kapuchu said
Ah. Oh well, I edited what I wrote anyway. It should still work well enough to convince Herr Doktor :Pp.s - Posted!p.p.s - Woo! OOC Post #900 is mine!

I got 666 and 777. Better luck next time.

kapuchu said
Ah. Oh well, I edited what I wrote anyway. It should still work well enough to convince Herr Doktor :Pp.s - Posted!p.p.s - Woo! OOC Post #900 is mine!

One thing doesn't add up, its the inquisitors Scalpel healed, as they were all unconscious during his ministrations and wouldn't know who had healed them.

Also once Scalpel has figured out he has been duped by this, he will be raging to the extreme.

I do think one or two of them were conscious, at least for a little while, and long enough to register that someone was treating them, and what he looked like.

Also, who says he'll ever know he was duped? :p Amaretto's not going to just hand over the key, y'know xD

kapuchu said
I do think one or two of them were conscious, at least for a little while, and long enough to register that someone was treating them, and what he looked like. Also, who says he'll ever know he was duped? :p Amaretto's not going to just hand over the key, y'know xD

Y'see, if he doesn't do that then Scalpel won't actually deal with him, Scalpel deals with assurances and commitment, but primarily he gets paid first, he doesn't pussyfoot around the issue. You either give him what he wants or he simply won't deal with you, and I ain't being unreasonably about this, as its actually something I'd do if I was him.

He isn't Nikola Tesla, and Ammy isn't Thomas Edison.

let's see what happens, shall we? I still have a few tricks up my sleeve.

kapuchu said
let's see what happens, shall we? I still have a few tricks up my sleeve.

Sure if you want, I am sorry if I come across as a difficult partner, but I am staying within the cut-throat character of my well.. character.

If I have to be honest, it does feel like you just don't want Amaretto to get the insight knowledge he's after, and does a bit of meta-gaming by having him refuse because you, as a player, knows it's a fake.

I know you probably don't, but I can't help but feel that way :/ Sorry.

kapuchu said
If I have to be honest, it feel like you just don't want Amaretto to get the insight knowledge he's after, and does a bit of meta-gaming by having him refuse because you, as a player, knows it's a fake. I know you probably don't, but I can't help but feel that way :/ Sorry.

to be fair, Scalpel is insanely paranoid, that was one of his founding traits, and I'd be damned if I said I wasn't a little unintentionally biased in favour of Ammy getting nowhere with this, as technically I wasn't planning on Thea knowing about what the Doctor was up to at ALL, you threw me a curveball with your little Nightmare pony and I had to run with it.

Also I need justification for you not simply busting in an incinerating me, it might not seem fair, but then I am not playing an all powerful deity now am I?

That last comment was unnecessary, Eldritch... Regardless, I get the justifications and the reasons for why, but given the circumstances... Anywho. I don't want bad blood between us, and that counts for everyone, so, as I said before, let's just see how it goes. It's no use arguing the hows and whys here.

kapuchu said
That last comment was unnecessary, Eldritch... Regardless, I get the justifications and the reasons for why, but given the circumstances... Anywho. I don't want bad blood between us, and that counts for everyone, so, as I said before, let's just see how it goes. It's no use arguing the hows and whys here.

I may have been I guess, but I still think its an important point. I honestly don't want to have to make contrived reasons simply to continue playing this, and I know from past experience that whenever someone plays a villainous character and the villain gets caught doing something that the "good" players can realistically know about, they go in like sharks with fresh blood in their nostrils.

Anyway, I plan on continuing the deal regardless, I ain't interested in this ending with nothing, and I don't mean to create bad blood, just to lay out my caution about this entire scenario and the possibility that it'd compromise realistic gameplay.

