[OOC] Nexus of Worlds- Final Round

[Skallagrim]

Remember three days of inactivity last poster wins. I don't care if you guys post at the 48 hour limit as long as you don't let it die due to no activity. I would hate to award the win in such a manner.

[GreivousKhan]

Six post in, I assume the wind effect will kick in now.

Anyone ever see that video of that guy cutting a bullet out of the air? Badass.

[MelonHead]

Your character was lucky, had Metz been preparing to use any of his pillar spells standing still would have been the worst thing to do. Convenient though.

Also I'm pretty glad the environment changing shard is a thing, otherwise that dust cloud was pretty much GG.

[GreivousKhan]

Tablurath is scary like that.

Well you are already doing better than that Raelis fellow.

[MelonHead]

Tablurath is scary like that.

Well you are already doing better than that Raelis fellow.

@GreivousKhan

Good to know.

Before an argument can arise, I think it would be fair to say your swords shouldn't be able to cut through the rock Metz manipulates. I could buy the swords effect working on fire water or air pillars, if they cut the power source away, however the earth circle works from the bottom and then the momentum carries it up, its not a continuous effect and the rock summoned is ultimately just ordinary rock. (Just read the swords cs, apparently they can cut through rock, but I'm assuming there is a certain degree of realism to how far they can cut through solid rock, seeing as how it's less about sharpness and more about force and your character doesn't seem to have excessively superhuman strength.)

Also, you may have picked it up in the last fight, but the way Metz' pillar spell interacts is that he pictures a spot in his mind and then casts the spell with the desired effect, the magic only enters the spot he has chosen once the spell is finished and has no prior signature there until that point. Once it's placed you can see it with your magical sight, or when it's in his hand, but you could probably guess both those things without magic sensing.

[GreivousKhan]

I think I explained to yoshua171 that his strands of the Omniverse he cuts the threads that caused or allowed it to exist. Which is why they cease to exist (he basically cuts it from the history books literally.) It only effects magical effects though, so it can't cut a person from existence or anything just from the sword touching them(I mention that much anyway in the CS). He also sees the flow of energy to where it will be in the from of threads. Though I do consider each pillar or stone a separate thread of magic.

Wow, Metz talks even more than Tablurath. :K

[MelonHead]

I think I explained to yoshua171 that his strands of the Omniverse he cuts the threads that caused or allowed it to exist. Which is why they cease to exist (he basically cuts it from the history books literally.) It only effects magical effects though, so it can't cut a person from existence or anything just from the sword touching them(I mention that much anyway in the CS). He also sees the flow of energy to where it will be in the from of threads. Though I do consider each pillar or stone a separate thread of magic.

Wow, Metz talks even more than Tablurath. :K

@GreivousKhan

What I'm saying is that the rock itself isn't magical, it's actual rock from the ground being moved by magic. Sort of like how you couldn't just make all the shards of rock dissapear just because they'd been given momentum by a lightning bolt. It's the inherent weakness in 'magic immune' characters and the like, at least the way I see it. Magic can be used directly, or it can be used indirectly, for example by throwing a boulder at someone. You can't be immune to a boulder being thrown at you, and once the magic has transferred into momentum it's not magical in nature anymore.

Which essentially makes the Rock Pillar immune to your magic cutting effect once activated.

Metz is somewhat unhinged, he talks to himself a lot, one of the side effects of Black Mana use.

[MelonHead]

This is just a hypothetical anyway, but it's worth sorting out some ground rules as we're working with different ideas of magic. I think I have some right to what can and can't be effected by your power, as you used the exact same argument against me when you used nether energy and said it was immune to being energy drained by Fury. My circles have a lot of limitations on their usage, it wouldn't be all that fair if after all the work I have to put in to use them you can cut through them willy nilly.

[MelonHead]

Hmm, might have to sleep on this one. Couple things though.

1. What affect is gravity having? Presumably it's doubling the exertion of Flash-Point, as it's usually carried out without training weights and the gravity of the world is the equivalent of your character having his weights.

2. How did he get in the air using Flash-Point? Presumably the idea is that he can run really fast, not really sure how this translates to ending up thirteen feet in the air unless he can also jump with immense force, which leaves the question of how he isn't flying into the stratosphere. I can buy Flash-Point working on the ground, sort of, but in the air it seems dubious that he can cancel all that momentum. It might as well be a teleportation spell at that point, which is a pretty high tier power for this level.

