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In Defense Of The Genre [Part II]

I won't get everything I want out of your decisions, @Hank, but that's fine. I'm glad that some progress, any progress, has resulted from this, and that with some cooperation between users and staff, we might never again have to create a thread like this and let it grow so big and urgent. I'm satisfied with the compromise.

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Maybe one of the other five mods can fill in, then? Surely not all of you are "feeling unwell" simultaneously.

I hope you get better soon.

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He's a hobbyist website admin, not the despot of a banana republic. He doesn't "lead" anybody. He gives you a space to fulfill your roleplaying needs, and we (the rest of the staff) help him take care of spambots, misplaced posts and trolls. That's it. That's all this place is. And frankly, your assumptions about his motives for creating, hosting and maintaining the site are disingenuous, and comparing a -- let me remind you again -- hobbyist forum to a democratic nation is at least melodramatic, if not outright ridiculous.

And by the way, websites are never democratic. The internet is an exercise in benevolent dictatorship to begin with.

If you thought my earlier post was vitriolic I implore you to reconsider your knowledge of the meaning of that word, but fear not -- I'll educate you on its meaning right now. Many of the points raised in this thread are valid. Yours are not. I don't appreciate your sensationalism and I'd prefer if you just keep out of the conversation entirely if you can't manage a reasonable level of discourse. Several people have complained in this very thread that users are blowing the issues out of proportion and your post is a textbook example of that very same thing. Overthrow Mahz? What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have the slightest idea how the internet works? And are you seriously implying that he go read a book written about war to learn how to administrate a hobbyist internet forum?

You need to get some perspective.

@Hank

I don't really buy this excuse, seeing as how people have raised many of RWBY's valid points already, without the same melodramatic rhetoric, and you've been perfectly content to ignore them too.

For example:

The majority staff isn't just eneough transparent, mature, and open enough to criticism to come here and discuss this with the community. Of the ones that posted here until now, @Ruby and @NuttsnBolts, seen like they just came to try to save face and looking like they are open to discussion, when they trully aren't. In fact, Nutt's first post on this discussion was an open attempt to shut down all dialogue and shift the blame on the community and, especially @Cyndyr, this thread's OP.

@RWBY Spectre

@Nytem4re already raised this issue here. Where's his explanation, if the tone of one's writing is really the basis by which we judge his posts' worth? Seeing as how Nyt didn't allude to any totalitarian imagery, no one should have had any problems giving him a proper response in the 24 hours since he uploaded this post. Right?

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Heh. That’s funny given you just likened me to Vidkun Quisling, who supported the Nazi’s. This is how you want to talk to people – likening the moderators to actual fascists who exterminated several members of my family.

@Inkarnate

Well, the Nazis were the ones who exterminated/ousted anyone with differing ideologies...and you're currently defending the people on this site who issue unfair bans on the basis of these banned parties "setting dangerous precedents" and "sowing dissent"... and you're seemingly doing this purely for personal gain while pretending you're doing it for the good of the site (your "nation," analogically) ...

so yeah it's pretty accurate.

Also, literally using "muh holocaust" to make people feel sorry for you, classy move.

Favorite Food?

the guy who mentioned potatoes put me in the mood, so here are some homemade potatoes and onions au gratin.

Guest starring: Rodenbach Classic Sour.

Hider

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@Inkarnate Are you saying that an action is justified simply because the moderators say it's OK? Sounds an awful lot like an "appeal to authority" to me.

Not as catchy as "false equivalency," I'll admit, but ... ;)

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@Inkarnate Whether the mods petitioned you to gather these screenshots, or whether your own Quisling spirit spurned you to gather them of your own accord, is quite irrelevant, because that's not the question at hand. The question is: did the mods accept your screenshots once you delivered them, and once in their possession, did these screenshots make an impact on their decisions and actions to follow?

If so, then they're still hypocrites, because they have benefited from the same "tactics" and behaviors as which they berate in passages like this:

Your actions here, combined with Grim's actions, and even the actions of the staff, have affected many members in a negitive [sic] way. Friendships have been lost, trust shattered throughout the community, and the screenshots of who is the worse person needs [sic] to stop if we have any desire to move forward.

NuttsnBolts

And really this little hypocrisy is microcosmic of the much larger ones at hand, both confirmed and speculated.

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@inkarnate You think a private Discord channel being discontent with the current state of the website, gathering evidence to support these grievances (ie. screenshots), and vocally expressing their opinions is a "dangerous precedent."

Whereas mods decrying this behavior and, in the same breath, sending forth their little spies to engage in it, is not hypocritical at all.

Because of a meme fallacy?

It's certainly an equivalency, but not a false one. I begin to suspect you're just using big words and hoping their academic airs will intimidate the meanieheads back into their dark corner without putting up any more of a fight.

You also either didn't read the thread, or, while attempting to read it, failed to comprehend its contents, as evidenced in the fact that you're still persuaded that @Nytem4re is only here to "sow dissent," spread drama, and otherwise watch the site burn. I guess it's impossible that he feels like his and his friend's bans were unjust, seeing as how the mods are perfect and above having to follow their own rules.

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@Inkarnate What I'm gathering from your "logic" is that sharing screenshots is perfectly okay as long as we enter a knee-jerk panic-response about how dangerous the screenshot's contents are.

And/or as long as I'm snitching to a mod and not to [insert person who mods dislike here].

This is pretty pathetic even as far as mental gymnastics go, seeing as how it's an eloquent, dressed up way of saying "as I say, not as I do."