Darkraven

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

Or maybe it's the simple fact that I don't belong. It's fine, I'm not blaming anyone. Never really did. I guess maybe it's the same as putting an American in Iraq, or an Iraqi in America. Both side are good but different, and then, there's going to be lots of friction. Doesn't help that I'm probably on the other side of the globe from most of the people here, and that I've been out of this place for a very good long time.

Well, now I know. Shoulda listened to some of the people I knew 'round these parts back from before the crash. They prefer to remain invisible, and they're hardly even in OOC.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

The best way I can phrase this is this then. Seems that roleplayerguild or at least a chunk of it has developed a form of etiquette after the crash that I'm not aware of. I don't recall this to be a problem before, and I'd been on for a few years on and off.

Man, I need another tankard of beer. I'll... just go back to my writing and wait for the GM to reply, hope that it'd end like a nightmare.

EDIT: But thanks for the talk anyway. I really needed it.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

So posts are made to be ignored, and exchange of views are forbidden? Holy moley, now I've seen everything. What's worse is that this policy appears to work on a larger scale rather than being an isolated incident. This was never a problem before the site crashed, before that RP really, what's happened? When was this policy implemented in roleplayerguild?

Thing is, argument in general use means violent exchange of views. There are other words used more frequently for the kind of discussion I was going for, like discussion.

Plus, it's not bothering everyone else because I'm the one taking it. I worked on the CS, I need the CS for roleplaying. It's an advanced RP, and it took hours for the CS and my initial post.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

It's best to let things like that drop, it looks to me like you took that argument way to far in the thread when it should have been handled in PMs.

@BelatedGamer

As I've said, it wasn't an argument. Arguments are loud and brutal and barbaric.I was discussing things.

This is an argument:

Person 1: You suck

Person 2: Yeah? No, you suck!

Person 1: No.

Person 2: Fuck you!

I was doing this:

Accuser: You suck

Me: Fine, point out why I suck

Accuser: Because of A, B and C

Me: Okay, I don't think I suck but your suggestions will still improve my CS

Accuser: You still suck. Hard.

Me: Okay, I don't see how I'm sucking. I'd like to point out D, E, F, G, H, I.

Accuser: Nyeh, nyeh, nyeh. I don't wanna talk about it. You can't change my opinion. You suck.

Me: But then D, E, F, G, H, I is stated in www.answer.com to be indications that I don't suck.

Judge and Jury: I sentence thee to banishment for being aggressive, negative and destroying the RP!

You see what I mean?

But anyway, some of the people involved in that RP are giving me a break and I'm renewing my appeal. So there's that.

Us, Redux

Alright, but I think we've concluded this one very successfully. I'll PM you if anything comes up. I don't have skype because I have an unreasonable fear of it.

Us, Redux

Alright, this time around I'll cease and desist, and wait for Pal's reply. I hope he replies soon. Anyway, I'll just go back to working on my real writing.

I just hope we're on equal level now in terms of understanding each other, and it seems that we are, since you said so. If nothing else, at least we've achieved this. But I promise, if I get through this without still getting ejected, I'll be able to talk to you guys better since I know you guys better, and how we're different.

EDIT: At first I regretted deleting my post, but I realised I've backed it up in my computer. So fingers' crossed.

Us, Redux

A spectacle is two people screaming at each other or fighting, we're clearly not doing that, so hear me out:

That's because I don't know what to do anymore. I've tried every avenue, but Pal seems dead set on asking me to resign, but he was just as calm as I was. So I'm back here again, and I figured I'll try the process from bottom-up again. Just thought I'd appeal to both people and ruler, as this is how it usually goes in real life as both have some power even if everything says otherwise.

Coming back to the thread is all I got left. So I'm appealing to you guys (and Pal, since this is public), can't this be worked out? You guys do know that I don't mean anything right? I mean, I've repeatedly stated my intentions to discuss, and I truly believed that it was going somewhere. I was trying to build confidence around my character and therefore help the RP.

Because if I'm out on one strike for something I believe is a debatable offense, then this RP's system is more penalising than most militaries and countries in the world based on principle (and not the acts they are penalising).