3. You mentioned the sword was 'spinning' towards Metz, presumably that means its not hitting him hilt first? What part of the blade would be facing towards him if he remained stock still?

Also, as the blades were being kept in the air by some sort of spinning cog thing I don't claim to understand, now that two have left wouldn't the remaining two hit the ground? Can't remember what happened to them.

I'll have a reply tomorrow, but I would like an answer to question 2 and 3, question 1 is ultimately your decision much like me deciding when Metz has ran out of Mana, but Flash Point is a potentially devastating skill, I'd at least like to know if it has any discernible limits, much like Metz being unable to maintain that many spells.

[Skallagrim]

Ruling- The rock is natural and not magic. Magic manipulates a natural substance. Since cutting things magic or otherwise from existence can be abused. You by virtue of your explanation cannot cut a natural substance, only the magic that manipulates it. As such it falls under a targeted hit and all rules pertaining to it.

Ruling- You need to describe how you became airborne. If you do not describe how an action occurs it can be discarded as void.

[GreivousKhan]

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What I'm saying is that the rock itself isn't magical, it's actual rock from the ground being moved by magic. Sort of like how you couldn't just make all the shards of rock dissapear just because they'd been given momentum by a lightning bolt. It's the inherent weakness in 'magic immune' characters and the like, at least the way I see it. Magic can be used directly, or it can be used indirectly, for example by throwing a boulder at someone. You can't be immune to a boulder being thrown at you, and once the magic has transferred into momentum it's not magical in nature anymore.

Which essentially makes the Rock Pillar immune to your magic cutting effect once activated.

Metz is somewhat unhinged, he talks to himself a lot, one of the side effects of Black Mana use.

@MelonHead

Well yes, what I was saying was the threads of magic is cut away from the effects history. If the magic never happened the conjuration or evocation never occurred. Thus the paradox that causes it to collapse.

But his Earth Pillar won't have that to worry about, he did see the first match so he won't be going anywhere near it.

Hmm, might have to sleep on this one. Couple things though.

1. What affect is gravity having? Presumably it's doubling the exertion of Flash-Point, as it's usually carried out without training weights and the gravity of the world is the equivalent of your character having his weights.

2. How did he get in the air using Flash-Point? Presumably the idea is that he can run really fast, not really sure how this translates to ending up thirteen feet in the air unless he can also jump with immense force, which leaves the question of how he isn't flying into the stratosphere. I can buy Flash-Point working on the ground, sort of, but in the air it seems dubious that he can cancel all that momentum. It might as well be a teleportation spell at that point, which is a pretty high tier power for this level.

3. You mentioned the sword was 'spinning' towards Metz, presumably that means its not hitting him hilt first? What part of the blade would be facing towards him if he remained stock still?

Also, as the blades were being kept in the air by some sort of spinning cog thing I don't claim to understand, now that two have left wouldn't the remaining two hit the ground? Can't remember what happened to them.

I'll have a reply tomorrow, but I would like an answer to question 2 and 3, question 1 is ultimately your decision much like me deciding when Metz has ran out of Mana, but Flash Point is a potentially devastating skill, I'd at least like to know if it has any discernible limits, much like Metz being unable to maintain that many spells.

@MelonHead

1. His weights are equivalent to three times gravity (probably more since each weight is almost half his body weight). So they require more energy here so he uses it sparingly.

2. He sheds all the extra momentum into his Swords, which is part of the reason why he can only flash point to them. It's how he can stop from march speeds at a drop of a hat. As long as he has a clear path he can reach a spot. Think of it as pseudo teleportation with allot of requirements. He basically just jumped and caught it.

3. He hit it and aimed it in such a way it would hit him blade first if he did not move from his standing position now.

And yes the first sword pair hit the ground, two are spinning like a wheel on either side of him.

[MelonHead]

So how exactly is Tab equipped at the moment? He just threw a clone sword with his right hand, so I assumed it was empty, but now he's striking with one of his swords in his right hand. Is he duel wielding or is he equipped with just one sword that is currently in his right hand? If so, when did he make the changeover, I'm not entirely clear.

