[OOC] [Ranked] 2 v 2 battle! Reapers Vs Champions; A Dance of Blades!

[ImportantNobody]

What I meant to say was after work, dinner, and procrastination. Procrastination may take around an hour.

[MelonHead]

Vordak, you can sort out this shit, I have no idea what Khan just pulled but he seems to be suggesting the entire tower has fallen down because a 250kg man has fell on it which no prior context or anything resembling anything like sense. If it was that fragile it would have fallen apart the moment Judgement ran into the room, but last I checked Khan hadn't said anywhere that the tower was in danger of falling apart or that the rock was unable to support about a quarter of the weight the average elevator can sustain.

Unless he's suggesting his power can instantly melt through a good fifteen feet squared of rock, in which case we need a revise, as that power could easily kill everyone here instantly considering the speed at which he launched it and it took effect.

[MelonHead]

@Vordak Judge when you can if what happened is legit, can't be bothered to argue. Though if Khan's attack is allowed to be that powerful uncharged and undirected that quickly, Judgement should be at a similar level, at which point DJ's character is dead from the knee-strike, Judgement would be able to hit with enough force to throw her out of the building through the brick wall and break every bone in her body, even if she is supernaturally durable.

[GreivousKhan]

Vordak, you can sort out this shit, I have no idea what Khan just pulled but he seems to be suggesting the entire tower has fallen down because a 250kg man has fell on it which no prior context or anything resembling anything like sense. If it was that fragile it would have fallen apart the moment Judgement ran into the room, but last I checked Khan hadn't said anywhere that the tower was in danger of falling apart or that the rock was unable to support about a quarter of the weight the average elevator can sustain.

Unless he's suggesting his power can instantly melt through a good fifteen feet squared of rock, in which case we need a revise, as that power could easily kill everyone here instantly considering the speed at which he launched it and it took effect.

@MelonHead

Whoa whoa, the tower is fine. Why do you think the entire thing has fallen over? XD

Judgment fell through the floor due to the stone at where he lands being corroded. For example imagine jumping onto a hidden pit trap. How the hell would the entire tower fall? That' probably kill us all.

[MelonHead]

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Whoa whoa, the tower is fine. Why do you think the entire thing has fallen over? XD

Judgment fell through the floor due to the stone at where he lands being corroded. For example imagine jumping onto a hidden pit trap. How the hell would the entire tower fall? That' probably kill us all.

@GreivousKhan

Well, your character had no prior knowledge that Judgement was going to leap and launched his ability at his feet. So now I'm querying how your character knew to target an exact spot on the ground to corrode knowing Judgement would land on it? You definitely haven't done it this post, even if you had I would highly question how your character could do so that quickly.

It's also highly convenient that Judgement just happened to throw your ally away, who would be the one falling down this pit-trap if it wasn't for circumstances your character had no knowledge of until they just happened.

Regardless, Vordak can sort it out.

[GreivousKhan]

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Well, your character had no prior knowledge that Judgement was going to leap and launched his ability at his feet. So now I'm querying how your character knew to target an exact spot on the ground to corrode knowing Judgement would land on it? You definitely haven't done it this post, even if you had I would highly question how your character could do so that quickly.

It's also highly convenient that Judgement just happened to throw your ally away, who would be the one falling down this pit-trap if it wasn't for circumstances your character had no knowledge of until they just happened.

Regardless, Vordak can sort it out.

@MelonHead

Actually he planned and gambled on him jumping from the start, cause why wouldn't he? (heck I even mentioned this plan to DJ a week ago, Think I can't predict what your going to do? I can send you a pic of our Pm's and it's all time stamped if you don't believe me.)

The fire covered a cone radius of about 60 feet. Which is more or less from one end of the room to the next. To be honest, you reacted perfectly to what I planned on doing, I can't be faulted for being to smart for my own good.

Anyway, I'll leave it to Vordak, as most of this seems to stem from misunderstanding and lack of faith.

Edit: I mean, why did you think the floor became discolored in the first place? The effects of nether eats away at most matter such as iron, stone, or organic material. Which is explained in my sheet.

[MelonHead]

Whatever, leaving this for Vordak, but ultimately that ability just isn't fair. There is literally nothing I could do to stop something like that, which defeats the object of the T1 system.