You may be wondering, why am I fighting so hard when this is just an RP? Because I feel extremely misunderstood. There're people behind all these names, which therefore makes this real. Doesn't matter if this is on the internet, the feeling's real, and it's eating me inside out. All I wanted is to talk and be understood, at the end of the day, and before that, all I wanted to do is to participate in this RP, and I was putting all my effort into it because it's that good.

EDIT: Anyway, me and Atomika had a talk. He gave me permission to put it up for the sake of my appeal:
[02/05 1:11 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: Well
[02/05 1:11 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: I guess it's the not aware of themselves bit
[02/05 1:12 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: But tolerance is also a virtue.
[02/05 1:13 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: I just think you were...overreacting to a trivial issue. I mean, I know RPing and stuff is one of our shared loves but getting so worked up over a fictional work is...weird. And kinda sily, don'tcha think? Like, we're better than this, right? Why do we need to have silly arguments over things that can be settled amicably like real people?
[02/05 1:14 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'm not exactly with you either. Cause I prefer not having fighting amongst people I see as colleagues or whatnot.
[02/05 1:14 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: Call me a coward but I dislike fighting amongst other people.
[02/05 4:44 pm] xbriannova: The problem is, I wasn't arguing. I wasn't even worked up. Is the idea of the discussion dead?
[02/05 4:45 pm] xbriannova: Seriously, I'm not using exclamation marks, I'm not using capitals, I'm not calling names, I'm not calling vulgarities, and I'm not digging old wounds or trying to bring unrelated points in to hurt people
[02/05 4:46 pm] xbriannova: It makes me wonder what people in roleplayerguild consider an argument because I seriously think right now that I seem to be roleplaying with aliens or something.
[02/05 4:47 pm] xbriannova: She said my character is a Mary Sue, so I bring up points to say that she's not. What's so offensive about that?
[02/05 4:54 pm] xbriannova: How on earth is that fighting at all?
[02/05 5:04 pm] xbriannova: How was I not discussion things amicably
[02/05 5:04 pm] xbriannova: How was I not tolerating
[02/05 5:04 pm] xbriannova: Instead of throwing a fit, I sat down and talked things out
[02/05 5:04 pm] xbriannova: Honestly, something is wrong here
[02/05 6:23 pm] ‪DJ‪Atomika‬: Then perhaps your wording was simply taken the wrong way.
[02/05 6:23 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: As much as your intentions are good, wording also plays a part.
[02/05 6:24 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: I don't know, honestly. I just don't see a reason why you argue.
[02/05 6:24 pm] DJ‪Atomika: Or why they argue.
[02/05 6:24 pm] xbriannova: I wasn't arguing 😭
[02/05 6:24 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: *Shrug* I don't know man.
[02/05 6:25 pm] xbriannova: Thing is, I've tried my utter best to be nice. And my words could be taken in a few ways. They chose the most negative way to handle it
[02/05 6:26 pm] DJ‪Atomika: I just don't know man.
[02/05 6:26 pm] xbriannova: Despite being told essentially that I'm utter rubbish. The Mary Sue is the worse insult to hurl at a writer.
[02/05 6:26 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: I don't handle these things the way you do.
[02/05 6:26 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: I at least admit that I'm in the wrong.
[02/05 6:26 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: Then take steps to make what's wrong right again.
[02/05 6:27 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: But I can't totally convince you to think that way cause we're all human.
[02/05 6:27 pm] xbriannova: How can I admit that I'm wrong if I'm not? An innocent man fights the hardest, which is why I'm committing so much time to clear this
[02/05 6:27 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: Entitled to our own thoughts and opinions and whatnot.
[02/05 6:28 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: Well maybe they see the concept of a ten year old with almost perfect survival skills as a mary sue trait.
[02/05 6:28 pm] xbriannova: Her survival skills are far from perfect
[02/05 6:28 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: If you want my honest opinion, just say so. I don't want to add any more fuel to the fire if I can avoid it.
[02/05 6:28 pm] xbriannova: Haven't you been honest with me?
[02/05 6:29 pm] xbriannova: And I'm fine with everything you're saying
