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@ProPro Yes but that was (if Terry is now 21) four, maybe five years ago. People can change a great deal in that amount of time and think about what being slingshotted back and forth from the Earth's core to the surface just to be pulled under again would do to a man's psyche.
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@ProPro Yes but that was (if Terry is now 21) about three years ago. People can change a great deal in that amount of time and think about what being slingshotted back and forth from the Earth's core to the surface just to be pulled under again would do to a man's psyche.


+1. I was having a hard time remembering the guy's name. I loved his look with the Kirby dots. My personal favorite was the Repeller. A little Kirby influence in anything goes a long way with me LOL

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@Member 00492 Here's what I'm thinking. If gravity is the only force that applies to Peek, at the end of his episode what would happen is that he'd continue to fall through the earth, gaining velocity till he hit the center at which point his momentum would slingshot him to the surface of the opposite side of the world. He'd then sink back into the earth and the process would start again indefinitely.

Over the course of a significant period of time, say two or three years, Peek figures out how to control the vibra-space vibrations that Nabuo Taka's belt imposed on his body. He used this control when closest to the Earth's surface to drag himself up and out. He is able to control the intangibility but he is still trapped in the vibra-space state. He needs to exert a constant force of will to keep from sinking into the Earth again. Desperate both to be able to rest from his powers and to not be bright blue covered in Kirby dots he kidnaps a scientist to help with a cure and begins stealing various components needed to aid in concocting that cure. The Titans run into him during a robbery and as he blames Batman for his journey to the center of the Earth he vows to destroy Batman's hero team.
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I feel like I'm making him a cliche... but all else considered, Red Arrow would STILL empathize with and want to help him.
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@Demon Shinobi About the closest Katty would get is pity. She'd feel bad for his plight but be firmly of the opinion that he brought it on himself and that he does not deserves mercy simply because he's had a rough time.
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@Prince of SeraphsJonathan would probavly argue. It'll be fun to play.
Side note, I'll probably post in about a day or so
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I gotta get on making a post geez

I'll try to have something up this weekend.
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@Member 00492 Don't take this the wrong way because I am a huge fan of "Batman Beyond" and I don't want to ruin it for anyone but are we going to be dealing with any of the rather poor narrative and logistic choices made (particularly in the later seasons) of the show? Just to be clear about what I am referring to and because I'm a bit of a critic I'll outline what I'm talking about. The problems that I believe need to be dealt with are the ones that arise as a result of inconsistent writing or a failure to develop aspects of the Beyond universe. These as far as I am aware are centered around four categories: The Police, The City, The Suit, and The Batman.









That was an exceptionally long winded account of what basically boils down to a couple of questions. What is the standing of Gotham's police force, how effective and staffed are they and what is their stance on vigilante heroes in their city? What is Neo Gotham like on the ground level and descending into the seedy underbelly. What are the capabilities and limitations of the Batsuit as we are using them for this RP (never mind the crazy things it could do towards the end of Batman Beyond)? And (for lack of a better way to phrase it) has Terry become a more effective, unique and independent hero compared to how he was represented in the show?

I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass I just like things to be clear and organized. You are however the GM, if you rule that this stuff isn't important I'll shut up about it. Unless it becomes incredibly IC relevant.
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"Terry as the Batman."

In my (not so humble) opinion, yes. I like Terry more than I ever liked Bruce, in total honesty. I always found him to be deeper than Bruce, and having to deal with a lot more than Bruce ever did, while taking the mantle from a younger age. Some people describe him as "Spiderman if he were Batman in the future," which is an apt description, but doesn't convey the complexities of Terry.
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@ProPro I liked Terry, he was a very compelling character and at least in the beginning he was written very well. I just don't think he made a very effective or unique Batman. It always seemed to me that anyone with the suit, a modest amount of combat skills and the willingness to do everything Bruce told them to could just as easily have been Batman. Which disappointed me because the one thing that should never define Batman is generic.
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First of, let me go ahead and post what I use for reference for Gotham. It's from the comics about two decades back but for me it's easier to read than say... a map from an Arkham game.



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First I want to point out this RP was going to borrow bits from all of the distinct Batman Beyond universe interpretations [there are three]. Batman Beyond [the cartoon] tied directly into it's first comics series. Batman Beyond 2.0 continued developing Batman and took most of the history from the cartoon and first comic series but did alter a couple minor details. Then there's the current shitfest that is the wannabe Terminator future that was connected to the equally unsatisfying [for me anyway] Futures End series.