[GreivousKhan]

I didn't think you'd be able to melt through 60 feet of stone of unknown thickness in less than a second, like I said if your character is that powerful Judgement must be similarly strong in which case DJ hasn't responded accurately to the knee strike, which should destroy his character instantly or at the very least launch her far from the battlefield. Hell, why wouldn't you just use that ability to instantly kill Judgement, if you can melt stone that quickly your power is more than capable of killing both me and IN instantly, which just isn't fair for an uncharged attack launched off the cusp.

@MelonHead

Well if it really melted through the stone he'd have fallen through it himself. Which is probably the confusion. It weakened a layer of stone allowing it to be more easily broken. Heck if he had kept on running at most a foot would have gotten stuck or something. The place is already ancient after all, flagstone being prone too cracks hardly helps matters.

To even do that again, he'd need to re-sheath the blade and charge it like before. It had one prep by the rules. And such an attack would do little against Judgment or the elf considering their armor.

Edit: I also notice your complaints keep changing, once proven wrong on one topic, you jump to the next. Nice one. It really is pointless arguing with you.

[MelonHead]

I fail to see the distinction. Do you have any idea how much you'd have to weaken stone to make it sufficiently fragile for Judgement to fall through it? Enough so that the mass your character has effectively destroyed in practically a second would be equivalent to instantly killing any character here.

[GreivousKhan]

Ha, based on what? Cause old stonework is the equivalent of magic protective armor or barriers? Nether can't be used in directly like normal energy. Anyway, pointless, I'll wait for a decision from Vordak.

I suppose I should specify on the decimation powers nether has on large objects or areas when using nether charges after this for my sheet.

[ImportantNobody]

His sword being able to cut through thin steel would be...weaker than a bullet proof vest, thus weaker than her magical shield, I'm assuming? Of course it would still do a number on her shield should one of his attacks hit.

[Vordak]

@GreivousKhan @Melonhead

It largely depends on how thick the floor is. I do have doubt in the nether's ability to corrode stone so fast, as it seems to spread in form of flame. In that case, unless the floor has rather large cracks in it, it would take much more than a fraction of a second to penetrate far enough into the stone.

But nevermind all of the above: this move looks quite out-of-character to me in the first place. While Khan may know of Melon's penchant for kicks and knee strikes, Tordor has absolutely no reason to suspect Judgment of such a thing. All Tordor knows, is that one of his opponents is a large behemoth clad in armor and wielding a greatsword - and that isn't a premise from which you could reliably infer a jump attack. On the contrary, Tordor can only expect him to never let his feet leave the ground, using the sword as a weapon instead, as even kicks are seldom advocated in swordfighting, not to mention anything that involves jumping. Heck, Melon even mentioned himself that a horizontal slash to the torso was possible instead of the knee strike, meaning that the prediction is borderline metagaming.

The only way i can see Tordor moving the flame in time to get it underneath Judgments feet, where it would spend just a fraction of a second corroding the stone, is directing all of his attention away from Listia to catch the jump on pure reaction speed.

[MelonHead]

That's what I inferred, but in actuality Khan's ability has just taken effect over sixty feet of stonework, hence my issue with the speed and effectiveness of the ability.

[GreivousKhan]

@GreivousKhan @Melonhead

It largely depends on how thick the floor is. I do have doubt in the nether's ability to corrode stone so fast, as it seems to spread in form of flame. In that case, unless the floor has rather large cracks in it, it would take much more than a fraction of a second to penetrate far enough into the stone.

But nevermind all of the above: this move looks quite out-of-character to me in the first place. While Khan may know of Melon's penchant for kicks and knee strikes, Tordor has absolutely no reason to suspect Judgment of such a thing. All Tordor knows, is that one of his opponents is a large behemoth clad in armor and wielding a greatsword - and that isn't a premise from which you could reliably infer a jump attack. On the contrary, Tordor can only expect him to never let his feet leave the ground, using the sword as a weapon instead, as even kicks are seldom advocated in swordfighting, not to mention anything that involves jumping. Heck, Melon even mentioned himself that a horizontal slash to the torso was possible instead of the knee strike, meaning that the prediction is borderline metagaming.

The only way i can see Tordor moving the flame in time to get it underneath Judgments feet, where it would spend just a fraction of a second corroding the stone, is directing all of his attention away from Listia to catch the jump on pure reaction speed.

@Vordak

Well nether is purely a spiritual medium so it wouldn't need cracks. But the issue would be the time it would take so if you say it would take longer that's fine.

