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I'm guessing this is que for someone to make a time-lord character, Tis our only hope.


Well Dr.Archer has two hearts, so you could consider her a time lord, even though they aren't in her body, their her hearts now, and she is willing to take organs from cremates but don't worry only ones that aren't needed really.
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@WilsonTurnerI never said dreadnaughts were a form of battleship, I compared them to a battleship, that's about it. I never said fleets engaged a pirate ship, and a pirate ship can engage a scout vessel, even a light-cruiser if it felt so, depends on the pirate ship. A pirate ship could be anything, not just tiny little fighters and armed civilian ships. You make it seem like we can't move fast in space, this is supposed to be a far future, the ship the characters will be on uses lasers and faster than light warp drive. A ship could respond to a ship quickly and efficiently, especially if it is on standby, all it would need to do is align and jump to the situation. As for mobilization, if I may compare the ships in this reality to those in Halo, you can see how the Pillar of Autumn prepared itself for boarding in less than about 10 minutes, not to say they won, but that is irrelevant, and the Halo jump drives would be very rapid to charge and engage, they are also quick to charge in most other sci-fi games. As for weapons HITTING stuff, the weapons and all other systems have developed in proportion to the change of battlefield, lasers, tracking missiles, high-velocity ballistics, etc. High-grade ballistic tracking equipment already exists, so do ballistic predictors, so I can only assume they develop as well. As for his age, I suppose it is a bit young, but the situation of the equipment and the dreadnaught is fine, there's nothing wrong with it being called a dreadnaught, sounds better than battleship anyway. Though in a time of constant never ending war, there would be plenty of battles with the OPFOR, so I would assume he would be in combat at least 1 day a week, though I would find that as a commanding officer in the ranks, he would be constantly looking at a holoscreen commanding multiple battlegroups across a star system coordinating different battles all at one time, which would count him as the head commander of the battle. Generals can command multiple battles at once, so why can't this man? He would be leading multiple battles a day, for multiple days a week.
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I-is the argument done? Did s-someone die? No? Ok good...
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i did not say what his fleet fought. my other cs, and yours, mentions rebellions and mine was fairly recent, i don't know if anyone caught that it was an FTL reference but the rebellion was a full on civil war, in which Reed was still part of the navy for. engagements would be common during this time and moreso further into hostile space. and with friendly supply stations few and far between, taking hostile ones or scavenging from enemy ships becomes a necessity, he would seek out the rebel's cruisers and larger ships, fight them, and scavenge parts and fuel from them to keep his fleet moving. and the rebellion's forces are far less likely to retreat especially if they have ships that rival his fleet's

if you still have a problem with it PM me. i don't want this all over the ooc

EDIT: also, @Emma, i don't know if we can have multiple characters
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One second, I'm working all my responses into one post.

And btw- I am not angry. I am not flaming. I consider it to be legitimately inaccurate. By choosing to reply to me, you are acknowledging my disagreement and encouraging me to continue, which I will. I spent the majority of my first roleplays in the world of the internet on KeyGuyPerson's Star Empires- from there, I have gone from a crappy roleplayer with perfect characters and bullshitium armor and the, to nearly what I am now. And in that roleplay series, debate, argument, and discussion is very, very common because of the science fiction sandbox nature. Saying you can make whatever outlandish technologies one wants leads to disagreements because of the power of such technologies relative to each other.

Hence, my rather lengthy responses to rebuttals concerning things I don't agree with. The length and thoroughness I go to is mainly because of those Precipice of War [censored! :D] guys who endlessly and endlessly picked apart every single thing I said and pointed out all the wrong in them- so I started writing both to share my opinion and cover all the bases I am currently thinking of while writing.

@GodOfWar, you say flamewar, but I am not flaming. I am not intending to be disrespectful or rude. I am intending to correct what is, in my opinion, because that is all one can ever go on with fiction, illegitimate and unrealistic problems or characteristics.
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Here's an attempt at a character for you, let me here some thoughts. And yes, I know it's long-winded, and very much so.



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@WilsonTurnerPlease, stop the arguing for crying out loud, its irrelevant and irate. As for the flamewar, take a joke and chill out about the whole 783 victories thing, who cares, its sci-fi. This doesn't exactly need to be representative of reality. We aren't going to bicker about your CS, so just leaves our to par. Don't take that to offense. "I speak of peace between us, no sort of war involved."
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@GodOfWar, you say flamewar, but I am not flaming. I am not intending to be disrespectful or rude. I am intending to correct what is, in my opinion, because that is all one can ever go on with fiction, illegitimate and unrealistic problems or characteristics.


I apologize, I had no intentions of accusing you of flame war, and I hope it didn't come across too strongly if it seemed I did. I was only trying to add a little humor to the current friendly argument. Again, I apologize for my wrong-timed meme. No hard feelings?

