[OOC] The Sun Will Never Set (Reboot)

[Cyclone]

On a different note what are everyone's thoughts on races?
I beleive we never wrote a profile on dwarves and gnomes, for example.
And even above that, are all the various races can interbreed with each other?
I mean can half-dwarves, half-trolls, half-gnomes and such exist?
I am pretty sure fairy halfbreeds are impossible, both on the genetical or even the physical level.

@Willy Vereb

I have gnomes and dwarves and will write about them. Gnomes definitely can't interbreed, but maybe dwarves could. I'm undecided.

[Isotope]

My nation is pretty solidly Human, though it seems a entire ethnicity than most around (given Moravians are usually darker skinned).

And I made a Verenden Air Force Flag!

[ZB1996]

On a different note what are everyone's thoughts on races?
I beleive we never wrote a profile on dwarves and gnomes, for example.
And even above that, are all the various races can interbreed with each other?
I mean can half-dwarves, half-trolls, half-gnomes and such exist?
I am pretty sure fairy halfbreeds are impossible, both on the genetical or even the physical level.

@Willy Vereb

I'd like there to be there to be interbreeding. Interspecies romance/marriage will eventually become a major domestic issue in my nation, although it will probably be outside the timeline of this RP before this is realized to any meaningful extent.

[Willy Vereb]

Half-Elves

Humans and elves are capable of interbreeding, siring a half-elf. Albeit 9 out of 10 such pregnancies generally result in a miscarriage and may even threaten the mother's life. There are several complications like the half-elven child being too much of a burden on an elven mother or in reverse the child requiring and producing chemicals which the human mother doesn't have. Yet scientists found out these problems are minor compared to what came down to simple compatibility. A percentage of elven population and a percentage of human population are capable of successfully siring an offspring. Even among them there are people with high chance of conceiving a halfbreed and those who may succeed but the risks are higher. Studies show there's no clear cutoff line. Since genetics are only at the developing stage Yllendthyr has no known means to identify an "ideal mate" neither the current government is interested in such research.

That is because the topic of half-elves is a sorts of taboo. Officially no half-elves exist in Yllendthyr. They're either classified as humans or elves within the records. Half-elves of noble birth retain their status while others are considered the same as humans. if not worse. Half-elves of low status are outcasts, often shunned by both humans and elves alike. Albeit there's a certain way to change that. Half-elves who marry into noble families or otherwise gain fame or higher status can earn the right to become "honorary elves" thus jumping straight up on the social ladder. As such many half-elves pursue military career and they're often rather good at it. Half-elves can randomly inherit the abilities of both elves and humans, they're a mosaic race of both. As such it's possible for a half-elf to inherit a human's strong physique along with the senses and physiology of his elven ancestor, albeit certainly not the norm. Half-elven lifespan is difficult to determine. In general it lies somewhere between that of a human and elf. Although it worths noting that their mixed genes make half-elves susceptible to some quite dangerous genetic disorders.

Well, there's at least one pair of races who'll be capable of that.

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I'd like there to be there to be interbreeding. Interspecies romance/marriage will eventually become a major domestic issue in my nation, although it will probably be outside the timeline of this RP before this is realized to any meaningful extent.

@ZB1996

[ClocktowerEchos]

I'm still on the fence about half-Zensan. I know that the relationships will definately occur but not sure about anything else

[Cyclone]

@Willy Vereb

Half elves make no sense at all, at least if elves are still supposedly descended form birds rather than primates like in the last RP. Especially with the different muscular and bone structures, and whatever causes them to live so long.

The only reason I am considering making half dwarves a possibility is because humans managed to breed with neanderthals and my dwarves aren't too physiologically different from humans.

[Isotope]

I'm still on the fence about half-Zensan. I know that the relationships will definately occur but not sure about anything else

@ClocktowerEchos

I mean, your people are pretty close to humans, closer than elves certainly.

[ZB1996]

@Cyclone

Well, if we're going to take the scientific as opposed to the scientific approach, no species should then be able to interbreed.