[02/05 6:29 pm] xbriannova: I'm just discussing with you, doing the same thing
[02/05 6:30 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: Well, to be honest, Valentina is far from average. This is my opinion, by the by. Doesn't affect anything.
[02/05 6:30 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: The way you worded her sheet, it made her look too perfect.
[02/05 6:30 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: The weaknesses are okay
[02/05 6:30 pm] ‪DJ‪Atomika: But the strengths are...worded more suiting an adult or a young lady rather than a child.
[02/05 6:31 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: I'm actually looking at her sheet now, just giving my honest opinion.
[02/05 6:31 pm] xbriannova: What about the recent changes I'd made? Based on what Mchaggis said?
[02/05 6:31 pm] ‪DJ‪Atomika‬: Eh? Changes?
[02/05 6:31 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: I'm looking at the sheet you posted on page 8 of the OOC pardon me XD
[02/05 6:31 pm] DJ‪Atomika: Perhaps you should pm me the proper sheet.
[02/05 6:32 pm] xbriannova: Oh lord, that's of course bad
[02/05 6:32 pm] xbriannova: I've moved the character sheet to the character sheet section
[02/05 6:32 pm] xbriannova: I called my thread the hotel of the forlorn
[02/05 6:32 pm] xbriannova: There were serious changes since
[02/05 6:33 pm] DJ‪Atomika: Tell me which sections you changed so I can compare with the original
[02/05 6:33 pm] ‪DJ‪Atomika‬: Don't have to, like, detail everything, just the section.
[02/05 6:34 pm] xbriannova: Actually the changes were extensive. Only the skills section remain unchanged
[02/05 6:34 pm] xbriannova: Even before Mchaggis' suggestion, the cs was considered accepted
[02/05 6:35 pm] xbriannova: So it should be even better now with Mchaggis' suggestions
[02/05 6:35 pm] DJ‪Atomika: Well if it's acceptable
[02/05 6:36 pm] ‪DJ‪Atomika‬: Then the only problem now is what's going on with the players, not the characters.
[02/05 6:36 pm] xbriannova: So this really begs the question. Shouldn't Mchaggis be ejected with me since she created the scene in the first place? But by my definition, it isn't a scene...
[02/05 6:36 pm] xbriannova: Just even more inconsistencies with what is going on
[02/05 6:36 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: I think what's in order here is a big ol "ya'll sit down and shut up".
[02/05 6:37 pm] xbriannova: Since she knew it was accepted and yet steadily criticised the character
[02/05 6:37 pm] xbriannova: What do you mean by that? I'm not familiar with that expression
[02/05 6:37 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: Everyone just calm your tits, is what I'm saying.
[02/05 6:38 pm] DJ‪Atomika: I think it just might be her problem.
[02/05 6:39 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: Even though I see where she's coming from, Valentina isn't exactly perfect in a character sense, but in an objective, skills and background based sense, she is. She's got the tough upbringing of the outbreak, smokes and drinks like an adult, already has an array of sharp things, swears like a sailor and whatnot
[02/05 6:39 pm] ‪DJ‪Atomika‬: I know you can justify it
[02/05 6:39 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: I'm not saying anything is wrong
[02/05 6:40 pm] xbriannova: Also, she's reckless, careless, inexperienced...
[02/05 6:40 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: But the thing is if I can see it that way too then something is a little bit off.
[02/05 6:40 pm] xbriannova: Everything she does will have something going wrong because of that
[02/05 6:40 pm] ‪DJ‪Atomika‬: Yeah, but that doesn't take away from the fact that she's still extremely well equipped for the present situation.
[02/05 6:40 pm] xbriannova: Have you seen my first post before I deleted it?
[02/05 6:41 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: Yeah, I saw, and a great post too.
[02/05 6:41 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: I got stopped by that cause I was thinking about having Ames interact with her
[02/05 6:41 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: But then all this came up
[02/05 6:41 pm] xbriannova: She's a complete klutz, a completely bumbling mega-mistake maker
[02/05 6:41 pm] xbriannova: Though part of that is because she hasn't eaten in days
[02/05 6:42 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: But her sheet doesn't reflect that, as far as the general gist of it goes.
[02/05 6:42 pm] DJ‪Atomika: From what I read anyway.
[02/05 6:42 pm] xbriannova: Is it because I summed it up in fewer words?
[02/05 6:42 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: If, perhaps, the wording less emphasised on her strengths and more on how they still barely make a difference cause she's a kid then perhaps it would make more sense.

