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Bad time to mention I was working on a Damian Wayne sheet then.

I'm getting annoyed at the Damian hate

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Hey, by the way. How exactly do drones attack? Do they just swing at you with their arms? Do they bite?

Think like zombies. They claw, bite, etc. Their teeth look like the ends of phone chargers and can inject the techno virus into your blood stream. Soon I'll upgrade them with an energy attack that shoots from their mouths.

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Bad time to mention I was working on a Damian Wayne sheet then.

If anybody could make me like Damian Wayne it'd be you. He'd have to be less of a Robin though and more the grandson of Al Ghul. PM me sometime today and I'll let you in on where the story will go with Batman, Nightwing, and Gotham by the end of the first arc.

~KL~

@Weird Tales There's good reason to why a lot of people dislike Damian. Good reasons, but there are also good reasons to like him. Honestly, I just prefer the other three Dick, Tim, and Jason, and as for Damian...meh, I hate him sometimes, like him other times.

I hate the way he took out Nightwing in the Injustice series.

~KL~

@Weird Tales There's good reason to why a lot of people dislike Damian. Good reasons, but there are also good reasons to like him. Honestly, I just prefer the other three Dick, Tim, and Jason, and as for Damian...meh, I hate him sometimes, like him other times.

He's the only one worthy to be Batman in my eyes. None of the other three can which is why they adopted new hero identities.

I like all of the robins, but Damian is my favorite. I love the strained father and son relationship that him and Bruce hhave. Also every character has had bad stories. Batman, superman and wonder woman all have had them, it's the writer's job to do them right.

Also grant Morrison did an excellent Batman series featuring Damian and Batman vs robin was amazing in my opinion.

Dick and Jason were my least favorite robins, they're better when they're their own heroes

@The Kid Lantern IKR!

That pissed me off so bad...

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He's the only one worthy to be Batman in my eyes. None of the other three can which is why they adopted new hero identities.

I like all of the robins, but Damian is my favorite. I love the strained father and son relationship that him and Bruce hhave. Also every character has had bad stories. Batman, superman and wonder woman all have had them, it's the writer's job to do them right.

Also grant Morrison did an excellent Batman series featuring Damian and Batman vs robin was amazing in my opinion.

Dick and Jason were my least favorite robins, they're better when they're their own heroes

The one reason I even own comics with Damian in them... is because Grayson was Batman. Grayson's acrobatics surpassed even Batman's with his upbringing, and it was cannon for years he was the 2nd greatest detective in the DCU before the New52 reboot. He was the leader of a contingency Justice League and a founder of the Teen Titans. All of that to me would look a lot better on a resume than 'trained by assassins.' I prefer Grayson as Nightwing, don't much care for the 'Agent 37 of Spyral' stuff going on now. Damian has Bruce's DNA, but Grayson will always be more of a son and successor. Historically speaking, Robin/Grayson is one of the most important characters in comics. When I think of Damian as Batman I think of the Batman #666 issue. That's not what Batman should be IMHO, didn't care for that take at all. The only time I've enjoyed a more hardcore Batman was when Tim Drake was still just Robin, when it showed the 'Titans of Tomorrow' and in the twisted future he was a more brutal adult Batman who used the same gun that killed Bruce's parents to execute criminals. I remember reading that and thinking 'holy shit, THAT'S an interesting twist.'

Also, because Damian THINKS he deserves it just because he's got Bruce Wayne's DNA is probably what pisses me off the most about him. Like that kid who became king in Game of Thrones. Grayson was Robin shortly after Bruce became Batman, and even when he left out on his own he still stayed in the superheroics. If Batman got in costume and started operating before Superman, that makes Grayson more experienced than a good portion of the DCU. What's Damian's actual hero career amount to, a year or two?

I also kinda thought it was a bad move after Batman's had three adopted sons to give him a biological heir. It defeats the purpose of the others not being blood related.

Okay, rant over. LOL. Sorry, but I find very few instances to show my nerd side. I'll leave the subject with this: I LOVE the We Are Robin series. And I'm trade waiting the Robin War story.

~KL~

I personally kinda like Damien, then again I've never read any comics with him in it. I gotta agree that his whole attitude towards being the obvious successor to the batman name is really irritating and defiantly makes up 85% of what I don't like about him but I think he's kinda cool since he has the batman blood in him and he's all high and mighty which makes him losing fights all the better since it has more of an impact on him (probably, again my Damien Wayne knowledge is limited to the Son of Batman and some videos I've watched.) and makes his redemption all the sweeter. I don't really like him as a Robin but maybe as his own standalone hero or even maybe a Talon or new Azreal would be cool.