Here's an attempt at a character for you, let me here some thoughts. And yes, I know it's long-winded, and very much so.



ERMAHGAWD. You used imperial guardsman pics in your CS! :D

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@WilsonTurner Your not the GM, you have no reason to judge anyone's CS or post.







Since I am based in America, and I inhabit it's arrogance into the internet, I say: Freedom of Speech.

And also- we are human beings. We will judge every single thing there is, regardless if it's snotty conscious judging or if it's unconscious. I don't care if you're religious, nonreligious, a plain ol' good person, or a plain ol' bad person. Everyone does it, and everyone will do it until we change our biology to be otherwise.

There are many times when, if I have a conscious judgement, I will say nothing and simply ignore it, push it aside, or let it influence me. But there are some things which I will most certainly not stay silent about. Consider me honest in that way.

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Well Dr.Archer has two hearts, so you could consider her a time lord, even though they aren't in her body, their her hearts now, and she is willing to take organs from cremates but don't worry only ones that aren't needed really.


My character- who is not accepted yet- was born in the early days of interplanetary travel- that is, before FTL or even close to FTL travel. And he's still alive.

@MrMinerGuy142
First of all- as a part-time Grammar Nazi, you need to space out your words. That giant block of words is painful and hard to read- each topic has its own paragraph. Like so- I am saying that you have something grammar-y that you should correct- you don't have to, of course- and so this paragraph is entirely dedicated to one thing- the grammar that you should fix to be a better writer and etc. etc.

A "Battleship" was a type of ship that was designated when a series of ships designated "superdreadnoughts" became better than a "superdreadnought," thus making a "Battleship" theoretically better than a "superdreadnought." In theory, a "battleship" is superior to a "dreadnought," since the "battleship" was built as the next level of "dreadnought." However, it's often used in science fiction as dreadnoughts being great big bullet sponges with really big guns, with battleships being the step below them, or equal to them, just with more focus on big guns than big armor.

A pirate vessel would be fool to engage any Navy ship unless it absolutely had to, or had almost all advantages- such as eliminating that ship's reinforcement capability. If a pirate vessel engaged a light ship, and that light ship didn't run, it's likely because that light ship just called for backup. Pirates, while they may certainly lack more civilized aspects, cannot afford to be stupid. They have very few friends, and must be wary and cautious, especially in times of advanced technology. Now, I know in FTL every single ship you come across will attack you unless they are really, truly friendly. But this is not FTL- and things are not balanced in real life like they are in games. Even FTL is balanced compared to real life- I know that there are plenty of times when there is quite literally no way to escape a hostile ship because it's so unbalanced. But most of the time- it's always like that.

@MrMinerGuy142 Second Post [recent]:
A) I am not arguing. Disagreeing and giving a lengthy response is not arguing, or flaming. If I were cursing and saying that you are most [insert insulting word] ever, then yes, indeed, I would be. But I'm not.
B) See, some people might say, "who cares, it's [subject]," but that's them- others aren't "who cares," they have a very large passion for it, and don't like a handwavium response. They might like details and facts- I would say, "who cares, it's cars," even though my dad loves cars so much that he's bought them, fixed them, raced them, drove them. I don't care much about cars, even though I kinda like them. But my dad absolutely loves cars, spends all his times on cars, and learns all he can about all the cars he finds interesting- which are most cars. So saying, "who cares," is rather rude to people who actually care. See what I mean? And before you call this flaming- I am not angry, I am annoyed (as anyone can be), and I am responding reasonably and without insult or anger.
C) I am not taking offense.

@MrMinerGuy142 First Post/CS [recent]:
My personal opinion is that he looks like a cool guy. I don't see anything that I'd disagree with, except for one thing.

Just that swords, even very large sharp ones, would be largely ineffective, if someone had a taser (which could, nowadays, be a simple wrist-device) or somesuch. It might be that you aren't actually using the really large sword (which, with that size, would actually hinder combat inside a starship or inside a building), but that's just me saying this just in case.

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I've had bad experiences with flamewars- being the one people are flaming at, the one that is flaming at others, and as one that has joined in, or has flamed at someone else because of their less-flaming responses. I hold nothing against you- if I were flaming, I would. But I'm not, so I'm not holding anything against you... See?

[@all]
Just because I am posting long-winded and thorough does not mean I am flaming, arguing, or very heatedly discussing. It means, that I am being thorough and longwinded. I believe something to be illegitimate or unreasonable, and I am saying so. Because no one is taking me serious and is just handwaving it away, I am reinforcing my point more until its paid attention to- if you had ignored me entirely, I would've either stopped entirely and not bothered, or I would've actually become angry and responded accordingly. I love science fiction- very much so. I love details and realism in this otherwise unrealistic possible world of the future. The things that make it seem like it could very much become real- not just a superfusion reactor that works because it does. Rather, a very powerful reactor that creates energy through a chamber that combines antimatter and its opposite matter to collect the burst of energy that comes when antimatter and matter react to each other and annihilate each other.

