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I feel that characters always act out of character in regards to Damian, like characters that are strictly against killing don't see a problem when Damian does it because he is our special little guy. He gets to murder, and be a dick, and noone bats an eye.

When has he murdered someone? He has not in any of the movies

I just want to point out that Terry at least had legitimate reasons for why Batman never knew about him. I've yet to hear a single justification for how the World's Greatest Detective never noticed Talia being pregnant at any point, nor that her kid was his until years later. That's the sort of thing a paranoid bastard like Batman should have figured out a long time ago. Like I said, Terry at least made sense because Bruce didn't interact with Waller or Cadmus nearly as often as he did with Talia, so them managing to keep a cloning project secret from him is at least feasible. And, like Waller said, getting Bruce's DNA was frighteningly easy since he left it all over the place fighting battles as Batman.

That actually makes me theorize that Gordon does know Batman's identity and has since the beginning. I mean if Cadmus can collect Batman's DNA and identify it so easily then surely the GCPD could as well. I suspect Gordon kept the secret because all the good Batman does makes it worth breaking a rule or two to cover for him. And of course there's that Animated Series episode "Freefall" where Barbara is "killed" by Scarecrow and Gordon just instantly figures out Batman's identity? Nope, I say he knew all along but Babs dying was where he drew the line in covering it up.

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When has he murdered someone? He has not in any of the movies

I'm referring to comic Damian only, movie Damian is just a brat, and to be honest is alot better character. But his comic appearances sorta soured my whole perspective of him. He straight up cut Spook's head off without remorse, and noone was like "Hey that is sociopathic behavior, maybe he should get serious mental help!"

Damian doesn't have anger issues

Damian in the movies & Injustice game/comics mos definitely has anger issues.

There's a reason why Jason have such huge followings it is because they weren't a generic side kick.

Jason may be popular now but when he was Robin he wasn't. Which is they allowed the buyers decide if he lived or died.

When has he murdered someone? He has not in any of the movies

Injustice comic he killed Dick. According to @cunfuzzler he killed Spook, whoever that is.

I'm sure he's killed a dozen or so ninjas between here and there as well as many times as he's faced the LoA. Didn't he used to brag early on he could kill a man in X amount of seconds a handful of different ways?

I would like it better if he was a clone and not in fact Bruce's kid. I can't accept him as the world's greatest detective otherwise.

@Burning Kitty I don't think it's anger issues so much as it is pride. He usually boasts until an enemy makes him look stupid, then he gets reckless.

IF he was such a great Robin though, he would've had more than a mini series by now. Nightwing has had a series go well beyond a hundred issues, Red Hood has been good since just before the New52, and Tim carried the Robin title for well into a hundred issues as well as the Red Robin title going beyond another thirty issues before the New52. Damian has as many haters as he does fans. He's leading the Teen Titans now [with a de-aged Starfire, IDK about that...], and getting the monthly with Superman's son Jon called 'Super Sons'. On his own though I just don't think he's as good as the others have proven to be.

Grant Morrison wasn't enough to make me like Damian. I doubt any writer will. His appearances in the DC Animated Movieverse have been hit or miss, but him being in Titans makes sense since they're trying a little harder across the board to make the expanded media sync up somewhat.

~KL~

He usually boasts until an enemy makes him look stupid

That is awesome.

I'm starting to think I should've put up an iCheck for another Gotham RP before this one now LOL

~KL~

Here's a link to the titanpad if anyone wants t stop by. Myself and @rocketrobie2 usually bullshit while I'm typing up iChecks and stuff for RP's here...

titanpad.com/vUiDkX9MeU

~KL~

The Gotham iCheck of course was already written in that titanpad days ago LOL. Im around if anybody wants to stop by!

EDIT: Was making tweaks in the pad and it didn't load the convo between rocketrobie2 and Double until JUST now.

~KL~

@Burning Kitty okay and there are tons of comic characters who have killed. Again damian and Jason get the same hate as Guy does which seems ridiculous in my opinion. Again Damian and Jason were more unique in my opinion compared to the other robins

@The Kid Lantern I am going to have to point out that mini series have dropped a lot for non justice league characters, the market has shrunk and none of the other robins would be getting mini series if they were as recently created.

okay and there are tons of comic characters who have killed.

Yes but they weren't trained to be cold blooded murderers and they do not kill as a first result. Several times I have seen Damian suggest murder as the only action to take.

Again damian and Jason get the same hate as Guy does which seems ridiculous in my opinion.

I like Guy from what I have seen, which is not much. He is an ass but his heart is in a good place. Damian is a heartless murderer.

Again Damian and Jason were more unique in my opinion compared to the other robins

Unique doesn't mean good, it just means unique.