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The one reason I even own comics with Damian in them... is because Grayson was Batman. Grayson's acrobatics surpassed even Batman's with his upbringing, and it was cannon for years he was the 2nd greatest detective in the DCU before the New52 reboot. He was the leader of a contingency Justice League and a founder of the Teen Titans. All of that to me would look a lot better on a resume than 'trained by assassins.' I prefer Grayson as Nightwing, don't much care for the 'Agent 37 of Spyral' stuff going on now. Damian has Bruce's DNA, but Grayson will always be more of a son and successor. Historically speaking, Robin/Grayson is one of the most important characters in comics. When I think of Damian as Batman I think of the Batman #666 issue. That's not what Batman should be IMHO, didn't care for that take at all. The only time I've enjoyed a more hardcore Batman was when Tim Drake was still just Robin, when it showed the 'Titans of Tomorrow' and in the twisted future he was a more brutal adult Batman who used the same gun that killed Bruce's parents to execute criminals. I remember reading that and thinking 'holy shit, THAT'S an interesting twist.'

Also, because Damian THINKS he deserves it just because he's got Bruce Wayne's DNA is probably what pisses me off the most about him. Like that kid who became king in Game of Thrones. Grayson was Robin shortly after Bruce became Batman, and even when he left out on his own he still stayed in the superheroics. If Batman got in costume and started operating before Superman, that makes Grayson more experienced than a good portion of the DCU. What's Damian's actual hero career amount to, a year or two?

I also kinda thought it was a bad move after Batman's had three adopted sons to give him a biological heir. It defeats the purpose of the others not being blood related.

Okay, rant over. LOL. Sorry, but I find very few instances to show my nerd side. I'll leave the subject with this: I LOVE the We Are Robin series. And I'm trade waiting the Robin War story.

~KL~

What about Terry McGinis? He was also Batman.

I personally kinda like Damien, then again I've never read any comics with him in it. I gotta agree that his whole attitude towards being the obvious successor to the batman name is really irritating and defiantly makes up 85% of what I don't like about him but I think he's kinda cool since he has the batman blood in him and he's all high and mighty which makes him losing fights all the better since it has more of an impact on him (probably, again my Damien Wayne knowledge is limited to the Son of Batman and some videos I've watched.) and makes his redemption all the sweeter. I don't really like him as a Robin but maybe as his own standalone hero or even maybe a Talon or new Azreal would be cool.

Damien kind of reminds me of Vegeta from DBZ.

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What about Terry McGinis? He was also Batman.

LOVE Batman Beyond, and the JLU Beyond as well. Don't care for the whole Tim Drake 5 years from now going into the future after Terry dies in that present to become Batman Beyond in a Terminator style future where machines had taken over. Then again... that's kinda what we're doing here and the original basis for Futures End. Only instead of it being Brother Eye, its Brainiac. And Batman Beyond isn't here to help us.

~KL~

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The one reason I even own comics with Damian in them... is because Grayson was Batman. Grayson's acrobatics surpassed even Batman's with his upbringing, and it was cannon for years he was the 2nd greatest detective in the DCU before the New52 reboot. He was the leader of a contingency Justice League and a founder of the Teen Titans. All of that to me would look a lot better on a resume than 'trained by assassins.' I prefer Grayson as Nightwing, don't much care for the 'Agent 37 of Spyral' stuff going on now. Damian has Bruce's DNA, but Grayson will always be more of a son and successor. Historically speaking, Robin/Grayson is one of the most important characters in comics. When I think of Damian as Batman I think of the Batman #666 issue. That's not what Batman should be IMHO, didn't care for that take at all. The only time I've enjoyed a more hardcore Batman was when Tim Drake was still just Robin, when it showed the 'Titans of Tomorrow' and in the twisted future he was a more brutal adult Batman who used the same gun that killed Bruce's parents to execute criminals. I remember reading that and thinking 'holy shit, THAT'S an interesting twist.'

Also, because Damian THINKS he deserves it just because he's got Bruce Wayne's DNA is probably what pisses me off the most about him. Like that kid who became king in Game of Thrones. Grayson was Robin shortly after Bruce became Batman, and even when he left out on his own he still stayed in the superheroics. If Batman got in costume and started operating before Superman, that makes Grayson more experienced than a good portion of the DCU. What's Damian's actual hero career amount to, a year or two?

I also kinda thought it was a bad move after Batman's had three adopted sons to give him a biological heir. It defeats the purpose of the others not being blood related.

Okay, rant over. LOL. Sorry, but I find very few instances to show my nerd side. I'll leave the subject with this: I LOVE the We Are Robin series. And I'm trade waiting the Robin War story.

~KL~

My problem with Dick is that he lacks character flaws and like Damian said in Batman vs robin he was the perfect robin.

Adopted sons just aren't as interesting as having a real son for Batman in my opinion and it's quite clear that Damian is still growing and maturing. Seriously why does every young hero have to be nice?

None of the robins have as good of an origin as Damian, the son of Batman and grandson to Ra's al ghul, that's badass.

