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@Boomrocker: I'm not trying to go after you for anything. I just think that two paladins is a bit weird given that they're the same kind of character... and from the same religion for that matter. Reon worship and Mayon worship are both the same dualistic religion.


I understand. I considered the idea worth merit as the two sects are very different, one aggressor and one peacekeeper, and should make for interesting inter-service rivalry. To me, it is similar to the contrast between Catholic and Orthodox Christianity which in itself is a fascinating topic and one which merits exploration.

However, keeping the paladin similarity in mind, I made sure to make the characters fundamentally different in terms of fighting style and personality. Speedster versus stone wall, snarky versus upstanding, and so forth.
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I understand. I considered the idea worth merit as the two sects are very different, one aggressor and one peacekeeper, and should make for interesting inter-service rivalry. To me, it is similar to the contrast between Catholic and Orthodox Christianity which in itself is a fascinating topic and one which merits exploration.

However, keeping the paladin similarity in mind, I made sure to make the characters fundamentally different in terms of fighting style and personality. Speedster versus stone wall, snarky versus upstanding, and so forth.


It's more the difference between the Knights Hospitaller and Knights Templar. The churches don't actually have any theological disagreements.
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It's more the difference between the Knights Hospitaller and Knights Templar. The churches don't actually have any theological disagreements.


Then it is merely good-natured banter, which is an enjoyable pastime and still worth exploration.
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So when's the game gonna start?
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@Boomrocker: I still have some concerns about class overlap, but... I'll think about it and get back to you tomorrow, most likely.

@IncredibleBee: Tomorrow or the weekend.
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How much does Repharion weigh?
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How much does Repharion weigh?


Enough.
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I hadn't really considered an exact weight. It's a sizeable bastard sword so without enchantments it's probably fairly weighty. For Tanya it's light enough to wield effectively even though she's not very strong.
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I hadn't really considered an exact weight. It's a sizeable bastard sword so without enchantments it's probably fairly weighty. For Tanya it's light enough to wield effectively even though she's not very strong.


Yeah, but can I get some exact measurements, with and without enchantments? It's been bugging me for a while.
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Yeah, but can I get some exact measurements, with and without enchantments? It's been bugging me for a while.


No, no, you can't. It doesn't matter, and it's unnecessarily pedantic, requiring random knowledge in several unrelated fields to give an appropriate answer to.
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No, no, you can't. It doesn't matter, and it's unnecessarily pedantic, requiring random knowledge in several unrelated fields to give an appropriate answer to.


It matters to me; I've something of a fetish for medieval weaponry. And it only requires some basic knowledge in swords to answer this particular question. Since Vita's playing a swordsman, it's reasonable to assume she's researched at least a little bit about the field, so I don't think it's an unreasonable question to ask.
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I wouldn't say that as harshly as Rain is, but I'm honestly not finding good information to make an accurate length and weight in reference to Tanya's strength. The blade is long and heavy and sharp, enough to make Tanya have difficulties wielding it properly without the enchantments. I'll confess the picture isn't accurate to its length because I botched my attempt at foreshortening, it's almost as long as Tanya is tall.

I feel like anything I try and guess at would probably not be very logical in respect to Tanya's physical strength and the blade's size itself, mostly because I'm really not that knowledgeable about medieval weapons. I mean, my best knowledge comes from occasionally seeing them in a museum and Dark Souls, which isn't exactly in-depth.
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It matters to me; I've something of a fetish for medieval weaponry. And it only requires some basic knowledge in swords to answer this particular question. Since Vita's playing a swordsman, it's reasonable to assume she's researched at least a little bit about the field, so I don't think it's an unreasonable question to ask.


It is inherently unreasonable to ask someone to have researched the weight of a class of sword that never historically existed, then have combined that range with information on the weight and balance for various styles of historical weapon, furthermore having combined it with typical strength, to have adjusted it for what a short woman would be expected to wield, and then worked out the weight for the resulting weapon with and without magic.

It's an extraneous detail that has no bearing on anything at all, and is completely without merit in calculating. The whole equation is without any actual constants. This is before the problem with the difference in weight between parade weapons and actual implements intrudes and makes everything even worse off.
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Let's not get so vitriolic about it.

I just don't think I know enough to give anything that would actually make sense for length, weight, and weight with enchantments.
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I wouldn't say that as harshly as Rain is, but I'm honestly not finding good information to make an accurate length and weight in reference to Tanya's strength. The blade is long and heavy and sharp, enough to make Tanya have difficulties wielding it properly without the enchantments. I'll confess the picture isn't accurate to its length because I botched my attempt at foreshortening, it's almost as long as Tanya is tall.

