@Cu Chulainn The primary restriction on Masters is that I probably won't allow anyone who could seriously fight a Servant, even if it's only a defensive fight like in the case of Ciel. This means people at Ciel's level, Dead Apostles, and things like that.
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...is that a Sengoku Rance reference?
That’s a Sengoku Rance reference, isn’t it?
You’re applying with Rance.
Oh no.
That’s a Sengoku Rance reference, isn’t it?
You’re applying with Rance.
Oh no.
@KoL I unfortunately won't really allow that. The Berserker form's seen as having more 'control' but also is less of a big deal innately. This seems to be general practice for those sorts of transformative Noble Phantasms when a Servant can be summoned with the transformation 'already active', like Berserker Vlad III.
Her profile explains this as well, so allowing that just seems to be at odds with her profile.
As a warning if you go through with the Alter version, though (which is fine if you'd like to use that instead)- the magical energy cost of maintaining her usual combat style of Self-Evolution and all that will be pretty significant. I just want to make sure you're okay with that.
It's not a transformation left relying fully on rage, but since she is already in a beast-like state when summoned, the rank is lower compared to the time when it's used as a Noble Phantasm.
Her profile explains this as well, so allowing that just seems to be at odds with her profile.
As a warning if you go through with the Alter version, though (which is fine if you'd like to use that instead)- the magical energy cost of maintaining her usual combat style of Self-Evolution and all that will be pretty significant. I just want to make sure you're okay with that.
@SSW I'd be fine with allowing him, but we'd have to have some caveats since the in-game sheet is a little incomplete. Majestic Triumphal Return would be a nonfactor since we don't know what it does, for instance, and we'd add in Evaporation of Sanity since I can't imagine his full sheet in the materials not having that when it comes out. We'd also need to talk about his unused Noble Phantasm to decide how to make it work since we don't have the clearest idea.
If you're fine with all of that, though, then by all means!
If you're fine with all of that, though, then by all means!
@Crusader Lord Both are fine! I'm going to be kinda picky on applications for Saver for obvious reasons, though, just as a heads-up!
@Yankee A little bit of column A and a little bit of column B. My understanding is hat EX means a sort of exception value that can't be contained by the usual ranking system. That means that it's classified like that because it's weird and doesn't play well with the ranks at some level, but at the same time, if something's able to be classified like that, it's probably going to be pretty up there as opposed to being equal to an E rank ability.
I'd recommend staying away from EX parameters unless you think it's really well-justified, but I'll be much more open to EX skills and, to a slightly lesser extent, Noble Phantasms.
I'd recommend staying away from EX parameters unless you think it's really well-justified, but I'll be much more open to EX skills and, to a slightly lesser extent, Noble Phantasms.
@Yankee So, this is actually a really good question, thanks for asking that.
For two 'normal' ranks, like A and B, I always see them as rough gauges rather than absolute statements. Not every Servant with B Strength will be 100% equal in an arm-wrestle, for instance. And at the same time, if you're really low on energy, it might be possible for you to lose an arm-wrestle to someone that your parameters say you're stronger than.
Also, we see in canon that the parameters are inclusive of a few different things. For instance, Agility includes dexterity, but also movement speed (Kojiro from Fate/Stay Night has higher Agility than Cu Chulainn, but Cu Chulainn is faster). So it's possible for a Servant to have sky-high Agility, but that refers largely to their dexterity and their movement speed is actually pretty low, like with Kojiro.
This is a bit of a messy system, but the way I think I'm going to handle it is by treating the parameters as those rough guidelines, but as generally pretty 'fixed'. If a Servant with higher strength gets into a direct physical clash with another, the former will win. With Agility specifically, I'll also be using the classes as a way of deciding movement speed (we know Lancers are generally faster, for example, so in a foot race, a Lancer could beat another Servant with equal or even higher Agility).
If a Servant is injured or otherwise not in top performance, that'll be a little different and I'll decide things like that more case-by-case, since it's hard to make hard rules for something so situational.
For + and -, we actually know what they mean in canon!
So, a + on parameters means that usually your parameter's the base rank, but in set circumstances, it can go higher for a moment. For example, Mordred's B+ strength means her strength is usually B (which has a value of 40), but when she bursts really hard, she can double that to 80 for a moment. With skills and Noble Phantasms, it's kind of similar, but instead of being instantaneous, the +s are more like conditions. For instance, Semiramis has C+ Presence Concealment, which means that her usual Presence Concealment is just C, but the + lets her stay concealed even when she's poisoning stuff. Or if you had a Servant with B+ Item Construction who specializes in making swords, then you could say that your usual ability is B, but when you're making swords, the + is active and it's actually above even A rank.
A - is a little easier to explain. It means that in terms of 'rank' you're at that level, but it's kind of unstable, and in practice it's usually a little below that rank or maybe even one full rank lower. For instance, Mordred has C- Charisma, and can only show her full potential in a rebellion. That means if she's leading a rebellion, she has C Charisma, but if she's not, then it's actually a little below C or closer to D rank.
This is all a little long-winded, but I hope that helps clear things up!
@King Cosmos Got it!
For two 'normal' ranks, like A and B, I always see them as rough gauges rather than absolute statements. Not every Servant with B Strength will be 100% equal in an arm-wrestle, for instance. And at the same time, if you're really low on energy, it might be possible for you to lose an arm-wrestle to someone that your parameters say you're stronger than.
Also, we see in canon that the parameters are inclusive of a few different things. For instance, Agility includes dexterity, but also movement speed (Kojiro from Fate/Stay Night has higher Agility than Cu Chulainn, but Cu Chulainn is faster). So it's possible for a Servant to have sky-high Agility, but that refers largely to their dexterity and their movement speed is actually pretty low, like with Kojiro.
