@Turboshitter Lancer with D Luck?

GG guys, we have a winner.

gg end of the sixth holy grail war

also let's get the ball rolling here, I want it to be morning so things can happen.

Dirty A rank MR'er confirmed. Poor Caster can't rely on most of her magiks anymore :(.

Dirty A rank MR'er confirmed. Poor Caster can't rely on most of her magiks anymore :(.

Ma'am, I'd like to see your permit for that dragon blood. We have reason to believe you are in unlawful possession of it :P

Also I'm really curious about Saber's stats here.

Are the modifiers on her stats based on skills/NP or are they just there? Since if they are just there then all her stats are quadrupled and will be many times higher than anybody in the entire verse.

Executioner walking away from this potential fight

Also I'm really curious about Saber's stats here.

Are the modifiers on her stats based on skills/NP or are they just there? Since if they are just there then all her stats are quadrupled and will be many times higher than anybody in the entire verse.

Those are some big stats, and if what Sublimation says is true, Saber might need a debuff.

Also I'm really curious about Saber's stats here.

Are the modifiers on her stats based on skills/NP or are they just there? Since if they are just there then all her stats are quadrupled and will be many times higher than anybody in the entire verse.

Her stats come from a huge regional and fame bonus from being summoned within the premisses of her old empire (mind that Saber was sent to the GM before the OOC was made) and the fact that she's supposed to be an actually extremely important historic figure, so basically everyone in the world knows about her. Also she has a personal skill that boosts her stats even further. And, actually ++ means triple stats, not quadruple only her NP (originally A+) is quadrupled because of the bonus.

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Ma'am, I'd like to see your permit for that dragon blood. We have reason to believe you are in unlawful possession of it :P

There's not a single place that says that you have to have dragon blood to have A-rank magic resistance. Arthuria's just like that because it really can't go into EX, since only the Ruler class is outright immune to the Five Magics, see Joan of Arc's stats for an example. In fact, the base container of the Saber class has B-rank Magic Resistance, so a Saber can go bellow it unless she is under some curse, meaning that Sabers can either or A rank.

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Those are some big stats, and if what Sublimation says is true, Saber might need a debuff.

If the + signs activate under special conditions(rare special conditions at that), then that's fine. A temporary quadrupling in strength to overpower a sword lock or something is reasonable. I'm just saying that every stat being better than Heracles's under mad enhancement by a value of one hundred is really odd if its something that's permanently there.

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Her stats come from a huge regional and fame bonus from being summoned within the premisses of her old empire (mind that Saber was sent to the GM before the OOC was made) and the fact that she's supposed to be an actually extremely important historic figure, so basically everyone in the world knows about her. Also she has a personal skill that boosts her stats even further. And, actually ++ means triple stats, not quadruple only her NP (originally A+) is quadrupled because of the bonus.

Mmmm, your acting as if tripled stats isn't extremely powerful to the point of it being ludicrous here, no offense.

Let's take a look at Vlad III here when he was summoned in Romania, the literal place he lived in and defended in his life. He gains the maximum amount of fame possible for a heroic spirit turned servant as explicitly stated by Apocrypha. Here are his stats, mind you, which are also likely buffed by Demonic Defender of the State.

Strength: B
Endurance: B
Agility: A
Magic: A
Luck: D
Noble Phantasm: A

Here are his stats when he is forced out of homeland advantage.
STR: C
CON: C
AGI: B
MGI: A
LCK: D
Noble Phantasm: B

As you can see, his stats do not triple or anything. They just rank up.

There's not a single place that says that you have to have dragon blood to have A-rank magic resistance. Arthuria's just like that because it really can't go into EX, since only the Ruler class is outright immune to the Five Magics, see Joan of Arc's stats for an example. In fact, the base container of the Saber class has B-rank Magic Resistance, so a Saber can go bellow it unless she is under some curse, meaning that Sabers can either or A rank.