I feel like anything I try and guess at would probably not be very logical in respect to Tanya's physical strength and the blade's size itself, mostly because I'm really not that knowledgeable about medieval weapons. I mean, my best knowledge comes from occasionally seeing them in a museum and Dark Souls, which isn't exactly in-depth.


Most swords of Repharion's approximate length rarely exceeded three and a half to four pounds, and that's on the larger side. It's harder to guess without knowing an exact blade shape. Most swords aren't as heavy as you'd expect.

The real problem comes from the enchantment to make it more lightweight; "most of its weight being negated" implies it weighs as much as a switch. The lighter a blade is, the less impact it carries when it strikes, meaning that Repharion wouldn't be able to batter armored enemies- a vital tactic in armored combat. Without weight, it's also impossible to knock a blade aside or parry, meaning your defense is diminished greatly.
Slicing would also be a trickier matter without some weight to the swing. A Japanese sword, for example, is designed to be great for slicing, but they're actually thicker and therefore heavier than a European sword of the same length.

Moreover, a nearly weightless sword has no sort of feedback, which means you risk overextending and hurting yourself when you swing it. Jedi also have weightless swords, but this problem is countered by them being psychic.
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Most swords of Repharion's approximate length rarely exceeded three and a half to four pounds, and that's on the larger side. It's harder to guess without knowing an exact blade shape. Most swords aren't as heavy as you'd expect.

The real problem comes from the enchantment to make it more lightweight; "most of its weight being negated" implies it weighs as much as a switch. The lighter a blade is, the less impact it carries when it strikes, meaning that Repharion wouldn't be able to batter armored enemies- a vital tactic in armored combat. Without weight, it's also impossible to knock a blade aside or parry, meaning your defense is diminished greatly.
Slicing would also be a trickier matter without some weight to the swing. A Japanese sword, for example, is designed to be great for slicing, but they're actually thicker and therefore heavier than a European sword of the same length.

Moreover, a nearly weightless sword has no sort of feedback, which means you risk overextending and hurting yourself when you swing it. Jedi also have weightless swords, but this problem is countered by them being psychic.


A wizard did it. Literally. Problem solved, let's carry on with having the STR 10 character having a +5 blade if you want a D&D reference. The mechanics are not important. >.>
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Since it's magic, the weight is only in reference to Tanya's wielding of it. To her, it feels much lighter. It still hits with a lot of force, though, possibly more because she can swing it harder. It's also not weightless, just lighter to make wielding easier for her as she's kind of tiny and not that strong. I'm also aware that swords are lighter then you'd expect, but I didn't feel like using a full-weight sword of that size for someone like Tanya was entirely appropriate given her size.

Basically, it's magical and I feel like that gives similar benefits to not needing a realistic explanation of it as it does for jedi being psychic. It works by using magic to make wielding easier for the user while still being a nasty thing to get hit by.
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Since it's magic, the weight is only in reference to Tanya's wielding of it. To her, it feels much lighter. It still hits with a lot of force, though, possibly more because she can swing it harder. It's also not weightless, just lighter to make wielding easier for her as she's kind of tiny and not that strong. I'm also aware that swords are lighter then you'd expect, but I didn't feel like using a full-weight sword of that size for someone like Tanya was entirely appropriate given her size.

Basically, it's magical and I feel like that gives similar benefits to not needing a realistic explanation of it as it does for jedi being psychic. It works by using magic to make wielding easier for the user while still being a nasty thing to get hit by.


It doesn't get much lighter than three pounds. But what does the spell do specifically? The lighter you make the sword, the more we run into the problems I listed earlier. And you can't negate weight but still keep impact.

At this rate, it feels like it would be easier to find a weapon that lends itself to fighters with little muscle.
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It doesn't get much lighter than three pounds. But what does the spell do specifically? The lighter you make the sword, the more we run into the problems I listed earlier. And you can't negate weight but still keep impact.

At this rate, it feels like it would be easier to find a weapon that lends itself to fighters with little muscle.


A wizard did it.
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Working a little more on the mechanics of the enchantment, it works by making Tanya strong enough to wield it as long as she is holding the hilt in her hands. Otherwise it has no effect, but the wielder is always strong enough to wield it effectively as long as they are... well, actually wielding it.
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