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This does not convey "genuine and calm", this conveys "I have the moral high ground and you should know better" with a mix of "reeeeeeee".

It is not your tone that is the issue here, it your complete inability to be mature and let go. @DegenerateThreebasically said "I get your point and we should just drop this because I'm redoing my stuff so this point is no longer relevant" and you decided to give someone a lecture. If you want to think of it that way, you "won" and you still felt the need to press on like a child. I'm assuming you can read previous posts so you could clearly tell that this topic was on the way out and that there was already something boiling so something prevented you from being able to read a room.

While I can accept your apology, I am going to very politely ask you to leave.


Look you asked me to cool down, which I did. I came back after I did so. Then took responsibility immediately after.
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@Kallethfire me a PM with your ideas
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@TheRedWatcher Okay, I understand. I just hope everyone has learned something from this spat and walk away from it wiser. Let us move on.

In other news, everyone expect a (shitty) hand drawn map of the land sometime tonight since I have a coherent idea of what it should look like.
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@TheRedWatcher Okay, I understand. I just hope everyone has learned something from this spat and walk away from it wiser. Let us move on.

In other news, everyone expect a (shitty) hand drawn map of the land sometime tonight since I have a coherent idea of what it should look like.


If you'd like I can take your hand drawn sketch and make it zesty. I love making maps:



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Alright, big news, there is now a map! Told you it's be of questionable quality
There's no easy way around it, but this might require some of you to change or alter your domains as well as adding where exactly your domain is on the map. I'll try to come up with a map that properly details the boundries of each domain.
Quick Guide: White = Natural Terrain, Blue = Body of Water, Green = Region

Regions aren't the same as Archduchies. There can be multiple Great House and Archduchies in one region but only one can hold the title of ownership of the entire region. The house who controls the whole region is given the title of "High Lord of X" (IE: High Lords of the Arbormark), the only place this is different is in Westmarch whose rulers have the title of "Wardens of the West".







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@ClocktowerEchosI guess I’ll take the Stormlands then since they’re the closest to what I already wrote up?
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@Pagemaster Alrighty, following in the style of this RP, as you are one of the oldest and first players, I pronounce House Muller-Hohenstein, Archdukes of Steinland, as High Lords of the Stormlands! May the Twin Heavens guide your rule.
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@ClocktowerEchosI suppose the Echo would be somewhere sitting between a remote location between the Frostmarc and Frostmarc, more Mistland though, than say Frostmarc though. As it fits the idea. Maybe.
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@ClocktowerEchosmuch obliged to you.
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I'll be opting to place my Great House principally in the Crownmark, with scattered holdings throughout the realm, though no "Real" regional title. If that's acceptable, anyway. It'll make sense when I show you my sheets. Still working on them currently.
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@ClocktowerEchos I'm imagining the realm of Drevilna-under-Vyapult being located principally in, and would seek to render House Vyapult the High Lords of, the Frostmark, as it kind of describes the rivers bordering the land very nicely indeed. Though, if I may, I would like to request a greater number of trees in at least the Southern portion of it, since to date a decent amount of the realm's infrastructure is designed around this idea.
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@ClocktowerEchos I'm imagining the realm of Drevilna-under-Vyapult being located principally in the Frostmark, as it kind of describes the rivers bordering the land very nicely indeed. Though, if I may, I would like to request a greater number of trees in at least the Southern portion of it, since to date a decent amount of the realm's infrastructure is designed around this idea.


On the contrary! House Zielennemer would happily broker a deal to have lumber shipped up to Drevilna-under-Vyapult at a premium rate! All you need to do is put those famous silver mines of yours, or rather the mountains under which they lie, down as collateral for your account. I'm sure that the Vyapults will be more than able to manage our highly reasonable interest rates, especially considering the harsh series of winters you've had!
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On the contrary! House Zielennemer would happily broker a deal to have lumber shipped up to Drevilna-under-Vyapult at a premium rate! All you need to do is put those famous silver mines of yours, or rather the mountains under which they lie, down as collateral for your account. I'm sure that the Vyapults will be more than able to manage our highly reasonable interest rates, especially considering the harsh series of winters you've had!


It's a bold offer, but it's not House Vyapult's land to give away. House Echo are the people to talk to for that; I'd be happy to send an emissary down to them to convey your offer, but I suspect they are more than happy with the current ongoing deal between our Houses.
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It's a bold offer, but it's not House Vyapult's land to give away. House Echo are the people to talk to for that; I'd be happy to send an emissary down to them to convey your offer, but I suspect they are more than happy with the current ongoing deal between our Houses.


Just the same, I'm certain you have something worthwhile which could be exchanged for lumber of the utmost quality shipped speedily your way.
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Just the same, I'm certain you have something worthwhile which could be exchanged for lumber of the utmost quality shipped speedily your way.


Merta "If you want to talk about silver you talk to us," "And we will say the same thing we always say to those seeking the silver. The silver comes when the silver comes. You must be patient with the Mountain Father's steps. Patients gifts those more than those who rush."
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@Kalleth Actually, on a more serious note, you've put the Nevezeniya Bank in Silver City. Did you intend this to be the Silver City that the people of the Frozen Tears take residence in, or a different city with a similar name? Because by my understanding of TheRedWatcher's sheet, said city is a highly-distant location, and one with a distinctly different culture to much of the rest of the kingdom.
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Not trying to be a buzz kill here, but I personally have an issue with any sort of noble house being a decentralized banking monstrosity. I think the whole point of this was not to be Game of Thrones.
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I love the map, I was thinking that the duchy of Inge would be somewhere in the Mistlands based off of what I previously had.
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@Kalleth Unfortunately, I am going to have to shoot down your banking house idea. Moneylending in the way of proper banking is the trade of the merchants, not the nobility. However, one possible work around is that you aren't bankers but just a very rich Great House who lends money to other Houses. You could control the only passage, road, route or bridge along a very important stretch of road and use its toils to fund your efforts like House Frey and the Twins. Either way, I much prefer if you kept to a single area because I can already foresee that its going to be a massive headache for everyone involved to remember what lands and where House Zielennemer are if they're all over the place with no proper holding.

You could even say that you're an "illegitimate" Great House like House Marietta since you effectively bought your way into Great House status, lending gold to the other houses and eventually the King and when the King couldn't pay back the loan, you graciously offered a way to cut or even erase the debt and all it would take is a the king's signature and a royal decree. I am going to ask you to change your titles though since there's a draft of the ranks above or on the previous page, I'll make a proper thing soon.

@BCTheEntity There are already some boreal forests in the Frostmark and parts of the Mistlands. While I'm not going to add a new forest, maybe its something your House actually did. They decided to plant trees and saplings in the Frostmark but to everyone mockery and laughter because "who farms a tree?" Ultimately though, you got the last laugh as through this massive effort you now have a private forest for your House's use only and unlike so many other forests, you can say that you have exclusive use of it because you were the ones who planted them so long ago. Basically a long term investment that continues to pay dividends and maybe even a house specialty, having the best knowledge of woodcutting, tree farming and dendrology in the realm with you now laughing at the fools who try to copy you but fail.
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