EldritchOne said
I may have been I guess, but I still think its an important point. I honestly don't want to have to make contrived reasons simply to continue playing this, and I know from past experience that whenever someone plays a villainous character and the villain gets caught doing something that the "good" players can realistically know about, they go in like sharks with fresh blood in their nostrils.Anyway, I plan on continuing the deal regardless, I ain't interested in this ending with nothing, and I don't mean to create bad blood, just to lay out my caution about this entire scenario and the possibility that it'd compromise realistic gameplay.

t'is the reason I don't play a villainous character. I enjoy friendly character interaction, so I prefer to avoid them xP Though I do make the occasional grumpy and provocative bastard like Amaretto xD

kapuchu said
t'is the reason I don't play a villainous character. I enjoy friendly character interaction, so I prefer to avoid them xP Though I do make the occasional grumpy and provocative bastard like Amaretto xD

Its part of why I have been attempting to make Scalpel far more morally ambiguous as a character of late, and that'll actually extend past this into the possibility of godhood with him using the idea of "Utopia justifies the means" in his character.

If I was to be perfectly honest with you guys, at best your gods don't actually come across terribly well either, they have from an outsiders perspective a disturbing lack of care regarding most mortals and some serious personality issues and Knight's Templarish politics. Take in point that Thea glassed a town for having a population of cultists and didn't really spare much thought to the fact that she might have well killed a lot of innocents in the progress, Crashing literally drowned a city in a state of rage and barely spared it a thought either over the fact he basically slaughtered a population nearly 90% of citizens and is now waging war on a faction using abominations from beneath the oceans, and Torrential has basically started a pony-made famine with his spell for a slight given to him by one pony and which could end up killing thousands if they don't immediately agree to terms.

I don't mean to be critical or dickish, but if I had you as gods I'd run as far away from you as I possibly could.

Theá had been running around the town for the entire time she was fighting, checking for any survivors. The only living ponies she found were cultists. They attacked her, and she retaliated. Old Hoof was abandoned and infested with nothing but undead and cultists, so she didn't kill innocents. I have no justification for Crashing or Torrential, but let's just say that there's this whole "wrath of God" thing going on. When they get mad it's off the scale.

So, of the three you have listed, the only mortals Theá has killed attacked her first. She adopts the philosophy of the predator, that she kills for two reasons: To protect, or to feed, and I've stuck with that. It's for the same reason that she doesn't just impale Scalpel, because she's not sure of his guilt yet. She suspects, yes, but unless she's sure she won't do anything.

But, still, they're Gods. The individual pony, or a few hundreds of them, means very little in the grand scheme of things. I honestly don't think they're all that different from the Christian gods, nor even the gods of any religion. Also, the whole personality thing... Well, we do have that "Divine Flaw" thing :P

I find it amusing that, the goddess of battle so far has one of the cleanest records in regards to killing things.
With the exception of fighting the Cultists in Trottingham (iirc that's what it was), she hasn't done a whole lot of slaying.

Of course that's likely to change, but nonetheless.

Oi, Theá's record is just as clean :P She hasn't done unjustified killing xP

kapuchu said
Theá had been running around the town for the entire time she was fighting, checking for any survivors. The only living ponies she found were cultists. They attacked her, and she retaliated. Old Hoof was abandoned and infested with nothing but undead and cultists, so she didn't kill innocents. I have no justification for Crashing or Torrential, but let's just say that there's this whole "wrath of God" thing going on. When they get mad it's off the scale. So, of the three you have listed, the only mortals Theá has killed attacked her first. She adopts the philosophy of the predator, that she kills for two reasons: To protect, or to feed, and I've stuck with that. It's for the same reason that she doesn't just impale Scalpel, because she's not sure of his guilt yet. She suspects, yes, but unless she's sure she won't do anything. But, still, they're Gods. The individual pony, or a few hundreds of them, means very little in the grand scheme of things. I honestly don't think they're all that different from the Christian gods, nor even the gods of any religion. Also, the whole personality thing... Well, we do have that "Divine Flaw" thing :P

Yeah I'd say my Thea argument was the weakest really, I guess I raised it because the last time I had a discussion about Scalpel in here and his motives Bright started monologuing in character and which sort of gave off the idea that the gods have the moral high ground in their reactions.

