Seriously we better get this sorted as it would appear we have two wars pending. How the heck are we going to decide how war is done.

Omega said
i hate dice rolls, i prefer logic. Also Dutch you did not answer my question or give me anything to respond to in the IC. I would like it if you had some sort of action i could respond to as well as tell me if you do NRPs to win.Also, how is it that it took 7 hours from the time the NKVD were woken up for Stalin to make and send out a response. Given this was a surprise action and you have posted nothing IC to indicate you had a reason to know it beforehand you would have barely even heard about it by this point.

If you or anybody else is willing to help then we can get into more complicated stats to determine battle outcomes. I would prefer to use more than just dice rolls, but I just simply don't have the capability. You're talking to somebody who can hardly even do basic addition.

I could help if you like.

flylittlecat said
Seriously we better get this sorted as it would appear we have two wars pending. How the heck are we going to decide how war is done.

Is the Chinese civil war one of the two you had in mind? If not, we have three wars pending.

Dutchbag said
I could help if you like.

Okay, awesome. It would certainly help the RP.

Gonna send a PM out.

Your men are actually not vastly superior. Our soldiers are comparable with about 2/3 of my army rated as hardened by the Soviets though quality rapidly decreased over the next 3 years. Though you did just strand aabout 50,000 hardened Soviet troops, mostly armored or motorized by reacting negativly so fast. That is due to the Soviet defense plan had groups staggered back from Germany and it takes more than 5 hours to mohilize so many men.

I have no problem telling you my plans snd will make a map after work today because meta gaming is easy to.detect and if you meta game and the GM lets it.slide I will.leave in a heart beat. I do not RP to win. I RP to have fun and make a good story. For reference in your posts my military was mobilized the night thisbegam so is still not fully mobilized for.offensive operations for like 3-5 days though my nexr post will.detail beginning operations for a defense in depth to.counter the traditional Soviet armored thrust and make a wide front push suffer high losses. A solid if unimaginitive defense agaknst Soviet doctrine of the era.

Omega said
Your men are actually not vastly superior. Our soldiers are comparable with about 2/3 of my army rated as hardened by the Soviets though quality rapidly decreased over the next 3 years. Though you did just strand aabout 50,000 hardened Soviet troops, mostly armored or motorized by reacting negativly so fast. That is due to the Soviet defense plan had groups staggered back from Germany and it takes more than 5 hours to mohilize so many men.I have no problem telling you my plans snd will make a map after work today because meta gaming is easy to.detect and if you meta game and the GM lets it.slide I will.leave in a heart beat. I do not RP to win. I RP to have fun and make a good story. For reference in your posts my military was mobilized the night thisbegam so is still not fully mobilized for.offensive operations for like 3-5 days though my nexr post will.detail beginning operations for a defense in depth to.counter the traditional Soviet armored thrust and make a wide front push suffer high losses. A solid if unimaginitive defense agaknst Soviet doctrine of the era.

IS-3s and a proper air force don't lie. And a quick response frees them up rather than bogs them down. Really. And I welcome maps.

I would have expected this kind of bickering between NATO and Warsaw Pact, not two Warsaw Pact countries. Geez.

I think that I am being very reasonable in a roleplaying sense since he just willy-nilly threw the NKVD out.

Dutchbag said
I think that I am being very reasonable in a roleplaying sense since he just willy-nilly threw the NKVD out.

I don't think that would be very realistic, given the time period. Moscow would have responded to that. Like look at Hungary. When they tried to go against Moscow tanks were sent in.

Willy nilly? They killed thousands of people over the last few years. A fast response does not free them either the armored brigades were stationed on the other side of Warsaw as a way to counter a NATO thrust which would them to motivate the exile poles.

I can understand that Poland wants the NKVD out but I can also understand why Stalin would be angry. Poland just kicked the NKVD out with no warning like old trash. At least send a letter to explain why and try to do it with peace and care to protect relations.

Soviet Russia is not a country to piss off. Both in Reality and the IC.

I am more than willing to give everyone a rather long leash after Stalin is dead, but for now you better fall in line as I tell you to.

Mr_Wiki_96 said
I can understand that Poland wants the NKVD out but I can also understand why Stalin would be angry. Poland just kicked the NKVD out with no warning like old trash. At least send a letter to explain why and try to do it with peace and care to protect relations.Soviet Russia is not a country to piss off. Both in Reality and the IC.

I told him why and said I wish to stay a Soviet ally.

Dutchbag said
I am more than willing to give everyone a rather long leash after Stalin is dead, but for now you better fall in line as I tell you to.

Berling has no idea he is goinf to die and in the near future NKVD planning has looked very bad for Poland.

Omega said
I told him why and said I wish to stay a Soviet ally.

How's your economy? Could you pay him off?

Like I said, it's really not a good idea to piss off Moscow. Same with America. During the Cold War you were pretty much expected to comply to either of their orders, depending on which side you were on.

"Hey Stalin! I'm going to dump all Soviet technicians, officers, and all NKVD staff in Poland like old trash since they've been doing the things you wanted but I really don't like. Can we still be friends?"

Omega said
Your men are actually not vastly superior. Our soldiers are comparable with about 2/3 of my army rated as hardened by the Soviets though quality rapidly decreased over the next 3 years. Though you did just strand aabout 50,000 hardened Soviet troops, mostly armored or motorized by reacting negativly so fast. That is due to the Soviet defense plan had groups staggered back from Germany and it takes more than 5 hours to mohilize so many men.I have no problem telling you my plans snd will make a map after work today because meta gaming is easy to.detect and if you meta game and the GM lets it.slide I will.leave in a heart beat. I do not RP to win. I RP to have fun and make a good story. For reference in your posts my military was mobilized the night thisbegam so is still not fully mobilized for.offensive operations for like 3-5 days though my nexr post will.detail beginning operations for a defense in depth to.counter the traditional Soviet armored thrust and make a wide front push suffer high losses. A solid if unimaginitive defense agaknst Soviet doctrine of the era.

Raaaandomly airdropping in. I am no expert in post-WW2 warfare and stuff, but I would imagine that Rosha is super both in numbers and materiel. IS-3 production was kicked into high gear post-WW2, And before we start tossing around that Poland could kick the IS-3's ass: no, it could not. The IS-3 made the UK, France and the USA shit their pants and tremble in fear, to the point where THREE heavy tank projects were pulled out of the ground designed specifically to counter the IS-3. The Conqueror, AMX 50 project and the M103. In cities, this may get difficult, but they'll still wreck everything. Not to mention that Russia has THOUSANDS of T-34s of various variants knocking about.

Air force-wise, Russia has MiG-15s, IL-10s, and some IL-28s, too. Trying to gain air superiority is a case of instant ''gg you can go home now''.

Not to mention the fact that the Russian army is basically friggin huge.

tl;dr you can kick the NKVD out, you can resist, but eventually Russia is going to roflstomp you anyway, especially so soon after WW2. Realistically speaking, Russia would NEVER let one of their states go, to the point where they're liable to start bombing cities if Poland keeps resisting.

Vaexa out.