You notice the number 5 on the shirts of the officers in Batman Beyond? IDK what their reasoning for it was, but for me... it had to do with five larger boroughs or areas. So the 5th precinct is Gordon's group and located in the larger area around #16 on the map, simply called Gotham City [including areas 8, 9, 10, and 21, as well as the aforementioned 16]. The rest of that borough can be precinct 4. As far as the cops and what they're capable of.... its basically like going from big city to megacity overnight. A lot of their staff is under trained, some is still corrupt [possibly detectives and higher ups in other precincts?], and Gordon's is one of the only precincts that makes a difference. At this point in the game though, the common thug can get access to equal to or greater tech than what the GCPD5 has in their arsenal.

The city.... again it's just looking at it from a real world perspective. Say current Gotham is based on NYC. And now Neo Gotham is even bigger. The poorer areas are further out from the main area of the city, the rich live more in the center as well as the bigger corporate buildings. Industrial Park will be much larger as well as the dock areas. The people in the tops of those gigantic futuristic buildings? There's rich... and then there's WEALTHY. That's where those types are at.

The suit and Terry I'll get to later. Cooking dinner ATM...

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So I was reading through. A little late to the party. And I pretty much agree. Although, if I might add my own thoughts on Terry, mostly cause I like to talk, I would say that we really should blame the poor handling of the character as opposed to the character himself.

By this I mean, they needed to make him seem dumber than he was to attribute for him needing help and Bruce being needed or anybody else. Mostly, because Bruce went off and trained and learned various skills over a number of years. Terry didn't do that. At best he's a brawler. But I think part of what made that great was his unpredictability in combat at time. Hmmm I guess an example would be him versus the joker near the climax of the "return of the joker" movie.

It's also clear he gains more skill in the justice league (or was it unlimited?) episode "epilogue." His stealth, among other skills, seem to have grown much stronger with time as he manages to get to an aged Waller even without his suit (if I'm remembering right).

Of course these examples are generally only applicable when comparing him to animated series Batman since I'm sure if you go by comics you can find countless points to show Bruce being the same to an extent.
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Terry had to be dumber in the beginning to make Bruce relevant. In later episodes Terry trained in martial arts with one of Bruce's teachers, and if you'll remember the JL wanted Batman on their team because of his outsider looking in approach. Later on in Epilogue they wanted him for his detective skills.

In the comics... in Batman Beyond 2.0 that was still mostly based on the cartoon and the comic series spun out of it... Terry was in college and relying on Bruce a lot less. He was also a more integral part of the JL in JL Beyond 2.0.

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@Member 00492 Thank you, the Gotham info is most useful.

@Demon Shinobi I think the setup for Batman Beyond was very good. An inexperienced Batman with a great deal of raw talent but no training apprenticed to the elderly Batman who's got a massive amount of training but in his age his talent is severely faded. The problem was that as a result of meddling, attempting to make the show more kid friendly and sort of a lack of overall direction Terry almost completely stagnated. You set up a character that has much to learn but shows promise and you've got a great foundation. Unfortunately Terry never seemed to actually learn that much that he was missing. The first season was gold but the second season sort of started to fall apart. Basically as Member 00492 said Terry is inexperienced to give Bruce a purpose but in the second season because Bruce was dark and brooding and not very kid friendly his function was almost entirely taken over by Max. That function however in the long run should have become irrelevant as Terry grew into his own as Batman. The result was that you went from Terry learning the tricks of the trade from the extremely experienced and gifted Bruce Wayne to Terry being too stupid to grasp basic principles that his mildly gifted friend then had to do for him.

The show also in an effort to become more appealing to kids focused way too much on Terry's high school. The chronology of seasons 2 and 3 are all messed up because if they each represented a year he should have graduated awhile ago. They had lame episodes like "Terry's Friend Dates a Robot" and "Hidden Agenda". Some crime focused around the school makes sense particularly stories like Willie Watt, a suppressed nerd finds a dangerous way to lash out, or the Venom episodes which makes even more sense as high school athletes are a huge part of the steroid clientele. It just seemed like they were reaching further and further and further to make things tie back to Hamilton Hill High which seemed both improbable and kind of boring.

Don't get me wrong the later seasons had some excellent episodes such as the second appearance of Shriek which highlighted really well the growth of Terry as Batman and his relationship with Bruce but the problem was the growth wasn't shown in previous episodes and seemed to disappear in following ones until it was suddenly there again like in "The Call" which made Terry feel kind of inconsistent. It sort of reached a point where the show wasn't capable of both being what it was as a Batman story and appealing to the target audience with what the suits thought they would like. Not surprising it got axed. A real shame to, had amazing potential.

I'm sort of hoping that a Batman Beyond show makes it into the CW's network of DCTV (preferably with writers that aren't spread quite as thin since Flash, Supergirl and Legends are suffering from the lack of specific focus) but given their odd instance on avoiding anything directly referencing Batman I rather doubt it'll actually happen.
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@Prince of Seraphsits sad how much they could do with Batman beyond. And Arkham style game would be pretty cool to me. Long as they fixed some of problems from Arkham Knight.