Most Damian haters are just butthurt because Dick is never going to be Batman and Tim's been sidelined.

Again blood ties change my view of him and when he's done right Damian is the best. Dick is like the guy who has the excellent resume and the most history, but that doesn't make him better.

quick question, if Light shot Raven with a low-power laser, would the pain wake her up? I figure with her being a being of darkness it would hurt more than normal.

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My problem with Dick is that he lacks character flaws and like Damian said in Batman vs robin he was the perfect robin.

Adopted sons just aren't as interesting as having a real son for Batman in my opinion and it's quite clear that Damian is still growing and maturing. Seriously why does every young hero have to be nice?

None of the robins have as good of an origin as Damian, the son of Batman and grandson to Ra's al ghul, that's badass.

Most Damian haters are just butthurt because Dick is never going to be Batman and Tim's been sidelined.

Again blood ties change my view of him and when he's done right Damian is the best. Dick is like the guy who has the excellent resume and the most history, but that doesn't make him better.

Grayson's messed up plenty of times, one that comes to mind in the pre New52 universe was when he killed the Joker. It happened about halfway into his series before Jason Todd was reborn or anything crazy was happening. He also went deep undercover as Renegade and worked with Deathstroke and others as a legit criminal/fist for hire. He was the perfect Robin because he was the original Robin. Grayson wrote the book on being a teen hero and a teen sidekick. That's like saying you don't like Bruce as Batman because he's the perfect Batman. Nobody's butthurt, Grayson has already been Batman for extended periods twice, with one of them being considered cannon in the New52. Tim's still around, he's just a horrible 90's throwback of a character now as Red Robin in Teen Titans. And the new Batman Beyond.

What's your take on Batman #666 where Damian was an older Batman? And the idea he was actually the 'Bruce' who trained Batman Beyond under false pretenses?

~KL~

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Grayson's messed up plenty of times, one that comes to mind in the pre New52 universe was when he killed the Joker. It happened about halfway into his series before Jason Todd was reborn or anything crazy was happening. He also went deep undercover as Renegade and worked with Deathstroke and others as a legit criminal/fist for hire. He was the perfect Robin because he was the original Robin. Grayson wrote the book on being a teen hero and a teen sidekick. That's like saying you don't like Bruce as Batman because he's the perfect Batman. Nobody's butthurt, Grayson has already been Batman for extended periods twice, with one of them being considered cannon in the New52. Tim's still around, he's just a horrible 90's throwback of a character now as Red Robin in Teen Titans. And the new Batman Beyond.

What's your take on Batman #666 where Damian was an older Batman? And the idea he was actually the 'Bruce' who trained Batman Beyond under false pretenses?

~KL~

That's the thing, I was referring to Dick not having many personality flaws. Again Damian is a child whose been turned into a deadly assassin since he could walk by his grandfather. It's totally illogical for Damian not to have personality issues. Dick doesn't seem to have these personality flaws. Also I find this panel of him taking over the Titans hilarious.
lol!

Damian is just awesome to me and the best. Also I haven't read Batman 666 so I can't place a judgement on that.

^^^ Much to his disappointment, he didn't become the leader and Tim came back to lead them as Red Robin before the series was cancelled within a few months, I think by issue #100 or so right around the time of the New52 reboot. The only Titan who didn't completely write him off was Ravager and even still she didn't see him as being a leader. The banter between Bat-Grayson and Damian was the only reason I ever bothered with a comic he was in, and the two together were an enjoyable read. Beyond that, I just don't care for him. I don't think Damian has the presence to ever be his own character, he'll only ever be the Son of Batman. I was happy for his fans when he finally got his own solo series, and I liked the idea of bringing Nobody back into it... but then they gave Nobody a daughter who's still hanging out with Damian and it just felt too forced. We JUST found out Ducard had this son... Nobody... now we find out this guy ALSO has a daughter who's been trained at birth to be a more brutal vigilante.

You're forgetting Grayson was also the original hothead Robin and the only one to actually storm out of the Bat-Cave when Bruce refused to see him as an equal and not a sidekick. As Robin he was also responsible for a lot of early teen hero deaths and collateral damage earlier in the team's history and it weighed on him for awhile before he and Wally West both quit the team. He was still in Batman's shadow, but as Robin he couldn't be his own man. Hence becoming Nightwing shortly after.

~KL~

LOL I think we're still good. Titans lost steam and recruiting for that's not drawing much attention, but it's still alive.

~KL~

quick question, if Light shot Raven with a low-power laser, would the pain wake her up? I figure with her being a being of darkness it would hurt more than normal.

I think it'd be reasonable, and most likely work.

~KL~

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What about Terry McGinis? He was also Batman.

TERRY LOVE!!! Batman Beyond is just...epic. Return of the Joker. When you think he couldn't be any more sick and twisted? He pulls a stunt like that? HA.