A rank magic resistance is exceptionally rare for a reason. Not everyone has the luxury of no selling Casters from the Age of Gods without a second thought. Dragon's Blood/Phantasmal Pedigree is a way of attaining this. The more common way of getting this is by having strong Faith, like Joan of Arc, Saint George, etc. Christian protections, particularly those regarding saints, grant A rank MR. However without extenuating circumstances, A rank MR should not be possible, and I have no idea where the "cannot go below class specifications" thing comes from when it doesn't apply to parameters and other classes' skills either.

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Those are some big stats, and if what Sublimation says is true, Saber might need a debuff.

You know that one of the +s can be dropped and only activate under special conditions. The other one is more or less permanent since it's a bonus from her summoning.

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If the + signs activate under special conditions(rare special conditions at that), then that's fine. A temporary quadrupling in strength to overpower a sword lock or something is reasonable. I'm just saying that every stat being better than Heracles's under mad enhancement by a value of one hundred is really odd if its something that's permanently there.

Like I said above, but I can't reveal more before uncovering Saber's identity. Also, even if her stats are nominally big, their base is still low, so for example, if someone has a shield that prevents damage from attacks bellow B-rank, Saber would still be unable to harm them without her NP because her base is a crappy C.

Anyway, I want to say that Saber is a high king among the Heroic Spirits, meaning that just like the rest of them, Arthuria and her Avalon, Iskandar and the Ionian Hetaroi and Gil and the Gate of Babilon, Saber has a EX-rank NP. When she activates her sword Caster will probably squee like a fangirl. Good think that I plan to talk with Slam and Wong about having Saber's and Caster's masters form an alliance. Darryl is the master that Saber would trust more after her own, given his tendencies.

Anyway, I want to say that Saber is a high king among the Heroic Spirits, meaning that just like the rest of them, Arthuria and her Avalon, Iskandar and the Ionian Hetaroi and Gil and the Gate of Babilon, Saber has a EX-rank NP. When she activates her sword Caster will probably squee like a fangirl. Good think that I plan to talk with Slam and Wong about having Saber's and Caster's masters form an alliance. Darryl is the master that Saber would trust more after her own, given his tendencies.

That doesn't necessarily mean they have an EX rank NP, dude. I mean, Medea has an EX rank NP too, she just can't use it. And the Gate of Babylon is technically ranked E ~ A++. EX only applies to Ea.

And C is average for a Servant, not crappy. It's the middle of the road.

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Mmmm, your acting as if tripled stats isn't extremely powerful to the point of it being ludicrous here, no offense.

Let's take a look at Vlad III here when he was summoned in Romania, the literal place he lived in and defended in his life. He gains the maximum amount of fame possible for a heroic spirit turned servant as explicitly stated by Apocrypha. Here are his stats, mind you, which are also likely buffed by Demonic Defender of the State.

Strength: B
Endurance: B
Agility: A
Magic: A
Luck: D
Noble Phantasm: A

Here are his stats when he is forced out of homeland advantage.
STR: C
CON: C
AGI: B
MGI: A
LCK: D
Noble Phantasm: B

As you can see, his stats do not triple or anything. They just rank up.

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A rank magic resistance is exceptionally rare for a reason. Not everyone has the luxury of no selling Casters from the Age of Gods without a second thought. Dragon's Blood/Phantasmal Pedigree is a way of attaining this. The more common way of getting this is by having strong Faith, like Joan of Arc, Saint George, etc. Christian protections, particularly those regarding saints, grant A rank MR. However without extenuating circumstances, A rank MR should not be possible, and I have no idea where the "cannot go below class specifications" thing comes from when it doesn't apply to parameters and other classes' skills either.

I'll agree with you on the stats, then. I forgot about how Vlad works. I'll shift Saber's numbers right away and drop the + signs that are in surplus. Thought the magic resistance has explanation, so it'll stick the way it's, since Saber's a saint of sorts and had received more than her fair share of blessings when she was alive. If it really bothers that much, I can drop it to B+, though. It seems that I'll have to rework some of her numbers a little. I really didn't guessed that she would be so exaggerated like that, since that CS is just the same rough draft that I sent to @poog the pig and got approved.

