[OOC] Civil Space (More Space NRPs)

[ClocktowerEchos]

-Ryukyu: The citizens of the State are sympathetic to Ryukyu, it is familiar, like it was before the State came to be: A supreme leader heading a militaristic and socialist state with control over the heavy industry to sustain war but little else. While the State acts cordially it still prefers to limit interaction from their people with those, by fear of reawakening old ideas within the population.

@Wernher

Objection, Ryukyu isn't meant to be militaristic. They have recent military reforms but military isn't their national focus. Even just looking at their ships, they only have one real warship, everything else is either multi-use for both military and civilian use or just converted. I choose gauss-based weapons since it would make the most sense in regards to mining.

I don't plan to use them as an offensive attack force, most likely they'd be part of some relief effort of a war zone which even in that case, they would be more back line recovery units. The only way I actually see Ryukyu attacking other players is if they get called into war via alliances. Their industry is to produce and develop, not to sustain a war.

[Wernher]

"As of the last yearly census, roughly 20% of the population is serving in active military roles with about half the population, including the 20%, acting as reserves. These numbers are derived from conscription policies which eligible males and females have to serve a set amount of time in the military. It should be noted the numbers include non-combat roles like military police, guardsmen, medical personnel, hospitality corps, etc."

20% active military, with 30 more percent acting as reserve, half the population is linked to the army, along this you have an emperor with 100% authority on everything. The way my people see it, if one night said emperor decides to go to war, then it's nation needs 0 buildup and 0 preparation to launch an invasion the very next morning.

[Willy Vereb]

@Willy Vereb That's been done before, give everyone whatever they want. Even if it isn't overly powered, in the roleplay there are excuses, which can be reasonable, to say 'mine is better, which is why they die. If they say they are better, they are OP'

I'd rather have a stable system called a munchkin system, than an unstable system die.

Keyguy has witnessed such a thing multiple times. Wilson has been victim to it several times. I'm sure Terminal and Alfhedil have seen it enough.

I am not saying their roleplays were bad, I'm saying the players were.

Willy, if you don't like the system, please don't get involved. This whole system is experimental and was ONLY made because people HAVE to have all out wars. For one, I am extremely tired of the Nations that belittle another because of power.

@Cale Tucker

@Willy Vereb That's been done before, give everyone whatever they want. Even if it isn't overly powered, in the roleplay there are excuses, which can be reasonable, to say 'mine is better, which is why they die. If they say they are better, they are OP'

I'd rather have a stable system called a munchkin system, than an unstable system die.

Keyguy has witnessed such a thing multiple times. Wilson has been victim to it several times. I'm sure Terminal and Alfhedil have seen it enough.

I am not saying their roleplays were bad, I'm saying the players were.

Willy, if you don't like the system, please don't get involved. This whole system is experimental and was ONLY made because people HAVE to have all out wars. For one, I am extremely tired of the Nations that belittle another because of power.

@Cale Tucker

I rather not turn this into a poisonous debate so I only give you a few flying mention.
Nope, most of the categories are practically interchangeable. Laser IS radiation, for starters. If you have a shield which tanks these powerful lasers, you can resist nukes in space (given if they are at similar levels of power). Radiation is irrelevant compared to the levels of energies we'll be throwing at each other.
What you list under biological weapons share nothing in common (poison, radiation, heat and plasma).
And lastly EMP or ionic energy is no magic. EMP in particular is just poor man's charged particle weapon. They don't just magically shut down electronics any more than any other DEW does.
So yeah, there are many issues. Besides, the way it's worded is a blatant rock paper scissors system.
Although the way you state it would make it different but then there's no point for the weapon/defense pairings to begin with.

And nope, I still don't think powergaming ruined any of the recent Space NRPs. It was apathy. People had fun in creating their NS but they got busy and it starts a chain reaction spiraling downwards until the game turns into a graveyard void of any decent activity.
And if somebody is on a powertrip? Shoot him down. GMs could do something once in a while.

These are my last comments on the matter. In order to prevent escalation I refuse to continue this debate further.
I wish you have fun with the game. Depending on how much free time I get I may or may not take part in it.

