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Or really powerful mundane weapons. She's got A-Rank Magical Resistance, after all. Any magic weapon will pretty much just slide off, unless it's explicitly designed to go through magical resistances.

In that case there's the Wounded Fury, Dragonslayer, Claim Solais, Joyeuse, True Dragon Sword, Blade of the Archfiend, Mistilteinn, the Giant's Sword, Almace, and probably more than a few game swords I'm forgetting.

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In that case there's the Wounded Fury, Dragonslayer, Claim Solais, Joyeuse, True Dragon Sword, Blade of the Archfiend, Mistilteinn, the Giant's Sword, Almace, and probably more than a few game swords I'm forgetting.

Every single named weapon from Fate/Stay Night...

If Saber was immune to magic weapons, F/SN would have no story.

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Every single named weapon from Fate/Stay Night...

If Saber was immune to magic weapons, F/SN would have no story.

I'm gonna stop trying to question why a character that's largely unfazed by magic and weapons is heavily fazed by magic weapons. Saber needs a way to make non-Servant characters into jobbers while still having a way to job to Servants, and it's also because of the Holy Grail's sick, sick needs.

Type-Moon Magic is Type-Moon Magic. It's like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure powers.

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I'm gonna stop trying to question why a character that's largely unfazed by magic and weapons is heavily fazed by magic weapons. Saber needs a way to make non-Servant characters into jobbers while still having a way to job to Servants, and it's also because of the Holy Grail's sick, sick needs.

She's immune to purely non-magic attacks with mundane levels of force through having magic armour (and prana burst).

She's immune to magic attacks through magic resistance.

She's not immune to ridiculously overkill nonmagical attacks, AKA Berserker hitting her with an enormous lump of rock with vastly inhuman force.

She's not immune to the sort of magical weaponry that can cope with the first defences I mentioned.

That is: Servant MR applies to magic itself, not magical.

Nono's super-strong stuff isn't relevant because she is pretty much not allowed to use it at all in the RP.

The exception is IF we ever get a scenario where she has that much room, enemies that warrant it, and I okay it, which is extremely unlikely.

The agreement for her acceptance was that she can't use her overkill attacks because of collateral damage.

I'd also like to point out that, out of the characters mentioned as being stronger than her... Samurai Jack has the best chance because he's so incredibly skilled he could easily fight Saber. There's certainly plenty of ways to hurt her in the RP, but pure magical attacks? Kazuma's not looking good in that department given Saber's magic resistance. ^^;

But this is the reason SE mooks have magically-enhanced laser gun things, so they can hurt characters like Saber who have extreme resistance to mundane attacks and magic.

I was out for a while so I haven't had a chance to look at any bios as well. ^^;

Um, you perhaps never heard about no limits fallacy. which is both good and bad, I mean internet arguments about which fictional character wins are far from the nicest things to read.
Caster can actually make a large scale spell which would overwhelm even Saber's magic resistance. She did it in Fate/Hollow Ataraxia.
Also you forget that magic resistance doesn't work against Noble Phantasms and generally against higher forms of magic.
I am the representative of a top class nature spirit. Think of Arcueid or perhaps an entity closer to Gaia.
I control wind by sheer willpower so it cannot be sabotaged the way like magecraft does. If anything it's closer to the normal attacks delivered by a Servant.
Similarly I have absolutely no problem to harm spirits, even though Saber actually doesn't count as one. She's still kinda alive and that's why she cannot turn into spirit form.
Even if we discount all these Kazuma is ridiculously more powerful than Caster so even by brute force he can tear through Saber's defenses at will.
Given the interdimensional BS Kazuma can do I doubt even Avalon will be helpful.
Or just kill her via countless indirect means. Including turning Saber's Barrier of the Wind King against herself.
So yeah, perish the though.

And I'd rather not wish to discuss any further how allies are supposed to murder each other.
Like I said, these kind of discussions have no point. I merely mentioned the standing of powers as per their original feats from their native universes. I kinda wish now that I kept my mouth shut.

Anyways, RP-wise I find it better if I don't just stomp my enemies even if I can make a reasoning why Kazuma is capable of that.
This is the difference between narrative and the objective analysis like what VS debates (mostly) try to do.
I play for the entertainment.

You know what, I can see this RPG's gonna be busy with this for a bit...

You know what, I can see this RPG's gonna be busy with this for a bit...

Yeah, it looks like Castle Tepes is going to be one hell of a warzone.

I suggest some sorta ORGANIZED discussion to do combat, because I'll be damned if these things aren't gonna pingpong back and forth a ton in the coming months.

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So... the character, as presented in the roleplay could: A) wreck most of a planet, B) equal Marble Phantasm in sheer damage within an area, C) ignore antimagic, D) ignore 'not a physical presence', and E) ignore perfect regeneration/not actually being where you're attacking (Avalon)?

I can understand wanting to play for the entertainment, but there's a point where the abilities get to be too much. No matter how much I want to, nobody is ever letting me play Gilgamesh or Accelerator. If your character has all that ability held back by sheer good will and the GM not being familiar with the series, it's not a good thing. :/

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So... the character, as presented in the roleplay could: A) wreck most of a planet, B) equal Marble Phantasm in sheer damage within an area, C) ignore antimagic, D) ignore 'not a physical presence', and E) ignore perfect regeneration/not actually being where you're attacking (Avalon)?