I've lost track on whether or not I haven't replied to something else that was meant for me, or that I was going to reply to. Either way, these are my responses. Again, since it needs to be reinforced so very often- I am not flaming. I am being thorough in my responses, because no one is taking me seriously. Because no one is taking me seriously, I am responding by elaborating more.
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@WilsonTurner, I very well appreciate your throughness, and thank you for not holding grudges and/or angry responses toward us other RPers (especially me ^^). I totally understand your view point and how you would like any fellow players to acknowledge your suggestions and critism. I personally believe critism and other forms of interpersonal correction is healthy for any group. Now that this seems to be sorted out, I'm gonna go sit in my corner with my potato chips...
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@WilsonTurnerWhen you talk about spacing, do you mean my CS, cause I'll space that out. Also, don't hate on meh sword, let's just say it's an NCO sword, as the Federal Armed Forces had some historical representation in them (as such is why there is also a flag in the middle of the battlefield.)

As for not arguing, just saying what I disagree with. I say this: "......"

As for everything else, TL;DR, sorry, not speaking on the whole ship thing. We aren't even going to see the ships anyway. Though I did skim it slightly, and pirates would engage ships of the navy, look at Somalia. :) (Though the idea of the pirates that I think of is from the indie game Faster Than Light, where as a military cruiser, you'll mainly either fight rebel scouts or pirates.)

Honestly though, I think I'm done with this debate. Can we just bury in the dirt please? Thank you.

EDIT: Read your post a bit more and noticed you mentioned FTL. -_- Now don't I look like a dingus.
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@MrMinerGuy142
I've played it (FTL) for about ten hours total, which is about 29 playthroughs, according to the stats.

Congratulations, you lightly defended your side and then immediately gave up when I simultaneously responded to as much as I possibly could without putting it in word and colorcoding everything and putting all the sections beneath specific headers, for clarification for myself as I wrote and reviewed.

You're saying an independent ship moving through space without a commanding officer would be attacked by pirates- which is true. But a ship that's outlying and in constant communication a mother fleet would be much less likely to be attacked.

Also, there is historical representation in carrying a cutlass into battle- they were used all the way up until charging with a sword failed six times out of seven, and resulted in heavy losses to the sword-wielders every time. You can't block a shotgun, see. And a shotgun can be fired from much farther away than a sword, while managing to be a variety of sizes with different powers. A shotgun can act as a rifle, without a stock and with a short barrel, as a shorter-ranged rifle that's easier to fire than a bolt action. Or, it can act as a spray-and-pray weapon, such as an automatic shotgun, that can tear apart anything in front of it, regardless of body armor or shield. In this age, there could also be energy weapons that's simply a burst of paralyzing energy, nonlethal but effective, which would be almost impossible to dodge unless you weren't in its range in the first place.
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Stop the pointless babble WilsonTurner.
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Stop the pointless babble WilsonTurner.


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You're being very ineffective at stopping something that is calling for reason and attention to oneself's reasons. Telling me to shut up and calling what I clearly to believe to be relevant in some way as 'pointless babble' is the same as using a shovel to cut through stone in Minecraft.
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@Emma Stop your gonna make this worse if you call it pointless, even though it's starting to see like it.

@WilsonTurner@MrMinerGuy142 Listen up you guys, I know your both gonna continue even if someone tells you to stop, take this to the pms if you haven't already because your gonna scare off people from the rp if you continue this here, this won't end till one of you gets tired of this argument, so please if you don't mind please take this to the pms because all your doing is filling the ooc with post of your argument and lashing out at others wanting to stop it.
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Yeah, I've already seen that little is to be gained from trying to get my point across. Nothing has been changed, or will be changed, methinks. I cede my case.

And I am not lashing- good Emma here insulted my... work, in its form, and was rude. And has been that kind of sideline person that's been glaring at me the entire 'match' of the 'game,' so to speak.

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Also, sorry I didn't reply to that bit before-
When I said spacing, I meant your response 4 hours ago from now. It was just a big block of text, no paragraph spacing or nothing. It's hard to read and if you lose track halfway through, it can be difficult to find one's place again in any speed, compared to when someone uses paragraph spacing often, like myself.
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And I am not lashing- good Emma here insulted my... work, in its form, and was rude. And has been that kind of sideline person that's been glaring at me the entire 'match' of the 'game,' so to speak.

Not necessarily glaring, more like eye rolling, and silently judging you.

---All Done, you'll hear nothing more from me!


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....You're not the GM, you have no reason to judge anyone...


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