[OOC] [Ranked] 2 v 2 battle! Reapers Vs Champions; A Dance of Blades!

[DJAtomika]

Uh

[ImportantNobody]

Guess it's that time again. I won't post immediately but may get around to it later today.

Remind me not to fight against huge deadly flamethrower men again.

[ImportantNobody]

It seems like it went from last post made 1 day ago to last post made 3 days ago. Unless I'm going crazy, two days have transpired within the course of a single day. *twilight zone theme starts to play

Whatever the case may be, this is my top priority at the moment.

EDIT: Posted. As so this shall be known as the battle of wounded groins.

[ImportantNobody]

Your turn, @GreivousKhan.

[ImportantNobody]

Sorry about the wait. I haven't really been in the mood lately and forgot I had this fight going. I'm trying to get something typed up but I can't seem to focus on it. It's been two hours.

EDIT: I think I have to put it off until tomorrow.

EDIT: Hopefully inspiration will hit me while at work.

[ImportantNobody]

Posted. Sorry again that it's late and if it sucks. At least I'm feeling better now and it's friday.

[DJAtomika]

@GreivousKhan Your turn bro

[MelonHead]

I'm happy to let this lie until the end of the tournament, but I would like to finish it, even if it doesn't necessarily end with brutal executions all around a stalemate would be fine.

[ImportantNobody]

even if it doesn't necessarily end with brutal executions all around a stalemate would be fine.

@MelonHead

Why not have both?

[GreivousKhan]

I forgot all about this again, I'll try witting up a post while I have some free time from my match. Which has my top priority atm.

[DJAtomika]

@MelonHead I don't get your attack. Where is he attacking from and in what way? I also don't get how he can stab her again when she's stepped past the point and into his guard. A big dude rearing back a huge sword would have to have arms like tentacles to pull that all the way back to align the point for another stab.

Unless he's attacking from up high, with the blade pointed downward but his other hand holding the hilt higher so the whole thing's pointing down.

Regardless I already have a post in mind.

[MelonHead]

@MelonHead I don't get your attack. Where is he attacking from and in what way? I also don't get how he can stab her again when she's stepped past the point and into his guard. A big dude rearing back a huge sword would have to have arms like tentacles to pull that all the way back to align the point for another stab.

Unless he's attacking from up high, with the blade pointed downward but his other hand holding the hilt higher so the whole thing's pointing down.

Regardless I already have a post in mind.

@DJAtomika

Yeah that post might need editing, I think I threw it out quickly when I had no internet.

Actually no, Judgement surprised your character with speed as she stepped back to avoid his initial strike after parrying it he was already striking at her again before she could move into his guard, so it stands. Your character committed to moving into a strike, but you can interrupt that and do something different if running onto the end of Judgement's sword doesn't appeal to you, that's why I wrote in such a matter of fact way that your character -would- be impaled if she launched her attack.

[DJAtomika]

I misunderstood your post so yeah.

Kinda still don't, actually. *is an idiot*

[MelonHead]

I misunderstood your post so yeah.

Kinda still don't, actually. *is an idiot*

@DJAtomika

It was a very different kind of post, more story driven and with more character emphasis than my usual more technical posts. The point was that Judgement would skewer his opponent if she tried to strike at him again because it was what he was made to do, and the risk to his own person was unimportant. Your character can hit Judgement if she wishes, but she can't just nonchalantly flick his blade away again, which by the way would have been very difficult in the first place considering the huge disparity in strength and weapon types. It would be akin to trying to parry a thrusting broadsword with a shortsword times like ten.

[GreivousKhan]

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It was a very different kind of post, more story driven and with more character emphasis than my usual more technical posts. The point was that Judgement would skewer his opponent if she tried to strike at him again because it was what he was made to do, and the risk to his own person was unimportant. Your character can hit Judgement if she wishes, but she can't just nonchalantly flick his blade away again, which by the way would have been very difficult in the first place considering the huge disparity in strength and weapon types. It would be akin to trying to parry a thrusting broadsword with a shortsword times like ten.

@MelonHead

There is a difference between parrying and blocking. The greater the difference in size and strength the easier it is to use that momentum against the attacker. If the person is skilled enough.

Also that whole segment about the spear outclassing the sword thing is total nonsensical bollocks just so you know. A spear has the advantage of reach on a sword, but if it was anything like you describe it to be. The world would have never have bothered producing the more expensive harder to train with sword. Thrust are faster than cuts (and more deadly) though are harder to land, but spear are not faster than swords, no weapon is inherently faster than another, as that's based entirely on the individual.

