Andre only knows how the situation is played based on what he knows he has seen before. He has a hated for synchrons, and pendulum monsters because because he knows they're a real pain to displace. If he was put up against a wall against say Jurracs his response would be to turtle until he got his queens in the grave or his Emperor out. His natural response to all situations is to destroy indiscriminately. He doesn't have knowledge on all archetypes if you gave him a toon deck he'd probably lose his natural response being 'I really need to rely on this spell card?'. Also he doesn't even know how to properly pendulum summon if given let's say a Dinomist deck he'd probably get wrecked because well he doesn't know how scales work. All he knows is that those two big scale things bring out monsters and it's best if he could get rid of them as soon as possible. If that fails to too stall/Ram them with his guys until he can.

If you want Andre and Ben too stop being pessimistic know it alls then I'll stop playing that part of them up. Simple enough problem solved. I'll make Ben more of that Jaden type guy who finds class boring but does well in duels while Andre drops his annoyance at learning basics and try to have him genuinely attempt to memorize everything even though he's got a lot of experience in the grand scheme of things. Andre wants to go on and become a pro or at least get him something to put on a minor league career. Ben just wants to be a teacher so he can show other kids younger than him how to enjoy the game more.

@Eklispe You out play those cards. You can't play too much with toons without toon world for example so when they get their pieces out on the board you twin twister it or castel it away. You let them bring out their big monster and then you throw a lava golemn on it or volcanic queen or a kaiju. Let a pendulum player set out all of his cards then bottomless trap hole them into the grave or use solemn strike. Use battlefader at the start of the match and then use mask change 2 to bring out Dark Law. There are ways to beat someone without just stamping them with a lead pipe. Gishki can force cards back in the deck as well by way of their rituals acting not only a beat stick but a beatstick that shuffles enemies away without needing to punch them in the face. Or somehow stalling and getting out destiny board. I don't play it against real people but I've won against AI's in tag force using it.

Anyone up for some DN? I mean I have so many decks that need testing -_- XD

@vancexentan Just scale them back. You don't have to flanderize your characters, just stop making them the living incarnation of a card library.

Like. Make them average, not good. Like the rest of us. (No, Ethel isn't card christ before you ask. She legit doesn't know how to handle a lot of stuff.)

EDIT: goin' to bed now. bai.

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Heres how one counters EVERY DECK

Amorphages (just ask Scar after I showed him how broken the archetype is if played right (if it makes the old powerhouse decks look tame AND can turn sataller into a crap deck yea its kinda broken))

now then you was saying?

Can confirm, broken as hell even after trying to come with ways to counter it.

@Scarifar

Remember Scar... :P

4 stars with over 4000 attack due to the spell and trap and field spell :P

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Heres how one counters EVERY DECK

Amorphages (just ask Scar after I showed him how broken the archetype is if played right (if it makes the old powerhouse decks look tame AND can turn sataller into a crap deck yea its kinda broken))

now then you was saying?

Yeah but if it counters every deck is it really a counter? Isn't it just, you know better? Like a does a monster with 5000 ATK counter obelisk or does it beat it?

@vancexentan
The only real things you listed was "lead sticks" and specific counter cards. :<

I concede that knowing what deck your opponent is using is of some help but eh. Each to their own.

No but when you ram a smaller monster besides obelisk and take him down with U.A Dreadnaught dunker it's just a bonus. You don't need to run them over you just need to have ways to work around your opponent.

Read: Use a beat-stick and beat whatever you can

Also Dunker can't kill obelisk :<

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Yeah but if it counters every deck is it really a counter? Isn't it just, you know better? Like a does a monster with 5000 ATK counter obelisk or does it beat it?

@vancexentan
The only real things you listed was "lead sticks" and specific counter cards. :<

I concede that knowing what deck your opponent is using is of some help but eh. Each to their own.

Tell me how you special summon oblisk if the archetype CAN NEGATE TRIBUTING, Chains in general, Monster Effects (where is your oblisk now) Spell effects Trap effects, All the monsters negate extra deck usage. The traps reduce attack and def while the spells all buff attack and defense so standard beatstick strats are out the bloody window ANd through all this The archetypes spell and traps just continously reload your pendulum zones/hand.

Its a broken archetype and needs nerfing.

-_- its not fun to fight bro. Its not fun.

You're actually proving my point. Which is fine but you're making it sound like you're not. :?

@Eklispe

Right say you where running a Archetype with specific counters. Like Idk Yosenju or Super quantum or hell even pepe.

All I have to do to counter all those archetypes/decks is pull out amorphages.

Perfect counter.

I think only a few cards can stop the deck/slow it down.

even then good luck activating them with the effect lock

So far as I can understand either you're agreeing with me. Which is fine, you're insisting this deck is OP, which I'm not arguing at all. Or you think that any card that beats another card counters it. Which is also fine, just depends on your definition of counter.

Clearly you scrubs need to get on my level if you're havin trouble with Amorphage.

They can only lock you out of three things max so you use your remaining options to compromise their field and force them to lose their scales.

Clearly you scrubs need to get on my level if you're havin trouble with Amorphage.

They can only lock you out of three things max so you use your remaining options to compromise their field and force them to lose their scales.

I'd love to see you try to stop them. It ain't easy, that's for sure.

I think it's more a case of Amorphages being unstoppable when they get going, but if they brick, they brick hard. Plus not being able to Pendulum Summon most of their monsters without outside help is a pretty nice limiting factor.

@Tojin

if you are trying to summon anything but the level 4's for tribute fodder your playing them wrong. Because the trap card and the spell... Loooove tribute fodder.

Also Destroy the scales? Lysis is a dick about that.

so basically pray they don't draw 3 or more amorphages and infection/lysis

Clearly the non believers just need to fight you already.

Maisy's life in a nutshell.
tfw you accidentally make a character that lives to be a walking shitpost.

...Or, y'know, we can get back to the decks I'm actually going to allow people to play.

EDIT: also i'll try to maybe get a post out later today if i'm not drowned in work like i was yesterday kthxbai

@Ammokkx

Heh I know, I just like the story of the Amorphages and how they tied in with the Dracoverlords and Dracoslayers