[Willy Vereb]

@Willy Vereb

Half elves make no sense at all, at least if elves are still supposedly descended form birds rather than primates like in the last RP. Especially with the different muscular and bone structures, and whatever causes them to live so long.

The only reason I am considering making half dwarves a possibility is because humans managed to breed with neanderthals and my dwarves aren't too physiologically different from humans.

@Cyclone

Elven genetics are a mess, that's why it's possible.
Even though they have bird ancestry they look like thin tall humans with pointed ears.
Out of character reason is because they are the most common halfbreed in fantasy and because they add a touch of complexity into things.
Why do you think I have 4 different army systems in my country? Certainly not out of any sorts of practicality.
Hell, this doesn't even include Galhonore's own military which is just as much of a mess.

[Isotope]

Yeah, frankly I think we should just handwave it and make it possible for most species.

Why? Because it creates a potential story element.

[Gig]

I've already finished my bio for half fairies

Half-Fay

Completely impossible both physically and genetically

[ClocktowerEchos]

Why do you think I have 4 different army systems in my country? Certainly not out of any sorts of practicality.

@Willy Vereb

This is what I think some people in NRP in general miss, if everyone goes about creating a finely tuned utopia, I feel the nation is blander than if things were purposely inefficient or fucked up for style.

[ZB1996]

Yeah, frankly I think we should just handwave it and make it possible for most species.

Why? Because it creates a potential story element.

@Isotope

Agreed.

[Cyclone]

@Cyclone

Well, if we're going to take the scientific as opposed to the scientific approach, no species should then be able to interbreed.

@ZB1996

If the species in question is really close to human (like with dwarves) it's reasonable. Half trolls push it, and half-orc or something would just be ridiculous.

Yeah, frankly I think we should just handwave it and make it possible for most species.

Why? Because it creates a potential story element.

@Isotope

Half breeds have always been something that have irked me in fantasy, so I'm probably going to remain opposed to this regardless. Why not just have ethnic tension within your species (I'm doing that with two main ethnic groups for the humans in Moravia) or something like sexism (also in the Commonwealth, and something that will probably lead to a diplomatic faux pas or ten with the nations that have female leaders)?

[Gig]

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If the species in question is really close to human (like with dwarves) it's reasonable. Half trolls push it, and half-orc or something would just be ridiculous.

@Cyclone

Troll's aren't even mammals while Orcs are so why is it impossible for there to be Half-Orcs but not impossible for Half-Trolls ?

[Cyclone]

<Snipped quote by Cyclone>Troll's aren't even mammals while Orcs are so why is it impossible for there to be Half-Orcs but not impossible for Half-Trolls ?

@Gig

I had forgotten that detail from your sheet, so I retract that statement. It'd be impossible for either to cross breed if we're going for any amount of realism.

[Gig]

I'm personally fine with half breed species, so long as they aren't completely ridicules like Half-fairy. Hybrid species don't make sense in real life since even if the hybrid child survived they would be sterile and would suffer from horrible genetic instabilities.

But this is a fantasy setting so why now ?

[Isotope]

I mean, Humans, Zensensashi, and Valkyerians (though a little bit less so for the Valks) are more or less the same.

And the other things are less relevant in my nation, which descends from five port cities with a large merchant and trader demographic mixing all sorts of people. That said, my people are very heavy on the Human demographic, and tend to look down on other species that they see as lesser.

[Willy Vereb]

Another suggestion, can we change tungsten to adamantine?
Basically it has nearly the same properties as tungsten (albeit literally diamond-hard) but in our world it's called Adamantine. Otherwise it's roughly as rare as real life tungsten and perhaps we'll see them in composite shells in later war cannon munitions.
There'd be another material called Adamantium which is a type of adamantine alloy created by dwarves. It's dense and hard but also has some more elasticity thus it's more enduring overall.
Dwarves guard the secret to the proper creation of this alloy and technically each clan has their own variation on Adamantium (with various minor differences).

What do you think?

[Isotope]

I don't like it, makes it impossible for nations without dwarves or racist attitudes towards them to get tungsten/adamantite.

Tungsten is a material that is only going to get more important as time goes on, and already is important by ww2 standards.