In HEMA they teach you, 'first comes the body, then comes the weapon' (and mind before that). Though I notice you only get that wsshing sound with a swords tip, never got a spears tip to move that fast without putting a whole lot of strength into it which would of course put you off balance.

[MelonHead]

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There is a difference between parrying and blocking. The greater the difference in size and strength the easier it is to use that momentum against the attacker. If the person is skilled enough.

Also that whole segment about the spear outclassing the sword thing is total nonsensical bollocks just so you know. A spear has the advantage of reach on a sword, but if it was anything like you describe it to be. The world would have never have bothered producing the more expensive harder to train with sword. Thrust are faster than cuts (and more deadly) though are harder to land, but spear are not faster than swords, no weapon is inherently faster than another, as that's based entirely on the individual.

In HEMA they teach you, 'first comes the body, then comes the weapon' (and mind before that). Though I notice you only get that wsshing sound with a swords tip, never got a spears tip to move that fast without putting a whole lot of strength into it which would of course put you off balance.

@GreivousKhan

The point of a spear is faster than the point of a sword like for like simply because it is supported by a longer base which can be manipulated faster, the spear does outclass the sword in the majority of situations that's just obvious, that doesn't mean it's better in every circumstance or situation, but it does mean it's better in a wide variety of contexts. The point is, the way Judgement is wielding his sword gives it a number of advantages similar to the spear (it loses out on reach and it can't cut as well, but that's really unimportant.) That's why half-swording was useful, it gave greater control and power for stabbing through armour plates, though in this case Judgement is using it to carefully skewer an opponent that is effortlessly ducking and weaving under every slash he attempts. He's essentially negating some of the weaknesses of his big sword by granting himself greater control.

Really the argument that a sword wouldn't be required if spears outclassed them makes very little sense. Why were pistols a thing when they are bested by the rifle in the vast majority of situations? They fill completely different niches, but if you were to ask someone who knows how to fight with spear and sword which they would prefer in the majority of situations they'd say the spear. That being said, the only real similarity between what Judgement is doing and a spear is the greater control and the speed with which he can move the point of his weapon around and menace his opponent.

[MelonHead]

In case you were wondering what those situations where it outclasses the sword were

1. Reach
2. Price
3. Training
4. Safety for user
5. Point speed (longer shaft allows for greater movement at the end with minimal movement from the blunt end, I'm unsure what the term for this would be, probably greater energy efficiency) Also, as is the case with Judgement, spears are particularly effective two handed weapons, and seem to be more easily recovered with after a strike than the majority of swords.

It's main weaknesses are obvious, but most aren't related to pitched combat.

1. Bigger, more cumbersome
2. Only dangerous at the point (unless it's double ended) (which is only really a weakness if your opponent -far- outclasses you, from what I've seen of multiple HEMA sparring videos with spear users fucking up sword users, especially ones without shields.)
3. Slightly more vulnerable to damage, though not much, it seems the shaft of a spear would actually be pretty difficult to shear through, and would likely get you killed.

Not sure you can really call all these factors 'nonsensical bollocks' regardless of how derogatory you're feeling.

[GreivousKhan]

You know you're doing and talking about recovery speed and not attack speed at all right?

[MelonHead]

You know you're doing and talking about recovery speed and not attack speed at all right?

@GreivousKhan

You could argue both are the same thing for a spear, recovery is a big part of feinting and manipulating a weapon before launching an attack, or rather manipulating the weapon into position for a strike is. In terms of how long the point of a spear takes to travel a distance in comparison to a sword if launched with the exact same amount of force I don't know if they would differ, I suspect the spear is probably more aerodynamic and that the point would probably move faster in that regard as well.

Regardless, what Judgement is ultimately doing is recovering and launching a strike again to outpace the sword with its sheer mobility alongside his supernatural strength, so it still ultimately applies. Although his weapon is gigantic he has the greater control over his sword because he is using two hands and thrusting with it, while his opponent is duel wielding which is a notoriously difficult and unreliable skill and attempting to parry his sword point, this time after moving in and committing to another strike at him.

This isn't even broaching the advantages of half swording, the specific action Judgement is carrying out, this is more of a justification of my spear beats sword remarks. Ironically in this specific situation if Judgement had a spear he'd be at a disadvantage because of its reach, but he's actually shortened the length of his sword by half swording, so he's lost the advantage of reach and gained a host of other good things.

[DJAtomika]

What did I just wake up to