Also, just to be clear how exactly is he striking? I'm not familiar with a 'raft cut' and neither is my clever friend google. Is he striking from his right to his left diangolly downwards? If so I'm unsure how he's targeting Metz' right hand side, as it seems his sword would impact Metz' left hand side in that scenario, or his head/neck, before it reached his right shoulder.

[GreivousKhan]

So how exactly is Tab equipped at the moment? He just threw a clone sword with his right hand, so I assumed it was empty, but now he's striking with one of his swords in his right hand. Is he duel wielding or is he equipped with just one sword that is currently in his right hand? If so, when did he make the changeover, I'm not entirely clear.

@MelonHead

He throw with his left hand over his extended right arm, I might have repeated myself by accident. Strange I thought I was very thorough with spell checks and the like.

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This left his right shoulder facing his opponent. He tapped Serenity against its clone he had caught earlier in his jump. The mibs within it reconstructing to hold their current form. The Cardinal then whirled the single edged blade around to an underhand grip and reared back his left hand. He read the threads of pulsing power, taking aim, finding now a second focal point of intersecting energy like a living artery.

Holding his right arm forward and down he waited as the storm began to die down. The winds slowing gradually before finally ceasing altogether. In that small window before the sand had fallen back to the ground once again Tablurath struck. Throwing his cloned sword like a javelin aimed for the mage’s left leg. Coming in at a slight downward angle to take advantage of the increased gravity. The incoming blade would become visible through the dust only a few feet away just as the sand cleared. Likely giving his opponent little to no time to respond before it impaled his leg and stuck into the sand behind in one blow. At only fifteen feet away Tablurath was basically in point blank range, having positioned himself so that the sun was at his back its light shining down in his opponents direction. His body remained tense and ready to bolt forward depending how his opponent reacted.

Nope, says his left hand is the one ready to throw. I suppose I could have added it had been thrown afterwards to clarify.

[MelonHead]

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He throw with his left hand over his extended right arm, I might have repeated myself by accident. Strange I thought I was very thorough with spell checks and the like.

@GreivousKhan

Hmm, when I posted I remembered it being from his right, maybe you changed it while I was writing or maybe I just misunderstood. It's not that important, I'm more interested in how he's striking with his sword and ensuring he's not duel wielding at the moment.

[GreivousKhan]

At the moment he has thrown the clone so he only has Serenity in hand. I usually use the name of the weapon to defer it from the cloned weapons. Which have no names.

[MelonHead]

At the moment he has thrown the clone so he only has Serenity in hand. I usually use the name of the weapon to defer it from the cloned weapons. Which have no names.

@GreivousKhan

That's fine, so in regards to my question of the strike am I right in assuming he's launching a downwards strike from -his- right to -his- left? It's not necessarily clear which way the attack is going. I'd have though the other way would make more sense as he's trying to attack Metz' right shoulder, but that would then be counter-active to the direction his momentum is going when he turned with his right foot forward.

[GreivousKhan]

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That's fine, so in regards to my question of the strike am I right in assuming he's launching a downwards strike from -his- right to -his- left? It's not necessarily clear which way the attack is going. I'd have though the other way would make more sense as he's trying to attack Metz' right shoulder, but that would then be counter-active to the direction his momentum is going when he turned with his right foot forward.

@MelonHead

His right down toward his left yes. I think Skalla' guide had a name for all the positions you can strike from. To lazy to look it up now.

Also I imagined you would be facing me right side on for some reason, I'm not actually sure how Metz is standing ATM.

[MelonHead]

Metz is crouching with his left foot further back than his right, especially after being hit by the sword, so I guess it's about right.

Alright no moar edits, I'm writing from the current situation.

[GreivousKhan]

Metz is crouching with his left foot further back than his right, especially after being hit by the sword, so I guess it's about right.

Alright no moar edits, I'm writing from the current situation.

@MelonHead

Well I made it more clear saying it would hit the left side of where his neck meets his shoulder.

His last position I probably overlooked since its at the start of the post. I always like to end mine with current pose at the finish.

[MelonHead]

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Well I made it more clear saying it would hit the left side of where his neck meets his shoulder.

@GreivousKhan

Alright.