If I was to be blunt about my character, I don't think he is utterly and irredeemably evil, and most of his actions have largely been not particularly evil asides from some iffy moral principles over whether his frankensteinian actions are actually evil in themselves. Take for instance that most of the people he has killed or reworked into his creations have been almost as bad, if not worse than him. From the beginning we have him killing brutally xenophobic soldiers from the Earthborn, psychotic cultists, and his most recent army has been created out of bandits, looters and rapists. He has refused to actually murder the population of Woodswatch and has left it as alone as he could in that regard, and most of his threats have actually been relatively justified measures against possible betrayal. There is also the point that one of his primary reasons for attaining godhood in the first place is to actually help and protect his niece, and largely he hasn't been involved in killing innocents. There is also the fact that while he is creating Frankenstein like horrors, he actually gives a damn about them -unlike Frankenstein himself- and cares for their wellbeing, and he'd actually be pretty upset if one of them were to get destroyed, especially Lambda and Tsan. You can take is bad history in the Domes as a counter argument to this, but I honestly like to think that I am portraying a relatively complex character who'd actually make people pause and consider him from either side before outright purging him.

I don't know if its particularly effective, but I hope it does show through.

There's no question that he wants what is good for Equestria. He wants to save the country, and the ponies within. He's just... morally questionable. The end justifies the means, basically. But even if he only wants to save the country, it's not what Theá sees. She is stubborn as fuck (as I think I have managed to portray), and will not agree that any but her own way of restoring Equestria is the right way: To find Luna and Celestia, and bring them back. It may be a selfish wish that she just wants to see them again, but even if it is, it's still a dual purpose reason (does that make sense?).

But, yeah, you have managed to portray a complex character, but the nature of his actions does make it a bit difficult to actually see that what he does is for the "greater good." Also... that machine god. I hope you have a good explanation for it, as it isn't EQD Canon, and it's a pretty big thing to just come up with a new god out of nowhere. Could you trow me a PM with what you have about it? I'd like to know just what it is.

kapuchu said
Oi, Theá's record is just as clean :P She hasn't done unjustified killing xP

Nonetheless. Armifera hasn't blown any towns off the map, justified or not.

So there.

Of course, that may change, we'll have to see what happens.

EDIT: And to weigh in on what our different characters want. Armifera doesn't necessarily desire the return of Luna and Celestia, she simply wants to stab the bad ones and help the good ones do good. As long as Scalpel wouldn't seek her destruction on principle, and didn't unleash some reign of terror on unwilling ponies, she'd be more or less chill.
Well, she wouldn't freak out over mind-slaving bandits as undead part machine abominations, it'd depend how far he went.

kapuchu said
There's no question that he wants what is good for Equestria. He wants to save the country, and the ponies within. He's just... morally questionable. The end justifies the means, basically. But even if he only wants to save the country, it's not what Theá sees. She is stubborn as fuck (as I think I have managed to portray), and will not agree that any but her own way of restoring Equestria is the right way: To find Luna and Celestia, and bring them back. It may be a selfish wish that she just wants to see them again, but even if it is, it's still a dual purpose reason (does that make sense?). But, yeah, you have managed to portray a complex character, but the nature of his actions make it a bit difficult to actually see that what he does is for the "greater good." Also... that machine god. I hope you have a good explanation for it, as it isn't EQD Canon, and it's a pretty big thing to just come up with a new god out of nowhere. Could you trow me a PM with what you have about it? I'd like to know just what it is.

U Got mail.

That's one of the things I like about this Roleplay - most of the player characters do things that are questionable, demonstrating their flaws and strengths. Even Scalpel's intentions are interesting - questionable acts they are, he's trying to do for what he sees as a good. He sees a future where Machine and Magic will improve ponykind. Granted, for many this is not a good idea, but one can consider it a benevolent goal at the very least.

Sweeper may have not nuked a town or two, but it's not like she's totally pure. She stole from the bakery, and probably caused a bit of havoc in the past. One time (in her backstory), she lead a bunch of Everfree ponies to ransack a garbage dump, all because the owner didn't listen to the alicorn. And she probably did give some ponies some unwanted haircuts...