This is a bit of a messy system, but the way I think I'm going to handle it is by treating the parameters as those rough guidelines, but as generally pretty 'fixed'. If a Servant with higher strength gets into a direct physical clash with another, the former will win. With Agility specifically, I'll also be using the classes as a way of deciding movement speed (we know Lancers are generally faster, for example, so in a foot race, a Lancer could beat another Servant with equal or even higher Agility).
If a Servant is injured or otherwise not in top performance, that'll be a little different and I'll decide things like that more case-by-case, since it's hard to make hard rules for something so situational.
For + and -, we actually know what they mean in canon!
So, a + on parameters means that usually your parameter's the base rank, but in set circumstances, it can go higher for a moment. For example, Mordred's B+ strength means her strength is usually B (which has a value of 40), but when she bursts really hard, she can double that to 80 for a moment. With skills and Noble Phantasms, it's kind of similar, but instead of being instantaneous, the +s are more like conditions. For instance, Semiramis has C+ Presence Concealment, which means that her usual Presence Concealment is just C, but the + lets her stay concealed even when she's poisoning stuff. Or if you had a Servant with B+ Item Construction who specializes in making swords, then you could say that your usual ability is B, but when you're making swords, the + is active and it's actually above even A rank.
A - is a little easier to explain. It means that in terms of 'rank' you're at that level, but it's kind of unstable, and in practice it's usually a little below that rank or maybe even one full rank lower. For instance, Mordred has C- Charisma, and can only show her full potential in a rebellion. That means if she's leading a rebellion, she has C Charisma, but if she's not, then it's actually a little below C or closer to D rank.
This is all a little long-winded, but I hope that helps clear things up!
@King Cosmos Got it!
@Mr President
Thanks, that solves a few questions I had. I'll wait until we have a CS model to fill to decide what to do for good.
Sounds good! I'm a little busy with new years stuff today, but a character sheet should be up by tomorrow!
Edit: Since I had some questions in PMs about class skills, especially for the Extra classes, I've added little blurbs on what each class skill does to the Servant Classes collapse.
@Yankee Okay, great!
@KoL Great questions! I'll just address each of them individually.
Eastern heroes and anti-heroes are both allowed.
For King Arthur, I'm fine with allowing either Artoria or Arthur, but not both, so that would depend on which one someone wants to apply (someone using Arthur would lock another player from using Artoria later, and vice versa).
For Musashi, the case there is something I'd rather avoid since girl Musashi really shouldn't be summonable and has some indeterminate stuff I don't want to touch, and guy Musashi's in a weird spot as well due to being largely incomplete. If someone really, really wants to play them, I'm open to at least talking about it, but like with Foreigners, I am pretty iffy and would really prefer you look elsewhere.
I have no issues with powerful Servants usually, since I think they're kind of self-balancing. If someone applies Heracles, for instance, unless you're confident you can beat him one-on-one (unlikely), you'd probably respond by trying to make a coalition of everyone else to focus on getting him out of the way first, so the rest of you can fight one another without that worry. With that said, I do think there's an upper limit of Servants that I'd rather not touch because they give such a huge advantage even with the factor of coalitions. Gilgamesh is the most egregious example, but Ozymandias and a non-Berserker Heracles would also be on the list.
@KoL Great questions! I'll just address each of them individually.
Eastern heroes and anti-heroes are both allowed.
For King Arthur, I'm fine with allowing either Artoria or Arthur, but not both, so that would depend on which one someone wants to apply (someone using Arthur would lock another player from using Artoria later, and vice versa).
For Musashi, the case there is something I'd rather avoid since girl Musashi really shouldn't be summonable and has some indeterminate stuff I don't want to touch, and guy Musashi's in a weird spot as well due to being largely incomplete. If someone really, really wants to play them, I'm open to at least talking about it, but like with Foreigners, I am pretty iffy and would really prefer you look elsewhere.
I have no issues with powerful Servants usually, since I think they're kind of self-balancing. If someone applies Heracles, for instance, unless you're confident you can beat him one-on-one (unlikely), you'd probably respond by trying to make a coalition of everyone else to focus on getting him out of the way first, so the rest of you can fight one another without that worry. With that said, I do think there's an upper limit of Servants that I'd rather not touch because they give such a huge advantage even with the factor of coalitions. Gilgamesh is the most egregious example, but Ozymandias and a non-Berserker Heracles would also be on the list.
@Mr President
Oh, Faker's class skills are pretty cool. As for Foreigner, RIP. Guess I'll bench my Caligula for another RP. Looking at the classes again, I might just go ahead and run a Saber I've been meaning to play, though one of the Extra classes is still on the table if they don't get swarmed...
That said, seeing that Ruler is a playable Servant, how will they be handled in this roleplay given their particular skillset? Will they be summoned as a competing Servant, or will the player fill the role of moderator?
Alrighty, I'll put you down as Saber for now, then!
So, I was thinking of using an 'Exceptional Benefit' system like I've seen in a couple of roleplays, since that feels like a pretty cool way of giving every Master their own special flair. Basically, every Master will have their own special edge coming in, like a special Mystic Code or prep time in Fuyuki before the war starts.
I'm not decided on this, but for Ruler, I'll probably be using an NPC Ruler myself if we wind up getting more people- in that case, a player Ruler would either be working for him (they'd basically be working as a pseudo-NPC), or I'll let a Master summon them by cheating the system as their Exceptional Benefit. If it's the latter, though, I'll probably be capping the Ruler Command Spells at one-per-Servant.
If people have suggestions, I'm open to them though!
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