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Digimon: Digital Monsters- Pillars of Blood (Digimon d6; Hard Drive Catacomb v1.0)

But it's not just what the character wants, that's how the player wants to play the character. It's the kind of character that that person likes playing. Otherwise, they'd have made the character differently. And if the game rules prevent that, you create friction, potentially even frustration, between the player and the game mechanics. If a person wants their character to be in the thick of things, then they should be able to arrange things so that that character can do that. Especially in a tabletop where -25% HP is all that's required for destruction rather than -100% and with no death savings throw equivalent.

It's basically an argument of realism vs. player enjoyment/choice and creative freedom.

{also, in regards to the "odds are" thing, I know that that's the best you can do. The possibility of being defeated is always present in any game. But that's talking about outside influences, such as battles or RP sections, which is completely irrelevant to the creation of a player character, which was what my main point was.)

Furthermore, I would like to point out that, even if it's not seen as a problem in our particular use of the system doesn't mean it's not a problem. That's the problem with randomness. There's no guarantee that you'll ever be balanced properly. Meanwhile, if you have a static formula without a random variable, you can see clearly whether the formula is too strong, too weak, or just right. And it's easier to make changes as a result.

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I understand where you're coming from, Tobi, but it makes no logical sense from any standpoint in terms of the characters. And in terms of the game, if you leave so much to chance, then it can lead to an unfair experience. You can either have one player who's too OP or a character that's so underpowered they're barely alive at any battle. Let the dice speak for themselves when they matter: During battle or during RP. But when you're creating your character, I really think you should have a more solid foundation with no randomization involved.

Odds are, it should even out by the time there's any decent fighting.

tobiax

In my tabletop experience, "odds are" is a bad thing to be saying when it comes to the player characters. When it comes to NPC's, that's a different story. But there should be certainty when it comes to how the character is RP'd. For argument's sake, I'll use my Agumon character as my example. My Agumon would never be the type to rely on others to fight for him. He'd want to be up front and throwing punches. But there's always the possibility that doing that would get him killed because he rolled poorly on his HP. So then in order to keep him alive, I'd have to play him like a game piece rather than an RP character.

In the end, the point of a tabletop is to blend game with roleplay. That's the key. So imo, you should be guaranteeing the characters involved some kind of solid ground or certainty. After all, in an RP, a character is not created with any kind of uncertainty involved. The creator of the character has everything planned out the way (s)he wants it.

Plus, in the context of a game, you should never discredit any stat in a game where you upgrade stats over time. If it's possible to get less benefit from a certain stat (as is the case when anything random is ever done), then the logical thing to do would be to put stat points into a stat that's guaranteed to give you the benefit you want.

Digimon: Digital Monsters- Pillars of Blood (Digimon d6; Hard Drive Catacomb v1.0)

Right. I've played multiple tabletop games in the past. D&D, Pokémon TTA, etc. For HP or MP, each one uses a specific formula that utilizes a certain stat with no randomization involved. Trust me...in a proper tabletop, there'll be plenty of randomization to screw people over. xP It's good to give the players some certainty in how their characters will at least start. Just because it's a tabletop doesn't mean you should use dice rolls for everything. xD

...And actually, most don't even use an MP system. They usually use go by a Frequency system. At-Wills can be used one after another, Dailies can only be used once per in-game day, Battle means once per battle, etc. But of course, since digimon use MP in their games, using MP probably makes more sense here.

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True, but that's not my point. Both in the context of a game and the context of an RP it makes NO sense for a character with a higher vitality stat to have a lower HP value when compared to another Digimon.

When I was making my character, I decided to try a tank build, since it fits his character and you don't have one yet. But then I realized it's impossible to guarantee he'll be any better at tanking anything than anyone else because of how the calculation works.

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I see, I see....

Also, can I just put in my two cents about something? I really don't like the idea of requiring randomization when calculating HP or Energy stats. Every tabletop I've ever played uses a specific formula for a reason. Because it makes no sense in the context of this game that a character with a Vitality of, say, 10, should potentially have less HP than a character with a Vitality of 1 just because of a bad roll.

...And actually, I was going the Virus Buster route. It's PERFECT for him the way the stats upgrade and it works. xD Agumon is primarily a Virus Buster, not a Dragon's Roar.

Digimon: Digital Monsters- Pillars of Blood (Digimon d6; Hard Drive Catacomb v1.0)

@tobiax @Lugia

So I have a question. Can somebody please explain exactly what Generation does? It's hard for me to gather going by the document alone. Like...what benefits could you specifically get from adding points to that instead of your other basic stats? If you could provide an example or two, that might really help. I understand that you can't upgrade it the same way as other stats, but...

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I'm thinking of using the same character I was using in your RP board, Hideaki and Agumon. They're my best character duo atm and they're always so fun to play together since they're so different. But I'll have to see what I get once I read the rules and actually start making the character. xD

Well then, sounds like I popped in at an opportune time before the slots filled up~ I'll get to work on that stuff soon. =} and if I'm lucky, I might have my character done before I got to sleep tonight.

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Oh hey, I knew I recognized that name. The same guy who was hosting that Digimon RP before. You still taking any new characters? Especially since one of you seems to be missing atm? xD

I'd have to be caught up on what's happened so far and stuff...and actually look at the rules and stuff. But it'd be kind of neat to have a Digimon tabletop game to turn to~

G.S.W.F Pro wrestling rp

@clanjos

Heheh. Yeah, I understood that already. But even crazy RP's will sometimes have some kind of basis in reality. Plus, many people here haven't done much more than a human (or human-esque character). So I wasn't quite sure. I was just making sure I wasn't overstepping any weird boundaries that might have been set. Or even put forth their character period. xD

G.S.W.F Pro wrestling rp

^ Same question as above. Also, I have another question.

@Sekai El Python. That's, like...a snake, right? As in...just a snake that's a wrestler somehow? So then nonhuman characters are allowed?

I was always interested in wrestling, but I get enough human wrestling elsewhere. xD