I can understand wanting to play for the entertainment, but there's a point where the abilities get to be too much. No matter how much I want to, nobody is ever letting me play Gilgamesh or Accelerator. If your character has all that ability held back by sheer good will and the GM not being familiar with the series, it's not a good thing. :/

Why wouldn't you be able to play Gilgamesh? Didn't Saber beat him?

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So... the character, as presented in the roleplay could: A) wreck most of a planet, B) equal Marble Phantasm in sheer damage within an area, C) ignore antimagic, D) ignore 'not a physical presence', and E) ignore perfect regeneration/not actually being where you're attacking (Avalon)?

I can understand wanting to play for the entertainment, but there's a point where the abilities get to be too much. No matter how much I want to, nobody is ever letting me play Gilgamesh or Accelerator. If your character has all that ability held back by sheer good will and the GM not being familiar with the series, it's not a good thing. :/

A.) Kazuma can wreck a country perhaps a bit more if we calculate the exact KE of his 200km wide hypersonic storm.
B) Well, I was talking more about the Lord of the Skies. Though effectively both Kazuma and Arcueid control the nature, though the effects are much different.
C.) Because I appear to be the only person here to know how exactly magic resistance works in the Nasuverse.
D.) Boo-hoo. I can't even count how many people can harm spirits and such.
E.) Saber's regeneration is nowhere perfect and it shocks me you find it anywhere impressive that somebody can overwhelm it. Hint: aim for the head. Granted, Kazuma when pissed can send out a wind-blade which then atomized the target. Again, if that's so dreadful then I guess gas chromatography methods are OP, too.
Avalon's trick is also nothing but to displace her to another dimension. Nice, except there are many characters who can attack across dimensions. Another thing is that Saber can actually see through this barrier, meaning there's a "channel" connecting the dimensions. Kazuma abused exactly this during the past.

Anyways, I can list several characters in this RP who are far more OP than Kazuma.
They might be intentionally nerfed in this game by not portraying them to this level but then we're pretty much talk about the same thing.
Character powers are way all over the scale and Saber is at best around midway.
BTW, isn't somebody using Gilgamesh in this RP?

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BTW, isn't somebody using Gilgamesh in this RP?

Final Fantasy Gilgamesh, not F/SN Gilgamesh

A) Mark one against him.
B) If he's parallel with Arcueid actually having her true powers, that's mark two.
C) So it's some weird thing that is magic but isn't magic, and being exploited for the purposes of a crossover. Not helping.
D) Well, ignoring every 'become incorporeal' power is convenient.
E) I was talking about Avalon's regeneration. The one that keeps Shirou alive as a fragment of its strength. The secondary ability to 'displaced from reality'. You know, the reason that Saber was the eternally youthful, undefeated King of Britain. I wasn't talking about passive Servant durability.

F) Wrong Gilgamesh; that's the Final Fantasy one, not the King of Heroes.

Given that it seems that you're using Outskirts Battledome for your character's powers rather then canon, and even if you are using canon that means this character is vastly more powerful then I initially believed, I'm going to have to ask you to retract the signup.

These explanations have revealed a lot more then your initial signup did.

Don't mistake me, I definitely feel that there are characters perfectly capable of defeating Saber in the RP and that is not why I am now retracting my acceptance. But the way you have described your characters powers vastly outdoes anything accepted in the RP(especially in terms of what I would accepted now rather then a few mistakes I made previously), and regardless of if it is based off of "analysis" or canon it is far too powerful.

I would argue your points but I'd rather not pursue anything involving a character that is no longer accepted in the RP.

Unless, of course, you're willing to list his abilities as they are explained in canon explicitly so I can judge this better. And if he could perform them in the RP.

- saber's regen even with avalon is pretty low tier even in her own verse, practically all of the DAAs, several aristoteles, the True Ancestors, ctchulumonster etc. all have better
-saber flat out states her magic resistance doesn't protect her from the true magics, the phantasmal species, and Caster would wear her down after subjecting her to to her magic for approximately 24 hours
-her magic resistance does nothing to magical weapons see every encounter with gilgamesh
- her magic resistance does nothing to magical summons see Zero Caster

- saber's regen even with avalon is pretty low tier even in her own verse, practically all of the DAAs, several aristoteles, the True Ancestors, ctchulumonster etc. all have better
-saber flat out states her magic resistance doesn't protect her from the true magics, the phantasmal species, and Caster would wear her down after subjecting her to to her magic for approximately 24 hours
-her magic resistance does nothing to magical weapons see every encounter with gilgamesh
- her magic resistance does nothing to magical summons see Zero Caster

Whoa, where did you come from all of a sudden? O_o

... Um... so what I was stating before? Magical weapons still hurt her, and the only real information we have on regneration directly is on a couple of those anyway.

... Are you planning on joining or is this just a random comment? ^^;

Sorry have been lurking and wanted to correct some things I saw

back to the shadows for now, I am a little too busy for another RP at the moment

So is it in bad form to ahave two of one's own characters meet?

Only in that it's a bit awkward to play both sides of the interaction.