And yeah.
[02/05 6:43 pm] xbriannova: I wished Mchaggis and Gowi could talk like you do
[02/05 6:43 pm] xbriannova: You certainly haven't blocked me yet
[02/05 6:43 pm] DJ‪Atomika: I don't block anyone unless given a good reason to.
[02/05 6:44 pm] DJ‪Atomika: It's part of who I am.
[02/05 6:44 pm] ‪DJ‪Atomika‬: I tolerate a lot of things.
[02/05 6:44 pm] xbriannova: I'm doing the exact same thing as I was in ooc. And yet... 😭
[02/05 6:44 pm] xbriannova: So you see what I mean? What we're doing now is what I'm going for
[02/05 6:45 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: Well then.
[02/05 6:46 pm] DJ‪Atomika‬: You could always transfer this log to the OOC, let them see exactly what you mean.
[02/05 6:47 pm] xbriannova: Alright. Anyway, what you've said would have further refined my cs to even greater heights
[02/05 6:47 pm] xbriannova: Anyway, I think I will

Us, Redux

Honestly, you guys, I don't get how I was even considered to be causing a scene or so much as an inconvenience. I was described to be fighting or arguing when I was putting words down that's to the contrary of a claim. What's so wrong about that? This is OOC isn't it? I'm not aware that I'm posting in the wrong section. I was trying to be calm and rational and academic and professional. I didn't use exclamation marks, capital letters, I didn't call names, I didn't use vulgarities, I didn't dig up old wounds and I didn't bring in unrelated points to the table (even though I have some ammunition for this).

Then you guys kept piling accusations based on single words interpreted loosely and misunderstandings on me, and I steadily got frustrated. Has it ever occurred to you that there's a human being behind this name? A human being who is trying to get a discussion going? Who has a pet peeve with writing or reading Mary Sues that he must make sure there are no Mary Sues (real or imagined) anywhere? And then my points were ignored again and again, I treated everyone like human beings and I wasn't replied to like a human being. Instead, I was cast aside on a whim. Not that it got me going at all, not really, and what little anger I had I kept it down; I wasn't throwing a fit. Why is that so unbelievable? A raging fit would have looked even worse! It would have looked like this:

raging fit

Fuck you! How the fuck is Valentina Vetrov a God damn Mary Sue! You're stupid you know that? And you should go and die and your friends and family should all die like dogs! Which fucking idiot would want to roleplay with you! You're a God damn nazi for even considering that! YOU'RE A BABY! You-

I'm not going to write more of that because I think it's enough.

And now you guys ejected me from this RP on one single strike. I have seen far worse people being given chances, and absolutely irredeemable people given their three strikes before going out. Somehow I'm worse than that and I've set a record, for what? For getting a Mary Sue discussion going?

Can you guys please explain this to me? What is really disturbing right now is not the (so-called) argument but the fact that I feel that I'm gravely misunderstood, and the consequences seem to be disproportionate.

If you guys are reasonable people, at least talk to me about this.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

Don't forget that having an attitude that shuts down the ability to have sort of discourse or complaint is not only stupidly despotic for a game but is just straight up toxic for the miniature community you're trying to foster to keep the game going

@Jerkchicken

Tell me about it *Puts down tankard of beer*

Was in a good RP.

Someone started flinging insults at my character, called her a Mary Sue, even though she was accepted heartily by the GM.

I defended myself rationally, calmly, citing the definitions of Mary Sue and everything.

The person who insulted me eventually said that she's bored and didn't want to talk about what she started. But she maintained her stance that I'm using a god damn Mary Sue.

I defended myself some more the same way. I bring up all the points of the Mary Sue and discounted each of them in my character's context.

The GM and a third of the community said that I was being aggressive and negative. The rest are either too afraid of being persecuted or are not present.

The GM decides that I should leave. Citing that third of the community, that I'm being aggressive and negative, and something that happened 2 years ago.

*Drinks heavily from tankard of beer*

[Link removed. I still feel wrong to repay punches with punches]

EDIT: Oh God, the more I looked at it, the more upset I've become. I'm very grounded in real life, and yet I can't help but to really feel it. At least with real life, I have been able to settle alot of conflicts that matters more easily enough. But somehow it can't be done in an RP, and I was giving it far more effort than I would need to in those real life conflicts.

*Drinks even more*