[King Solterra]

@Wernher It might be good to watch C.E., things might change under a new, uncorrupt Emperor

[ClocktowerEchos]

"As of the last yearly census, roughly 20% of the population is serving in active military roles with about half the population, including the 20%, acting as reserves. These numbers are derived from conscription policies which eligible males and females have to serve a set amount of time in the military. It should be noted the numbers include non-combat roles like military police, guardsmen, medical personnel, hospitality corps, etc."

20% active military, with 30 more percent acting as reserve, half the population is linked to the army, along this you have an emperor with 100% authority on everything. The way my people see it, if one night said emperor decides to go to war, then it's nation needs 0 buildup and 0 preparation to launch an invasion the very next morning.

@Wernher

Hmmm... I'll be changing some numbers then.

However, I did state that it includes all of the other support staff which in Ryukyu is a pretty sizable number tho.

[Wernher]

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Hmmm... I'll be changing some numbers then.

However, I did state that it includes all of the other support staff which in Ryukyu is a pretty sizable number tho.

@ClocktowerEchos

Well...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie..

Might just be wikipedia, but according to that North Korea has 30% soldiers (And yes, military personal includes support staff) and that includes paramilitary.

US is 0.7% of population soldier, and it's the most powerful army around with soldiers all over the globe.

[ClocktowerEchos]

@Wernher

The US is a nation more or less on one content, not an Empire that covers a system of multiple planets. There's going to be a difference between numbers. I'll take a gander and say that most nations here will have much higher numbers of troops than >1% considering they have a system and subsequently a galaxy to watch over is the Super Space Consul Union of Diplomacy and Rainbows sends UN-esque peacekeepers to places.

[Wernher]

@Wernher

The US is a nation more or less on one content, not an Empire that covers a system of multiple planets. There's going to be a difference between numbers. I'll take a gander and say that most nations here will have much higher numbers of troops than >1% considering they have a system and subsequently a galaxy to watch over is the Super Space Consul Union of Diplomacy and Rainbows sends UN-esque peacekeepers to places.

@ClocktowerEchos

No.

It's based on percentage.

So sure, the US is a continental army (more or less) so it has 1,361,755 active soldiers for 318.9 million people. Let's say the US had... 7 billion people! It would mean a bigger army. About 49 million people. So yes, it's bigger... but the percentage doesn't actually change. I mean, look at the statistics: All the countries that have high percentages of soldiers either expect war (North korea, singapor, Israel, etc) or have a strong military service history (Findland).

In fact, saying that the UBER UN is here, actually makes it less likely that we'd have more soldiers. Uber UN is uber, right? So we're safe so we don't need soldiers. I mean we, because you and I are minor nations, not important ones.

I plan on having a over 1% "army", but that's because I expect war at some point. The cost of employing an enormous army is crushing (As seen in north korea) and as they say... you only buy something you intend to use at some point. But hey, I don't mind, maybe the galaxy is trapped in a slowly rising cold war and 5% or 10% soldiers is normal now. But look at the AUO. "0.02% or even less of the main population is considered military". That's just a little under what Japan has right now, and it's next to China.

[King Solterra]

@ClocktowerEchos@Wernher

I use clones, so technically I have about less than 1% pop in the military, but that doesn't mean I'm not highly militaristic

I point this out because I think that makes me excluded from the comparison

Edit; wait, who's the UN?? AGR? AGR's space station is defended by multiple races, with no specific affiliation and they don't send out fleets and such. Their jurisdiction is the space station. It's whether people agree to its position and status whether it has any authority.

[ClocktowerEchos]

In fact, saying that the UBER UN is here, actually makes it less likely that we'd have more soldiers. Uber UN is uber, right? So we're safe so we don't need soldiers. I mean we, because you and I are minor nations, not important ones.

@Wernher

Alright, this is just plain aggravating to me. Saying that minor or smaller nations don't need an army and are unimportant is self demeaning thinking. For example, Korea and Uzbekistan, the latter is much larger than the former but yet most people would confuse Uzbekistan with the Caspian Sea while Korea is a powerhouse. Even in terms of population, India has less power on the world stage than nations like France or Britain or America despite having less population. Technology? China at one point had the industrial powers of Europe at their knees for trade before opium came in.

