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The New Empires

1) Needs a map, or at least some way for players to have a rough idea of where everyone is.

2) Can sections of the NS skeleton be ommitted? A hefty portion of it isn't applicable to the species I have in mind.

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So Boerd said
Not according to the rapid white supremacists in the Nigerian government.http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-tradeYou've only proven my point, with no incentive to develop the very helpful wheel any further, they would not have. Thus the long term material impact of colonialism.

It's like you didn't even read the parenthesized material or the post in its entirety.

EDIT: Or my post before that one.

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So Boerd said
The , Lum.

It was invented, just not widely used as a way to augment transportation efficiency. The wheel is easymode to create (Nubian peoples/Ancient Egypt as well as sub-Saharan African groups). The axle and the physics behind it? Not so much. Wheels (and axles) gave way to an excellent method of ferrying goods cheaply from place to place (obviously), but African societal groups primarily relied on pack animals and human-powered delivery methods to ferry goods to predetermined destinations. This is more expensive and less efficient (in theory), which probably stunted economical (and therefore technological) growth. Other reasons cited for this diminished level of development probably lies in Africa's lack of easily-broken animals (you're not going to have much luck in domesticating something like an elephant and then having it till land; most you can do is tame it, which isn't going to cut it for farm work), African tribe's being close to ample food sources (jungles and roaming herd animals) and environmental factors that imposed limitations on wheeled transport usage and extended development.

Again, the idea that Africa didn't invent the wheel is a common (and stupid) misconception that is widely regarded as fact--much like the idea that Africans willingly sold other Africans into slavery (held at gunpoint by Europeans and under the assumption that European indentured servitude and slavery practices were similar to those of their own) or that they ate each other willingly (evidence for African cannibalism is sparse; you find more evidence of this occurring in Europe and especially with early settling efforts in the Americas). Ancient Nubians used the wheel for pottery.

EDIT: That above question wasn't supposed to be posted. Thanks Mahz.

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So Boerd said
The , Lum.

What would have prompted its creation?

From Stardust, To Stardust

Who in the world signature-quotes themself on a forum?

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So Boerd said
1. So, what, Europeans are guilty by "corruption of blood?" Unconstitutional. Why don't we have anti-Aztec affirmative action or pro-Scandinavian affirmative action in Southern Greenland or pro-Neanderthal affirmative action everywhere or pro-European affirmative action in Mongolia? History is history. I'm Asian, mind you, and we Koreans didn't have it easy.2. Colonization was not a zero-sum game. Can you honestly tell me that the African tribes, some of whom had not even invented the WHEEL, mind you, would be better off today if nobody brought technology to them?

1) No, they're not, and I wish that people in this thread would stop claiming that I'm advocating white guilt, white hatred or collective responsibility whenever I bring up the bits and piece of European history that make people squirm with discomfort. I don't have an indirect or direct issue with whites as whole. My primary beef is with history and its persistent impact on my life and the lives of other people like me. I've found that the further I look into Europe's darker history, the more disgusted and revolted I become with said historical texts. It makes me shudder at what I could find if I dig further into Asia's and Africa's history.

And Neanderthals? Really?

2) No, I don't see any benefit whatsoever in European powers coming to Africa. That continent was perfectly fine before European explorers arrived. It will be left to speculation and personal thought experiments as to how African tribes would have progressed without Europe's intervention until mankind invents time machines that somehow avoid the temporal paradox. Pretty skyscrapers and firearms were 'fortunate' byproducts of colonialism (among other things), but that's just it: they're byproducts. They weren't intended at the time. You're implying that African nations absolutely depended on Europe for technical advancement and civilization, which is a global misconception widely held as fact. And ironically, civilization itself is a concrete term wrapped in subjectivity; its underlining definition is forged by those that emerge with victory in hand. If your society and culture do not mimic that of the conqueror's, you're uncivilized. It's a ridiculous logical fallacy and blatant lie reinforced by corrupted historical texts and victor's essays laced throughout American and European history books.

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The Nexerus said
You are so horrifically ignorant and racist that I'm not even going to attempt to force rationality on you. You are too long gone, and too firm in your belief that everyone with a pale skin tone is basically Hitler.

I'm not calling every single pale-skinned individual on the planet a Hitler clone; you said that. But you toting affirmative action as some sort of terrible anti-European agenda is extraordinarily pathetic when it's far from being that in reality. As I previously said, it's an equalizer, a supplement, which aims to actually assist minority groups in finding work or taking advantage of services and privileges that their white peers receive by default. And women (including white women) benefit from it. Even with this, they don't get special treatment, they aren't placed ahead of their white peers and they sure as shit aren't free from racial discrimination. I find it disturbing that a law is required for people to at least have a chance at standing on equal footing when placed side-by-side with those of European background.

And when it comes to Europe's history and the economic boom that it has reaped from its exploitation, subjugation and slaughter of native peoples, I'm not going to sugarcoat anything. Especially when the negative impact European empires had on other peoples throughout the world still persists to this day.

Honestly, do I need to fetch links and stats to back this up or is this common knowledge like I hope it is?

The New Empires - Medieval Fantasy NRP

Another fantasy NRP set in a Europe-esque setting.

It's as if the other six continents do not exist in the NRP section.

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So Boerd said
>White Government>Black President, Black AG, Black president immune from critiscm because of skin color, affirmative action legal and endorsed.

Obama is half-black. I guess if you're going by the One Drop rule then yes, he's a black president. Or if you take into account his willingness to idenitify fully with his black racial background then I suppose you're even more correct.

However, Obama isn't immune to criticism. A brief gander at the news and a quick stroll through the internet will tell you that.

The Nexerus said
Yes, and there are also specific businesses and economical practices that give preferential treatment to Africans or Jews or Asians or... you get the idea. You've successfully established that racist people exist, and some of them are employers.The point that I expressed remains. The only codified racism in the Western world is affirmative action, and affirmative action is almost invariably directed against Europeans.

I'm not concerned with Europe. I'm concerned with the US. And given Europe's less-than-stellar historical dealings with the racial groups that you've listed (and those that are implied but were not mentioned), I'm finding it incredibly difficult to sympathize with any European that is 'harmed' by affirmative action given that said European is most likely benefiting from the generations of conquest and expansionism that saw the various old empires of that landmass rise to economical and martial prowess.

Also, I strongly doubt a privileged majority is harmed by affirmative action considering minority groups in the US are still fighting an uphill battle even with these 'advantages' people enjoy pointing out. Actually they aren't even advantages. They're more like 'equalizers' if anything, but even using that phrase is being exceptionally generous.

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The Nexerus said
Like affirmative action? I can't think of any other examples of codified racism in the modern West.

Not exactly sanctioned by law, but specific business and economical practices largely favor whites in the US and actively suppress the advancement of those persons unaffiliated with a white racial background. Instead of overt racism, it's covert, and consequently keeps the public uninformed and ignorant on the issues that minority groups face in this nation. Worse yet, it keeps the teeming white population fixated on small-scale problems while their beloved white government persists in caring little for them or their ethnic plight.