Yeah I know that's a long shot, but it'd be so cool if they put as much work into the story and characters as they did for Arkham City. That's honestly my pick for best of the Series. I know most would agree but it's always important to note the opinion aspect of this lol

And I see what your saying. Like Terry could in on moment pick apart a villain or a case with what he'd learned but then still fall pray to making the most basic of rookie mistakes with no real reason behind it.
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Batman Beyond was cancelled so the producers could focus on the Justice League cartoons of the time. A live action movie and show have been in development but always gets put on the backburner. CW could never do a Batman centric show because Fox owns tv rights to Batman.

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@Member 00492 So I did some superficial research on the organization of the New York City Police department to get a better idea of how Gotham's police function. Aside from getting the impression that it is majorly complicated I came away with a couple things that I wanted to clarify. With the NYPD the city is divided into 8 boroughs which further divide into 77 precincts. Gordon is in charge of the department that regulates a single borough, so her jurisdiction exists only in about an 8th of the city? That's more or less right I believe, correct me if I've made a mistake. What I wanted to ask about is her title. Near as I can tell the Police Commissioner is a civilian organizer appointed on behalf of the city's mayor to govern the policies of the entire police department. That doesn't exactly fit with what you described as Gordon's role so are we changing the meaning of that title or...?

Some other questions after looking at the map.

Where exactly is the Titan's bunker located?

Do we have some form of transportation, flying Titans car, motor cycles etc cause none of us have really mobile powers and I can't imagine taking public transit to stop of crime to be very effective.

What's in the Batman museum?
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I know that DC has always said Gotham is something like NYC, but I've never really thought it was supposed to be as big. This particular map of the DCU states Gotham only has less than half the population of Washington DC in the modern day, which is just over a quarter million people. I've split the city into just five boroughs to make things less confusing. The one towards the center with the section numbers 11, 16, and 21 is the one where Gordon's 5th Precinct is located [I did that because they all had 5's on their chests]. Earlier I already mentioned which portion was hers.

As far as her duties, history, etc... The Commissioner has always been more like a super active police chief. There's nothing civilian about him because he's always been there. If there's any way a cop can still be a cop and the Commish, that would explain both Gordon and his daughter in this particular instance.

As far as location? The GCPD 5th Precinct will be located in Midtown [#9 on the map] pretty much exactly where the 9 is placed. Number 11 on the map will serve as Old Gotham [I think that's what it was called in Beyond], and I think it may also be where Crime Alley was located. That's near the arcade we're based under and will be #11 on the map. Everything in our neighborhood is rundown almost, maybe a couple super shit apartment buildings a few people are living in, a couple of old business locations some homeless folks are squatting.

Did Shriek mess part of that neighborhood up? I vaguely remember him being contracted to do it on one episode...

We'll discuss transportation when we're a little more ready for the field. Right now... walking is exercise when we're not training on Wed. and Fri. If we need to grocery shop or wanna go into town for anything... we're on foot. Or using public transportation like a subway.

As far as the museum listed on the map? No idea really. Old merchandise from as far back as 2000 from the many movies, documentaries, Broadway shows, newspaper articles, etc. based on what the public knew of Batman at the time sounds good to me though. Think of Batman in his earlier career days as being something like Sasquatch: tons of sightings, movies good and bad with false info, documentaries of varying degrees, etc. So it'd be like a Sasquatch museum LOL

As far as Batman's mementos in our HQ we've got: 10's flying card, Spellbinder's weaponized eye, his brother's Robin suit under glass, Mr. Freeze' ice cannon, and stuff Terry used in the episode where he didn't have his suit which included a Nightwing mask, old school Batman utility belt, as well as an old school grappling hook gun.

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@Member 00492 I believe they called it the Historical District, it included the theater and alley were Thomas and Martha Wayne were murdered. Shriek was contracted to kill/incapacitate Bruce Wayne as part of Derek Powers bid to buy the Historical District so it could be bulldozed for apartment complexes. Shriek made his first attempt against Wayne in that district and knocked down one of the buildings in the process.

What's the scale of the map? Even being smaller than New York it seems it's a fair ways from the Titan Bunker at #11 to either of the waterfronts which puts us in rather significant danger of not making it to the hostage situation in time if we're taking public transit. Not to mention how weird it would look to the public to see a fresh hero team on the subway, or how easy that would make it to track up back to our base of operations.

I feel like I've been doing way too much talking recently. How's everyone else doing? @rocketrobie2@Skwint@ProPro@Demon Shinobi anything interesting going on?
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@Prince of Seraphs well irl I've been going to summer school which (luckily) has turned out to be pretty alright.

In RP news I'm gonna have Zack reveal his seceret Kryptonian/Amazonian heritage and go toe to toe with Darksday (an amalgam of Doomsday and Darksied).

I've been waiting to do this from day one and I'm so excited.

im lying about that last part by the way. Just in case.
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