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China wouldn't join the war.
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The Nexerus said
A nation flatly declaring a conflict between a Muslim Empire and a Christian Empire to be 'jihad' is inviting China to declare war on Russia on the basis of a non-existent blood connection between the Turks and the Chinese. I don't think there's any word that describes such a scenario better than 'desperation'.


If you look at where TURKmenistan is on the map, you'll notice it's right next to China. The Turks came about as a result of the Mongol invasions and the many Khanates which Russia later conquered.

In any case, all things in the IC are rhetoric and counter-rhetoric when it comes down to it, whether China even reacts isn't in my plans, I'm just pointing out the potential enemies Russia is making, ICly, rather than debating it here with you :)

@rare, I look forward to reading all your thoughts on the war in Europe as it develops (despite the fact you're awfully anti-Allies)
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Well, a new IC post is up. You should all read it.
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^ I already did. I'll neglect commenting on it in full, but suffice to say I think its even more silly than the Anglo-French blockade of the Atlantic Ocean and declaration of war on the United States of America. Any amount of realism has gone out the window at this point, not necessarily in the tone of writing, but in the actual actions and decisions being made.

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If you look at where TURKmenistan is on the map, you'll notice it's right next to China. The Turks came about as a result of the Mongol invasions and the many Khanates which Russia later conquered.


Even if we pretend that there is anything more than a superficial relationship between the Turks of Anatolia and the Turkic peoples of Central Asia (especially in the late 19th century), what relation do the Han Chinese have to the Turks?
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^ I already did. I'll neglect commenting on it in full, but suffice to say I think its even more silly than the Anglo-French blockade of the Atlantic Ocean and declaration of war on the United States of America. Any amount of realism has gone out the window at this point, not necessarily in the tone of writing, but in the actual actions and decisions being made.


Says the guy who conquered Belgium *cough*

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Even if we pretend that there is anything more than a superficial relationship between the Turks of Anatolia and the Turkic peoples of Central Asia (especially in the late 19th century), what relation do the have to the Turks?


*Read in as patronising a voice as possible*

Once upon a time, long ago, the Mongols did a lot of baaaad things. They conquered many places. Like China. And much of Russia. And they even reached Anatolia and eastern Europe. That was looong ago. The Mongol Empire broke up into many pieces. Many converted to Islam. They had wars with the non-Muslim Mongols. They grew weak, and China regained its independence. Over the years, Mongols settled all over the place. The Tatars, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Turks and others, are all linked with those Mongols and the Chinese they mingled with in some way or another. The end.

I don't think we need to look that much deeper in to this.
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I don't see how reclaiming Belgium is the same as the demands an uncivilized nation are trying to make.
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Says the guy who conquered Belgium


Thereby restoring the Lowlands to their status as of 1839. If you think the unification of the Netherlands and Belgium is silly or unrealistic, you don't know much about either state's history.

Kho said muh mongols


The Osman dynasty isn't descended from the Mongols, and neither are the Turks of the Ottoman Empire—or the Han Chinese, for that matter.
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NarcolepticSailor said
I don't see how reclaiming Belgium is the same as the demands an uncivilized nation are trying to make.


This is the last I'm going to say before I go.

China...uncivilised???!!! I give up.
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I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.
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I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.


Truly, Europe should be shaking in its boots.

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The Nexerus said
Truly, Europe should be shaking in its boots.


F/GB=35
China=1500 XD
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Kho said
This is the last I'm going to say before I go.China...uncivilised???!!! I give up.


Do they have a flag?

And there's a minus sign next to the British casualties. Clearly they actually found 20 men lying around, and conscripted them.
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Do they have a flag?


No flag no country.
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Flooby Badoop said
Do they have a flag?And there's a minus sign next to the British casualties. Clearly they actually found 20 men lying around, and conscripted them.


Definitely what I am doing in this war...

but imagine China with British/French training and equipment...
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Flooby Badoop said Do they have a flag?

The flag of the Qing Empire was adopted in the 1880s. The Chinese never had a reason to have a flag since, unlike their European counterparts, they didn't need one to differentiate themselves from their neighbors. They were top dog for most of their existence, so it was somewhat pointless.
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Pasta Sentient said
Definitely what I am doing in this war...but imagine China with British/French training and equipment...


Who said I'm training the savages?
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Pasta Sentient said
Definitely what I am doing in this war...but imagine China with British/French training and equipment...


I don't think it quite works that way. I mean look at Iraq and their army after everything the United States did. This would be on a much larger scale and would probably cost the both of you a great deal of money.
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Pasta Sentient said imagine China with British/French training and equipment...


Turns out someone did, and it didn't make much of a difference. The RoC didn't last long.
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How am I anti-Allies?
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I don't think it quite works that way. I mean look at Iraq and their army after everything the United States did. This would be on a much larger scale and would probably cost the both of you a great deal of money.

Iraq is a bit of a different story. This would be the equivalent of selling weapons to China and then China equipping themselves, not overthrowing its government and establishing a new one with new institutions and technology.

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Turns out someone did, and it didn't make much of a difference. The RoC didn't last long.

Also not a relevant example. We have warlords, the Japanese, and the Soviets to thank for the failure of the Republic of China, not the integration of new technology. What would theoretically happen here is that Britain and France sell schematics to a more open-minded Qing Empire for it to strengthen itself. In fact, you could probably compare it to a Self-Strengthening Movement that has Qing's full support and the support of foreign powers. In other words, it'd be a wildly successful version of what Qing tried to do in real life.
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