Also onto the topic of his prediction being out of character, that's nonsense. The man is a armored giant, using his weight against him is both logical and predictable. Why would he need to know he was going to jump? That' doesn't really make allot of sense, if he didn't Tordor was prepared for that and the secondary effect was a back up plan. Metagming, is using outside character information you PC cannot know. Not accurately predicting how a character will react. It's not like Tordor is an idiot. He's over 400 years old having faced countless experiences.

I'm not even sure how that is even a point to make to be honest, and seems extremely reaching really. That's like saying you can't plan two steps ahead in an arena bout, which defeats the entire point of T1.

I had no idea, as a player, that melon was going to jump, therefore you baseless claim that I somehow read melons mind is to absurd. XD

[MelonHead]

Not requiring cracks sounds even more overpowered, that suggests you have an ability that can pass through any physical substance (like a wall you're hiding behind, or a suit of armour) and instantly melt through it.

[Vordak]

@GreivousKhan

Actually he planned and gambled on him jumping from the start, cause why wouldn't he? (heck I even mentioned this plan to DJ a week ago, Think I can't predict what your going to do? I can send you a pic of our Pm's and it's all time stamped if you don't believe me.)

@GreivousKhan

I had no idea, as a player, that melon was going to jump, therefore you baseless claim that I somehow read melons mind is to absurd. XD

@GreivousKhan

Cm'on Khan. It's not a baseless claim from my point of view, so no need to laugh me out.

Also, you've perverted the meaning of my own post, since i was making an entirely different point. I genuinely thought you knew of Melon's plan, so what i was trying to say was that while it could've been a predictable move to you, since you've seen Melon fight before, it wouldn't be an obvious one to Tordor at all. From that perspective, it is indeed metagamey.

Basically, my post is an answer to this question:

cause why wouldn't he?

[GreivousKhan]

@GreivousKhan

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Cm'on Khan. It's not a baseless claim from my point of view, so no need to laugh me out.

Also, you've perverted the meaning of my own post, since i was making an entirely different point. I genuinely thought you knew of Melon's plan, so what i was trying to say was that while it could've been a predictable move to you, since you've seen Melon fight before, it wouldn't be an obvious one to Tordor at all. From that perspective, it is indeed metagamey.

Basically, my post is an answer to this question:

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@Vordak

I've never fought melon much to the point I know his every move. I mean that would be a pretty amazing trick if I could do it.

Anyway, I originally planned on him getting stuck in the floor, the jumping would have just made it worse. I'll edit it later. Also can someone read it and tell me if it really looks like the entire tower fell? Cause I don't see it but I already know what I meant.

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[MelonHead]

There are two separate issues here, let me just outline what I have a problem with.

Khan just melted 60 feet of stonework almost instantly with one spell, the distinction between non-existent and just sufficient stonework to support Judgement's weight even factoring in his fairly low-key jump is so close together when you consider the strength of a stone-floor that it's basically a non-factor. Think about it, when have you heard of someone falling through a stone floor? Therefore, that section of floor is for all intents and purposes destroyed, in a second, with one spell.

This ability is highly convenient to the unfolding situation, but I don't believe Khan effectively described what his spell was capable of doing. Ultimately your CS is a tool to say what you -can- do, but if you don't say in IC what your spell -is- doing then it's considered null. I shouldn't need to be able to see your CS to infer the effects of your abilities, that's bad T1 writing.

Sooo

1. Spell too stronk.
2. Spell not described properly, highly convenient situation unfolds.

If Khan is allowed an ability that strong, Judgement must be scaled appropriately, in which case a revision of the non-existant damage DJ took from the Knee strike is required, to factor in his character subsequently having their armour shattered and pummelled into their body and being launched either into the stone wall or out the window, as Judgement gains insanely supernatural strength. Considering the scenario I'm fairly certain -I- could have launched DJ as far as his character went with a knee strike, so my character whose strength is probably up to thirty times mine, and his weight which is more than double my own, should result in DJ's character being thrown at least fifty feet.

[ImportantNobody]

I think there was a good job with the foreshadowing of what the attack could have been up to. People don't have to outright state traps they have set up if it can reasonably be assumed that the trap could have been set...and of course, near instantaneous melting of thick layers of stone is the part most called into question.

[DJAtomika]

I'm bad at measuring distance in feet and visualising it.

Sorry I was born in a place where they taught us distance in metres. XD