

in the first post

An attack executed like that does what you wanted it to do: gives you extra reach. But it does take more time to complete than simply an attack.

Also, you're going to take Brennus' head off with a wooden longsword? That's remarkable.

not really, sorry. That was more the way Florian thinks, very dramatic and the like.

You also just effortlessly parried a two handed attack with one hand

This is my mistake as I didn't specify anywhere he was holding the sword in two hands. I also didn't specify he was holding it in one hand, though. I apologize.

Read everything again, you also had your character step forward on his left hand side, in response to an attack to his left shoulder? Maybe it's just me, but that seems counter-intuitive to effectively parrying a strike that by all rights is going to be more effective than your defence.

On the contrary, he's stepping into the attack to parry it and position himself in grappling range.

I didn't mean to turn your words to my favor. I know that a similar attack is difficult to execute cautiously, because of the momentum the back foot offers, so I countered it with the most natural counter to it. There probably has been a misunderstanding on this front. I did read your post carefully and play out the movements before writing a response.

[Vordak]

If Florian parries the weak (closer to the tip) of Brennus' sword with the strong of his (closer to the hilt), then he can do it even with one hand.

[Sathanas Rex]

Also correct. This results naturally from the parry I described -- but the fault is still mine because I did not explain it.

[MelonHead]

If Florian parries the weak (closer to the tip) of Brennus' sword with the strong of his (closer to the hilt), then he can do it even with one hand.

@Vordak

He's not doing that though, he's stepping into the attack exposing more of himself to Brennus' 'blade' and also reducing the target he has to strike at on the sword to the wider area. His sword is also on the wrong side of his body to parry with the 'strong' part of his blade.

Also, you must have misunderstood something, my character's left foot was only behind his right when he attacked, it says in that post 'his right foot back.' I might have somehow misled you with the earlier mention of the left side facing you, when it would have been more appropriate to say his left shoulder was closer to his opponent, but in my opinion neither signify what you were saying.

You never said how you were holding the sword, but I inferred from your immediate grappling focus that your character was only using it in one hand leaving the second hand free for grappling.

[Sathanas Rex]

I am stepping into the attack with a parry, so both of you are correct. In my head I took it for granted it was a two hand grip, it being a broadsword. Florian could have easily parried it with two hands and then freed a hand for grappling, or he could have executed the parry with one hand. But yes, this is true, I never mentioned it. My bad, once again.

And I think I see the misunderstanding. In my head I saw this: Brennus stands in plow guard, left foot forward, right foot back and turned. Then during the attack, the right foot comes forward, accompanying the sword's downward strike. Is this incorrect?

[MelonHead]

I am stepping into the attack with a parry, so both of you are correct. In my head I took it for granted it was a two hand grip, it being a broadsword. Florian could have easily parried it with two hands and then freed a hand for grappling, or he could have executed the parry with one hand. But yes, this is true, I never mentioned it. My bad, once again.

And I think I see the misunderstanding. In my head I saw this: Brennus stands in plow guard, left foot forward, right foot back and turned. Then during the attack, the right foot comes forward, accompanying the sword's downward strike. Is this incorrect?

@Sathanas Rex

Yes, Brennus is standing in what is roughly comparable to plow guard, his left foot is leading and his right foot is back and turned as a foundation. During the attack he steps forward on his right foot to close the distance between the two competitors (as much as seven feet down to four feet) while simultaneously launching a quick cut to his opponent's left shoulder.

[Sathanas Rex]

okay, I read correctly ^^ Glad that's settled.

My reply is correct. The thing with that attack is it cannot really be launched carefully. You said it yourself, the range of that attack is huuuge. And because of it, it's 'slow', as in takes more time to complete than Florian's intercept. He has all the time to parry it and connect his grapple. I've had the same thing done to me when I attacked into an invite normally, let alone in gran passata.

[Vordak]

okay, I read correctly ^^ Glad that's settled.

My reply is correct. The thing with that attack is it cannot really be launched carefully. You said it yourself, the range of that attack is huuuge. And because of it, it's 'slow', as in takes more time to complete than Florian's intercept. He has all the time to parry it and connect his grapple. I've had the same thing done to me when I attacked into an invite normally, let alone in gran passata.

@Sathanas Rex

Not necessarily. While the momentum might lock his feet into place, Brennus is still free to pull away the sword with his arms, and he can do so wicked quick, taking into mind the nature of his attack.

As i see it, the strike is similar to a sabre snap cut, which is powered by the elbow and wrist. See how the guy on the right attacks twice in under a second? That's a sabre cut.