And thinking that the Uber UN will protect us because they're the collective assembly of voices and technically have power over its memebers is a large case of naiveté in my book. World peace (or in this case, galatic peace) is a wistful daydream at best, humans biology dictates so as does the evolution and biology of all the other xeno species in play. I'm not saying I don't like world peace, but its impossible to achieve without serious moral and ethic concerns and a really big fucking army.

[King Solterra]

@ClocktowerEchos You don't need to explain yourself. @Wernher Minors are important, they outnumber the Majors. If they participate in AGR, they could kill Majors one at a time. Kill 2 if one allied with them (which seems like Keyguy will be) Majors are only Major because they are older and discovered technology before others.

Minors are not little turtles in a small tank preventing them from growing. They are sea turtles just hatching. The choices they make determine how fast and how strong they grow. And no, we are not safe. At this time we are mostly safe from each other, very close to a cold war because we don't have the capability of overpowering a nation without something extra and even if we get that something extra, Minors have enough defense that if they get something extra, it's nulled again. Other than that, there are pirates, savages, random galactic events, random problems, etc. The biggest problem ongoing is illegal slavery mixed with piracy. C.E. gets hit the biggest on their official and non-official trnsports and freighters, but they have such mass of export and patrolled areas, currently the pirates can't get a big enough fleet to take on these trade ships which sometimes get escorted.

C.E. also offers escorts to official nation freighters and transports on request to their security frigates. We are not in a perfect galaxy, I'm sorry if you thought that

Edit
If either of you think C.E. or AGR is uber UN, think again. At least originally, C.E. wanted to own everyone, not caring about protecting people when they own the criminals. AGR has a security force, an on-site security force, that is for and against all Nations, and not bought. All nations contribute to AGR as long as they agree with its terms and such

[Legion02]

@Cale TuckerNow that we're somewhat on the concept of military, I would plan on starting the production of a more robotized external security force. Of course this would be far less effective than an actual one and the robots would still have to be built. It's just so I have someway to defend myself. Would this be allowed? (Also i'm going to bump the percentage to a 0.15% of the active population. It's still far below average but my people have little conquest in mind)

EDIT: Also I wanted to point out that those robots may play a significant role if the RP survives long enough.

[ClocktowerEchos]

@Legion02Ryukyu's special tech is actually AI programming. Would you be interested in Ryukyuan AIs assist this robotic endeavor?

PS: They do have feelings and consider themselves to be "living" so if we do this, can you plz be nice to them? :<

[King Solterra]

@Legion02
If you're gonna have a clone wars, I hate you, and I don't have Ion weaponry.

Sure...? But if you ally with C.E. and agree to an IC contract, you get a free deluxe military space station, one as strong as any Major Dreadnought to protect you if a Major decides to outright attack you without the care of major loss from your supporting allies.

The contract will just more or less require you to be lazy. And the starbase has to be built.

You can show me designs and weaponry and capabilities of these droids, and we can discuss it. But making a robotic military won't make C.E. happy.

[King Solterra]

@ClocktowerEchos Self aware? Do not like that. Nervous tension between us.

[ClocktowerEchos]

@ClocktowerEchos Self aware? Do not like that. Nervous tension between us.

@Cale Tucker

They're self aware, but loyal. Treat them like any other person and they'll treat you well. Don't worry, they aren't "commence mass genocide harvest on organic to save them for the greater cycle", they have a vested interest in society, at least on Ryukyu.

[King Solterra]

@ClocktowerEchos Yeah, C.E. Still has reserve Stars for fighting Ryukyu robots

[King Solterra]

@Legion02 P.S. if you think the current plot is the only plot I have set up... You're sorely mistaken

[ClocktowerEchos]

@ClocktowerEchos Yeah, C.E. Still has reserve Stars for fighting Ryukyu robots

@Cale Tucker

:<

#AILivesMatter

[King Solterra]

@ClocktowerEchos Reserve, meaning preparedness, preparedness for an event. If they go rogue, IF they go rogue, C.E. engages burn it with acid.

They are afraid of intelligent robots, and expect nations to build AI's to suffer a fate from the hole they themselves dug.