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Vegeta didn't escape from Hell. He was released and given his body back to deal with the threat of Majin Buu. Not even Frieza escaped from Hell. The only reason he came back was because the Dragon Balls. Hell is kind of... completely inescapable, otherwise every villain ever would have gotten out.
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Vegeta didn't escape from Hell. He was released and given his body back to deal with the threat of Majin Buu. Not even Frieza escaped from Hell. The only reason he came back was because the Dragon Balls. Hell is kind of... completely inescapable, otherwise every villain ever would have gotten out.


Unless you live in GT hell which is kinda cardboard.
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Unless you live in GT hell which is kinda cardboard.


GT is not canon. Well, okay it is canon... kind of. It's in its own little alternate timeline. That was the explanation for it (and the Movies) offered by Xenoverse 2 and that's what I'm sticking with, personally.

As far as the actual mainline Dragon Ball universe... death follows an odd set of rules, not helped by them being retconned later in the series run on top of that.

In the beginning of the series, no one was supposed to be allowed to keep their bodies when they died. That's why all the dead people you see were characterized by the little cloud things. They're just souls with no bodies. Goku kept his body because of Kami. When Goku died, his body faded out of existence, and Piccolo confirmed that as Kami's doing. Even when Goku was wished back after his training with King Kai, he still needed to meet with Kami at the check in station in order to be transported back into the world of the living.

Fast forward to the Buu Saga, when Vegeta was about to blow himself up in a last-ditch effort to kill Buu. He asked Piccolo if he would see Kakarot in the other world, and Piccolo says it's not likely. He tells Vegeta that only those who were good and died selflessly are allowed to keep their bodies in the other world, and all the evil and horrible things Vegeta had done throughout his life up to that point probably meant he would just be another faceless soul and sent to hell to boot.

So there ya have it. Death was a lot harder to come back from in the early parts of the series even with the Dragon Balls. But once Kami was written out and fused into Piccolo, they couldn't use him as the explanation for fighters keeping their bodies or being able to return to the world from the check in station. So the rules were retconned into the way Piccolo explained them in the Buu Saga.

No matter which set of rules we follow (Personally I prefer the earlier rules that require us to make use of Kami, if just to give the old guy something to do) there's a pretty slim chance that a murderous Android who hates all of humanity is going to be keeping his body in the Other World.
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@Double also worth noting that the Earth Dragon Balls can only bring someone back to life once. Which was why Yamcha dying to the Saibaman was such a big deal because he had already died once and couldn't be resurrected a second time.

Actually, that might have been the whole reason they went to Namek in the first place? Since their Dragon Balls were stronger and could be used to resurrect people multiple times? I don't know, it's been a while.
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GT is not canon. Well, okay it is canon... kind of. It's in its own little alternate timeline. That was the explanation for it (and the Movies) offered by Xenoverse 2 and that's what I'm sticking with, personally.

As far as the actual mainline Dragon Ball universe... death follows an odd set of rules, not helped by them being retconned later in the series run on top of that.

In the beginning of the series, no one was supposed to be allowed to keep their bodies when they died. That's why all the dead people you see were characterized by the little cloud things. They're just souls with no bodies. Goku kept his body because of Kami. When Goku died, his body faded out of existence, and Piccolo confirmed that as Kami's doing. Even when Goku was wished back after his training with King Kai, he still needed to meet with Kami at the check in station in order to be transported back into the world of the living.

Fast forward to the Buu Saga, when Vegeta was about to blow himself up in a last-ditch effort to kill Buu. He asked Piccolo if he would see Kakarot in the other world, and Piccolo says it's not likely. He tells Vegeta that only those who were good and died selflessly are allowed to keep their bodies in the other world, and all the evil and horrible things Vegeta had done throughout his life up to that point probably meant he would just be another faceless soul and sent to hell to boot.

So there ya have it. Death was a lot harder to come back from in the early parts of the series even with the Dragon Balls. But once Kami was written out and fused into Piccolo, they couldn't use him as the explanation for fighters keeping their bodies or being able to return to the world from the check in station. So the rules were retconned into the way Piccolo explained them in the Buu Saga.

No matter which set of rules we follow (Personally I prefer the earlier rules that require us to make use of Kami, if just to give the old guy something to do) there's a pretty slim chance that a murderous Android who hates all of humanity is going to be keeping his body in the Other World.


Plus he doesn't like birds.
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@Double also worth noting that the Earth Dragon Balls can only bring someone back to life once. Which was why Yamcha dying to the Saibaman was such a big deal because he had already died once and couldn't be resurrected a second time.

Actually, that might have been the whole reason they went to Namek in the first place? Since their Dragon Balls were stronger and could be used to resurrect people multiple times? I don't know, it's been a while.


I think it was Ciaotzu that had already died once? I forget. But I do know that the reason they went to Namek was because Piccolo (and by extension, Kami) died and thus the Earth Dragon Balls vanished.

It's not even that Shenron couldn't resurrect someone twice. I believe the exact words were that he couldn't grant the same wish twice. So for instance, he couldn't even give Oolong another pair of underwear because he granted that wish once already. Weird limitation but then again Shenron's rules about wishes tended to get a little weirder as time went on. And that's not even mentioning GT where there was suddenly a set of Black Star Dragon Balls with no explanation for the their origin and the actual evil Shenrons that came about later because granting wishes apparently corrupts the Balls? Moral of the story is GT was stupid. <_<
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@Double it depends on what timeline the Gm wants this to be Gt or Super, as the rules of hell weirdly change tbh
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@TheForgottenArc Eh, I'm just not very keen on the idea that someone can just escape from Hell. Especially this early when everyone is at their absolute weakest. Otherwise what's the point of even killing people like Frieza and Cell if someone as piss-weak as us can just escape and continue their rampage?
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Also I like to say Josh is a meh guy with a pretty evil voice in his head...
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@Double True but that was just me joking around. Probably everyone is gonna be revived like they were on namek if I had to guess, either way, I plan to have Josh sorta neutral sticking with maybe the shape shifter abit depending on how it all plays out, and play a big role during the android saga. Speaking of, in the android saga who will take trunk's place to warn the z-fighters of the androids?
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@geminironin I posted a couple days ago, by the way. I don't know if you were alerted properly or not...
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@supertinyking I mean, Can androids go to heaven? Cause I would absolutely love for Josh to learn kaio-ken (If he can, but I bet if an android like him tries it wouldn't be bueno) or he could get some good training before Namek.


I think we'll repair Josh if he gets destroyed
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I thought up an exciting addition to the battle with vegeta and Nappa
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I think we'll repair Josh if he gets destroyed


Can you repair him a new soul? Pretty sure Android's die the same way as everyone else.
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Can you repair him a new soul? Pretty sure Android's die the same way as everyone else.


That could be true, but that means we can't use the dragon balls bring him back.
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@Weird Tales any idea when you're going to get a post up? I'm waiting to see what happens with the surprise attack on Raditz before posting.
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@Weird Tales I'm also waiting to see what Raditz does about Josh, since he's protecting mugen by(maybe) taking hits for her.
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@Weird Tales and if Josh is destroyed, I'm sure someone (whoever captured him) has his memories/ and or a copy of his design stored somewhere.

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My plans are for some hits on your characters and then the sneak attack happens
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Who ARE we waiting on to post next, not wanting to sound impatient. Just want to know!
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