[OOC] Black Mountain Tournament: Sigurd vs Gigue

[Vordak]

The timing's a bit unclear, honestly. Gigue had already started rolling backwards when Sigurd hit him with the sword, so the whole transition into the throw would happen while he would still be falling to the ground/ He'd be able to brace himself and delay his landing, but the momentum would still persist, the end situation being Sigurd thrown face downwards and Gigue crashing down on top almost immediately after.

There's no way he could react to that elbow strike in time in this scenario; though from this point, i could argue that since he would be so close to Sigurd, it would hit with less force, point of impact being closer to Sigurd's shoulder rather than the elbow, and considering that Gigue is heavier by almost a hundred pounds, his inertia could keep him in one place, thus ending up with him on Sigurd's back nevertheless, ready for that RNC. In this case, his ribs would also sustain less damage, so he'd be able to use both arms as well.

If you think that's viable, then i may as well; but for the sake of keeping it simple, i had decided to roll with the strike and forgo any arguing.

[Vordak]

As per usual, i gtg sleep though, so expect no reply from me until the morning.

[MelonHead]

There is the slight difference that Sigurd was able to essentially land in a half press-up position, which would be incredibly unwise with a normal arm, but his left arm could take it.

Gigue's weight is significant, but he has to contend with both Sigurd's natural strength and his supernatural magic super-arm, which is more than capable of lifting Gigue's entire weight alone, twice over. Super-strength is interesting in grappling situations (this is something I discovered in the Kanitah vs Fury fight) because in human battles gravity gives the advantage to the person on top, but when characters have superhuman strength the advantage actually shifts somewhat because the person on the bottom can actually use their strength to push off and the like.

Point being, even if Gigue did sandwich himself on top of Sigurd's body for some reason (because I'd presume he would rather be in a back-mount, with his chest up) the elbow slamming into his side could force him off Sigurd's body unless he was ready for it.

[MelonHead]

As per usual, i gtg sleep though, so expect no reply from me until the morning.

@Vordak

Such a tease, every time we get to an interesting discussion you go to bed, I swear this is a conspiracy at this point.

[Vordak]

I'll be late on this post; fortunately, tomorrow's evening is completely free for me, so i'll be able to post for sure.

[MelonHead]

np

[MelonHead]

Just to make sure I know what's going on:

Gigue takes the elbow as he falls onto Sigurd, he's thrown to his right and braces himself with his right arm, then he does some kind of mid-air spin thing so his legs are pointing towards Sigurd and slams himself down on Sigurd's torso and then he kicks out with his feet at Sigurd's head?

Is the kick coming immediately after the (ass drop?!?) slam thing, or is Gigue dropping on Sigurd, popping back up and then kicking out? Also, is any of Gigue in contact with Sigurd before the ass drop, that would say, impede Sigurd if he simply kept rolling?

[Vordak]

@MelonHead

Yes, you've got it right; and the kick is coming out right after the ass slam.

EDIT: nvm, i got it. Nope, none of him is. But he does flip-kick pretty close to the ground, so Sigurd would get hit if he tried to roll under. Not that i know what you have in mind for your next post. :P

[MelonHead]

Well, the way I see it Gigue has abandoned his hold on Sigurd when he transitions into his break-dancing pose, so for a moment Sigurd is pretty much clear to do whatever he wants until Gigue re-positions himself and lands with his ass. Not saying Sigurd is necessarily just going to roll away, but I was wondering if Gigue's position might make rolling difficult or not, it seems like for a moment he only really has a hand and maybe one leg blocking Sigurd from just rolling to his left, so I wanted to get it cleared up exactly where Gigue's limbs were at what times.

[Vordak]

@MelonHead Both legs, actually, since you're asking.

[MelonHead]

So Gigue transitions from a back-mount to his break-dancing pose fully to Sigurd's left side. (Presuming Sigurd manages to turn sufficiently to face up)

[Vordak]

Yeah. Though i had Sigurd's elbow strike throw him completely to the side, with not even an opportunity for a back mount. So that'd give Sigurd about enough space to turn face up.

[MelonHead]

Just for a frame of reference, how much time do you think passed between Sigurd elbowing Gigue and Gigue landing his trademark ass slam?

[Vordak]

3-4 seconds.

or maybe more like 4-5 seconds - something like that.

[MelonHead]

3-4 seconds.

@Vordak

Hmm, that's about what I figured, that's a pretty long time in fighting terms. I think Gigue should have just went with his instinctual beserker rage and started ground pounding the shit out of Sigurd tbh, probably would have been game over.

Anyway I'll have a post up in an hour or so.

[Vordak]

To each fighter, their own style.

[MelonHead]

To each fighter, their own style.

@Vordak

Very true, wrestlers wrestle, swordsmen sword things.

[MelonHead]

Let me know if there's anything confusing about my post, because of the length of time between Sigurd's move and Gigues I made it an interruption rather than a counter because Gigue technically has time to do something other than his original plan, and may do so now he knows what Sigurd's capable of.

Also, I massively went against my better judgement with this attack and just went for what I thought would be cool. It works in theory, but it's a little impractical, oh well.

[Vordak]

As per usual, i want to be that bastard that shrugs off your sword strikes like flea bits

It seems to me that Sigurd won't be able to put a lot power into his strike from his current position to actually muster a grievous wound; perhaps, an inch deep into flesh at most, if not less, since he is missing a lot of torque from the legs, cannot put a lot of weight behind his arm in general and has very little wind up space as well.

If that stands true, Gigue can just shrug it off and stick to his original plan, since it would work regardless in that turn of events.

[MelonHead]

As per usual, i want to be that bastard that shrugs off your sword strikes like flea bits

It seems to me that Sigurd won't be able to put a lot power into his strike from his current position to actually muster a grievous wound; perhaps, an inch deep into flesh at most, since he is missing a lot of torque from the legs and has very little wind up space as well.

@Vordak

I was thinking about this myself, but I do have a case for the sword strike.

1. Sigurd basically has supernatural strength, he can curl 80kg of weight so the amount of force he can generate with his bicep alone is fucking insane, and he can put his shoulder into this cut because the force is being generated by his shoulder in the haymaker esque move.

2. The amount of force actually impacting Gigue would fully depend on Gigue's actions. If he decided to just tank it out he might get lucky and get inside the arc of the blade, the force would be far less significant if a lower part of the blade impacted Gigue, though not insignificant and his own momentum would essentially drive him onto the edge.

3. Sigurd's strength doesn't really require him to step into sword strikes, but I believe the momentum of his roll would compensate some for the lack of torque.

4. He actually has a pretty decent amount of wind-up space, the sword frees itself from his body and in one continuous motion he rolls and pulls the blade leftward, evidently it would depend on when/if it hits Gigue as to the sort of damage it inflicts, if Gigue gets right up in the swords business it wouldn't be -as- effective, but Gigue's move is inherently quite slow because it has a lot of parts to it, if he carries out the same plan the sword could easily hit him before he can actually move closer, at least the way I see it.

Not saying it's the most effective attack of all time, quite the opposite, but I believe it would be at least equivalent to an ordinary longsword cut despite the odd circumstances. One inch of penetration would be short changing it a bit, though I agree it would be unlikely to be fatal in any sense because Sigurd's target isn't really marked with an abundant of arteries or anything, it's more debilitating than lethal.