The only thing that I'll not compromise with is the NP, because my Saber can't lose to the other Kings when it comes to that without a really good for why someone who's historically put on the same league as Arthur and Alexander the Great would not have a EX rank NP like they all have.

Ok, ok. To avoid further problems, I'll rework Saber a lot. I had poog's approval for that draft, if he said that Saber was so above everyone I would have changed her before beginning the RP. I don't want to ruin everyone's time just because no one told me that I have gone a little too far.

I'll redo her now to say the truth, so please wait a moment.

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I'll agree with you on the stats, then. I forgot about how Vlad works. I'll shift Saber's numbers right away and drop the + signs that are in surplus. Thought the magic resistance has explanation, so it'll stick the way it's, since Saber's a saint of sorts and had received more than her fair share of blessings when she was alive. If it really bothers that much, I can drop it to B+, though. It seems that I'll have to rework some of her numbers a little. I really didn't guessed that she would be so exaggerated like that, since that CS is just the same rough draft that I sent to @poog the pig and got approved.

The only thing that I'll not compromise with is the NP, because my Saber can't lose to the other Kings when it comes to that without a really good for why someone who's historically put on the same league as Arthur and Alexander the Great would not have a EX rank NP like they all have.

I'm not very well versed in fate tbh, and I'm sorry if I make a few mistakes, I've actually started on a type moon wikia binge, so I'm hoping I'll be able to catch issues like this in the future.

Historically important figure whose empire Germany was a part of... So, Charlemagne or Otto? Probably Charlemagne, Otto isn't really famous.

TBH, if it's really Charlemagne, I'd say Arthur even as he is in myths doesn't compare to him in historical relevancy.

Ok, ok. To avoid further problems, I'll rework Saber a lot. I had poog's approval for that draft, if he said that Saber was so above everyone I would have changed her before beginning the RP. I don't want to ruin everyone's time just because no one told me that I have gone a little too far.

I'll redo her now to say the truth, so please wait a moment.

I mean I don't mind anything on that sheet all that much aside from the stats. A rank MR is fine by me. I'm the only one that's affected by that anyway. It wasn't so much the stats were OP as that they made no sense in canon.

Historically important figure whose empire Germany was a part of... So, Charlemagne or Otto? Probably Charlemagne, Otto isn't really famous.

TBH, if it's really Charlemagne, I'd say Arthur even as he is in myths doesn't compare to him in historical relevancy.

Bingo, sir/ma'am! She's Charlemagne, but with a catch. She's actually a twin sister that took over her brother's place when he died of a disease while the two were still young. And yes, even bloody Arthur can't compare with someone that has been dubbed the Father of Europe among a million other things and had even his own Knights, the Paladins (who are all strong HSs, BTW). I'll base her of Astolfo like I should have from the very beginning and just crank her up a bit.

Probably I should have just copied my trap goddess from the get-go, really.

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Bingo, sir/ma'am! She's Charlemagne, but with a catch. She's actually a twin sister that took over her brother's place when he died of a disease while the two were still young. And yes, even bloody Arthur can't compare with someone that has been dubbed the Father of Europe among a million other things and had even his own Knights, the Paladins (who are all strong HSs, BTW). I'll base her of Astolfo like I should have from the very beginning and just crank her up a bit.

Probably I should have just copied my trap goddess from the get-go, really.

GODDAMMIT. STUPID SEXY ASTOLFO.

But now that I'm doing it, I remembered that Saber shouldn't be weaker than Arthuria in her full power because she's about 200 years older, thus more powerful by Nasu's standard of older = better. You know, I'll redo my research on her to see if I'm still missing anything.

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Bingo, sir/ma'am! She's Charlemagne, but with a catch. She's actually a twin sister that took over her brother's place when he died of a disease while the two were still young. And yes, even bloody Arthur can't compare with someone that has been dubbed the Father of Europe among a million other things and had even his own Knights, the Paladins (who are all strong HSs, BTW). I'll base her of Astolfo like I should have from the very beginning and just crank her up a bit.

Probably I should have just copied my trap goddess from the get-go, really.

WHY IS HE WEARING STOCKINGS TO THE POOL?