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@MelonHead And done.

What i do like roleplay fighting for is its unpredictability. Even when it seems that you've got the upper hand, there's always this feeling that your opponent can and will dick you over. Good thing you don't have that seax yet. :P


Same, it's why Arena fighting is so much like chess to me, when you become overly fixated on your own actions and forget about what your opponent is doing they will always surprise you.
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I am right in assuming Gigue is essentially frozen while his shield is active, correct?
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Hmm, I think Sigurd has something he can do then, expect a reply later.
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The timing seems such that Gigue's backwards roll would skew the blade as it comes down, misdirecting the thrust's force and turning what would be a deep puncture into a shallow tear. If you're fine with it, that will be in my next post. I'd like to clear any disagreements beforehand, if such arise.
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The timing seems such that Gigue's backwards roll would skew the blade as it comes down, misdirecting the thrust's force and turning what would be a deep puncture into a shallow tear. If you're fine with it, that will be in my next post. I'd like to clear any disagreements beforehand, if such arise.


It is a backwards roll? I thought it was more of a suplex, seeing as how Gigue couldn't really afford to bend too much or he'd break his own neck or back when Sigurd's weight fell on him.

Anyway, I don't think the attack can be avoided by merit of the actions you've already stated, unless Gigue does something else I don't see how an ice-pick stab downwards can be turned into a shallow tear. The thing is, another flesh wound really wouldn't be good enough for Sigurd in this scenario, if he doesn't weaken Gigue it's over, and there's no reason why the sword stab wouldn't work (in my mind) so I can't accept another flesh wound for the sake of prolonging the fight. That being said feel free to come up with whatever, if I think the damage is unfair I'll let you know and if we can't come to an impasse Pollen can judge.
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@MelonHead A mix between the two. He is pulling Sigurd backwards and lifting him off the ground, but falling on his own back at the same time.

Care giving details on why you think the stab will retain its power?
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I must apologize, as well as bring your attention to this circumstance. Now that i've gone over my post again, i noticed a mistake that may have been a source of confusion:

Wrapping his right arm tight around the shin, he hooked his left onto the man's belt and pushed off with both legs, falling flat on his back, while bringing Sigurd down as well.




Right already securing one leg, his left hand reached out to grab the other, after which he'd tuck both underneath his armpits, making sure that he trapped them above the knee and not below, as to further restrict Sigurd's range of movement.
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What i intended to do with this (and what i somehow managed to envision as well), is Gigue holding the right leg under his left arm and the left leg under his right. However, during the grapple, he'd have the right leg in his right arm, so this would either require him to somehow shift Sigurd around, or simply start off grappling the leg with his left and holding the belt with his right.
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Well, the weight of the blade and the style of grip is conductive to a very powerful stab, it's coming from above and aimed at the shoulder and neck so the question is whether Gigue's body would have moved sufficiently (and destabilised Sigurd significantly) to offset the point so that it would glance down either his front or back instead.

Due to the position of the two fighters I believe the thrust would be coming in at an angle toward Sigurd, so Gigue moving backward would be unlikely to offset the point sufficiently, and once it makes contact with the top of his very broad shoulder the weight and power of the thrust should drive it through his armour and body. It's also at a slight leftward angle, which means that a glancing strike could offset the point into the bottom of Gigue's throat if he were unlucky.

Sigurd being pulled over is not going to be easy, all credit to Gigue's strength but he's got his work cut out for him lifting the warrior's entire body weight and armour up and then falling backwards, because Gigue's leverage isn't the best with his grip only on Sigurd's right side and one foot. Therefore we can assume that even though Sigurd will be dragged to the ground his thrust isn't going to be massively affected.

I suppose the question is which is faster, Sigurd's thrust or Gigue's grapple/suplex, they were launched at roughly the same time due to Gigue's hyperarmour delay.

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Yeah that part threw me a little, I assumed it was just a follow up once Sigurd was on the ground (and therefore not overly important as I intended to interrupt). Therefore I only imagined Gigue as attempting to throw Sigurd using his belt and his right leg as leverage. (Which obviously makes the sword thrust make more sense)

So are you saying that was a mistake, and Gigue actually meant to grab Sigurd's left leg with his right to perform a more standard take down? Considering you're attempting to pull Sigurd forward I'm not sure that would be any different than the belt grab, seeing as how Gigue is basically doing this using his strength alone rather than decent leverage (sort of like a reverse dump tackle.)

I am a little confused now though.
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No, not quite. He'd keep his left arm around Sigurd's leg, grab the belt with his right and pull him down, so that when they land, Sigurd's right leg could be quickly tucked under his armpit, and the left leg - grabbed with his right arm.

The way i have it currently written, Sigurd would land with both his legs to Gigue's right, which complicates the whole process, as opposed to the right leg already being grasped in his left arm and left leg being on his right side, within easy reach.
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Also, in regards to the ice-pick grip with the sword, though it seems a little strange it does have a historical precedent. Both in dueling and in warfare, or at least, there are educated guesses that cavalry-men may have favoured the reverse grip for dealing with infantryman, so you can see how it's applicable (and very dangerous) here. And yes, this is also with longswords, not just shorter blades.
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@MelonHead No, not quite. He'd keep his left arm around Sigurd's leg, grab the belt with his right and pull him down, so that when they land, Sigurd's right leg could be quickly tucked under his armpit, and the left leg - grabbed with his right arm.

The way i have it currently written, Sigurd would land with both his legs to Gigue's right, which complicates the whole process, as opposed to the right leg already being grasped in his left arm and left leg being on his right side, easily within reach.


OK, I see how that move would work, but you have to understand that you've not really written that at all, your character grabbed Sigurd's belt with his left hand and had his right around the leg, so it seemed like a more conventional suplex that would have Gigue right in front of Sigurd when his thrust came down.

Although as my interrupt comes somewhere near the start of the grappling process I'm not sure it would change the outcome of the thrust driving into Gigue's shoulder.
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Well, this has more or less cleared it up. Having the blade strike at an inwards angle does indeed reinforce the strike; though i think i've found a different way to reasonably slip the damage.

As for the throw, i guess i'll have to stick to the way it's written now?
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Well, this has more or less cleared it up. Having the blade strike at an inwards angle does indeed reinforce the strike; though i think i've found a different way to reasonably slip the damage.

As for the throw, i guess i'll have to stick to the way it's written now?


Yeah, if you have a method of avoiding the strike it won't matter much Sigurd is doomed regardless.
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Well, i won't be avoiding it completely; rather, just make it so that Gigue doesn't end up with a sword stuck in his lung. And believe the method i'll be using is within the bounds of reason.
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Well, i won't be avoiding it completely; rather, just make it so that Gigue doesn't end up with a sword stuck in his lung. And believe the method i'll be using is within the bounds of reason.


It is ultimately a swing point for the fight, Sigurd utilizing his sword in almost a best case scenario, Gigue just about to unleash his wrestling. Fact is, if Gigue avoids significant injury his wrestling and strength will almost certainly end the fight. I don't mind though if Gigue does have a defence open to him I hadn't thought of I deserve to lose.
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@MelonHead@Vordak

This is like an extra detailed version of the Guzman Vs. Gonad match.
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Come on then @Vordak you're leaving me in anticipation here.
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I'm actually off to sleep right now: this saturday has been a busy one for me, so i'll have to post next morning.
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