Dedonus said
That actually sounds like the policy of a current ingame nation. I wonder who.

Did So Boerd play out Russia's orders? I know he was asked to.

Ampharos said If I was Russia, I would have just stuck to myself and let the rest of Europe sort out its business.

Russia has a rather large debt, don't they?

AegonVI said
Did So Boerd play out Russia's orders? I know he was asked to.

I know TG outside of RPG. He gave me the rough idea, I wrote the finer points.

The Nexerus said
Russia has a rather large debt, don't they?

Nice creditors are nice, aren't they?

Well with Russia Blockaded and China/Japan on their doorstep....

I don't see how Russia can't default here shortly.

The Nexerus said
Russia has a rather large debt, don't they?

That is a rather astute observation.

AegonVI said
Did So Boerd play out Russia's orders? I know he was asked to.

I meant Sweden (or the Scandinavian Commonwealth). We're just sitting back and letting Europe go at it. :D

Pasta Sentient said
Well with Russia Blockaded and China/Japan on their doorstep....I don't see how Russia can't default here shortly.

You way overestimate China and Japan. The Russian Far East is the finest territory for guerilla operations in the whole world. Invading and defeating Russia from the east is impossible.

So Boerd said
You way overestimate China and Japan. The Russian Far East is the finest territory for guerilla operations in the whole world. Invading and defeating Russia from the east is impossible.

The problem is getting those Guerrillas there. And it's either way, China and Japan have access to Russia's east. THat has to hurt economically. Russia is blockaded entirely. Their work force is essentially gone off to war...

So Boerd said
You way overestimate China and Japan. The Russian Far East is the finest territory for guerilla operations in the whole world. Invading and defeating Russia from the east is impossible.

Basically this. I don't think that China or Japan can do anything else aside from having taken Vladivostok. I mean, are they going to force march through Siberia? They'd basically kill their soldiers so they can say they have control of basically nothing.

Pasta Sentient said
Well with Russia Blockaded and China/Japan on their doorstep....I don't see how Russia can't default here shortly.

This isn't Axis and Allies. :D

Pasta Sentient said
The problem is getting those Guerrillas there. And it's either way, China and Japan have access to Russia's east. THat has to hurt economically. Russia is blockaded entirely. Their work force is essentially gone off to war...

Honestly, Russia can take its sweet time getting soldiers there. Siberia will defend itself. Having troops there only accelerates the deaths of those on the offense.

Pepperm1nts said
Honestly, Russia can take its sweet time getting soldiers there. Siberia will defend itself. Having troops there only accelerates the deaths of those on the offense.

Basically this.

Russia has been in far worse situations and this is not that bad in comparison.

Pasta Sentient said
The problem is getting those Guerrillas there. And it's either way, China and Japan have access to Russia's east. THat has to hurt economically. Russia is blockaded entirely. Their work force is essentially gone off to war...

They live there. It will be like the Boer wars but 100,000 times worse.

So Boerd said
You way overestimate China and Japan. The Russian Far East is the finest territory for guerilla operations in the whole world. Invading and defeating Russia from the east is impossible.

Guerrilla operations loyal to the Russian Empire, though? Russia had a nasty habit of exiling people disloyal to it to Siberia, and combined with the native population, I don't think there are that many pro-Russian Empire inhabitants, at least not enough to make a meaningful difference.

So Boerd said
They live there. It will be like the Boer wars but 100,000 times worse.

No it won't because China isn't invading Siberia in a war of conquest. They're waging war against Russia for Manchurian-populated lands in the East.

It would make more sense for guerrillas to side against the Russian Empire, all things considered, e.g. Russia's crippling debt, the large number of exiles and political opponents, the number of people who aren't of Russian descent, etc, etc.

NarcolepticSailor said
Basically this. I don't think that China or Japan can do anything else aside from having taken Vladivostok. I mean, are they going to force march through Siberia? They'd basically kill their soldiers so they can say they have control of basically nothing.

That's more or less all there is in East Russia except to sweep the provinces along the Sino-Russian border and put holes in whatever progress Russia made in the Trans-Siberian Railway which, btw, runs along this border to Vladivostok.

Actually invading Siberia isn't necessary. Any armies that are moving through the region are more numerous in population than entire regions.

Ampharos said
Guerrilla operations loyal to the Russian Empire, though?

They're not any more likely to support the Chinese and Japanese.

Pepperm1nts said
They're not any more likely to support the Chinese and Japanese.

Yeah, but this is a war for retaking Outer Manchuria, not Siberia. With this logic, guerrillas would be more likely to support anti-Russian invaders.

Ampharos said
Yeah, but this is a war for retaking Outer Manchuria, not Siberia. With this logic, guerrillas would be more likely to support anti-Russian invaders.

In outer Manchuria, but not any farther.

Everyone calm down and enjoy this artistic masterpiece! Make mediocre GMOD videos, not war!

So Boerd said
In outer Manchuria, but not any farther.

And why not? You are a native of Siberia or a political opponent of the Russian Empire. China and Japan come invading with the intent of kicking Russia out of the region, and what are you going to do? Probably, you're not going to do anything, but you're certainly more likely to support China and Japan over Russia simply because they're the enemy of your enemy.

Chairman Stein said
Everyone calm down

This is actually a really civil discussion. We don't need to be afraid of conversation just because there have been some spats in the past. In fact, it'd be really silly to not discuss this game in the OOC.