<Snipped quote by Weird Tales>Yes but they weren't trained to be cold blooded murderers and they do not kill as a first result. Several times I have seen Damian suggest murder as the only action to take.

<Snipped quote>I like Guy from what I have seen, which is not much. He is an ass but his heart is in a good place. Damian is a heartless murderer.

<Snipped quote>Unique doesn't mean good, it just means unique.

That's the whole character arc for Damian, he was trained only to kill and now that he has met Batman he is trying to become human.

The movies show this almost perfectly. In the first movie that he appeared in he wanted nothing to really do with Batman or anyone else, but when Justice League vs Teen Titans is finished Damian accepts being part of a team. It was shown many times that he preferred to work alone, but meeting the titans allowed him see that working with others was part of the process of being human.

This part of the movie perfectly hits home the fact that Damian is socially inexperienced with having fun with others his age. That is why he hangs out with Raven and hangs out at the back of the group, he just doesn't feel comfortable being around other people in a casual and fun setting like a carnival.


Finally Damian being a brat and making dumb mistakes is very realistic for a young child his age.

I really like Jaime with a mohawk.

~KL~

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Damian has some the best character devolopement in the Bat family because everyone else suffers from the typical comic book character arc that is losing a loved one and having PTSD incidents throughout their story. Damian on the other hands has none of those and focuses on his journey to be more human, which goes in line with him maturing along the way. Dick and Tim and even Jason were outsiders brought into Batman's world, but Damian was born in it.

Dick and Tim ad even Jason were outsiders brought into Batman's world, but Damian was born in it.

Damian was no more born into Batman's world than Dick was. Damian was born into the world of assassins. That is like comparing apples to cement.

<Snipped quote by Weird Tales>Damian was no more born into Batman's world than Dick was. Damian was born into the world of assassins. That is like comparing apples to cement.

Damian was born into Batman's world since Ra's Al Gul is arguably one of Batman's most greatest enemies and Damian was raised in the league of assassins. Dick had normal parents and lived a normal childhood until they died and Batman took him in as his sidekick. Damian never had a normal childhood, hell even Bruce had a normal childhood until his parents were killed.

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Also Dick still follows the generic comic book character origin of having his parents die and using that to become a hero. Not saying its bad, but it isn't unique.

@The Kid Lantern so do we post with our characters battling the Starro controlled citizens or do we wait for you to post as the starro spawns?

My problem with Damian is that he's such an "EDGY ANTI-HERO" that it's just unbelievable that Bruce keeps him around. The first time he had an edgelord on his payroll he kicked his ass after he went off the deep end. The second time, Jason, as a son Bruce hadn't seen since his death, was still treated like dirt after he started murdering criminals, yes, the New 52 had him rejoin the bat-family, which was so out of character for Bruce that it completely turned me off the New 52. Why in god's green Earth does Damien get a pass? Yes, he's Batman's son, but so was Jason. Bruce is completely uncompromising, the one time he broke his no-kill pledge was against Darkseid, who was just about to blow up the world, other than that, he has never killed, and again, he treated Jason like dirt after he killed someone.

Yet Damian just walks up and is like "Kill 'em" and Bruce gives the old fifties sitcom "Oh Damian!" (Laugh track)

@The Kid Lantern so do we post with our characters battling the Starro controlled citizens or do we wait for you to post as the starro spawns?

You can go ahead and battle them, just take note the differences. They start out small and attach to spines, then grow about three times in size and move over the face. They [the hosts] also gain the ability of added strength, speed, and the Starro vision blast.

~KL~

My problem with Damian is that he's such an "EDGY ANTI-HERO" that it's just unbelievable that Bruce keeps him around. The first time he had an edgelord on his payroll he kicked his ass after he went off the deep end. The second time, Jason, as a son Bruce hadn't seen since his death, was still treated like dirt after he started murdering criminals, yes, the New 52 had him rejoin the bat-family, which was so out of character for Bruce that it completely turned me off the New 52. Why in god's green Earth does Damien get a pass? Yes, he's Batman's son, but so was Jason. Bruce is completely uncompromising, the one time he broke his no-kill pledge was against Darkseid, who was just about to blow up the world, other than that, he has never killed, and again, he treated Jason like dirt after he killed someone.

Yet Damian just walks up and is like "Kill 'em" and Bruce gives the old fifties sitcom "Oh Damian!" (Laugh track)

that isn't canon to the movies and I don't even think it is canon to the comics anymore. Again Damian is very unique compared to the other Robins and doesn't follow the generic comic book cliche and most of the arguments against him have been countered.

I don't see the point in the Damian hate especially given how huge the comic book universes are and how much they can change.