@King Kindred Well, i think we were gonna go with the idea that currently, Kerchak is the one with Authority, but passes it to Tarzan when he dies, being that Kerchak is currently the leader.

Also, me and @Eviledd1984 were actually talking about going to Sleeping Beauty next. Although we were going with the idea i used in my last campaign:

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Pretty much, after Maleficent gained her powers over the Heartless all those centuries ago, the first world she took her wrath out on was her own, sealing Flora, Fauna and Merryweather away. Forcing her world into an unending cycle of her victory. Every 16 years, Aurora is born, every 16 years she pricks her finger, every 16 years, she falls asleep and when Philip dies fighting the Dragon, Aurora's fate is sealed forever. Only for the whole mess to start again. (She's kinda vindictive that way)

Luckily for her, 3 more fairies made their way in to the world to help Aurora. But even they are still powerless to help Aurora overcome the Curse. Philip will need assistance in his fight to recover his lost love: Perhaps 2 dark warriors and their sidekick may be all it takes to tip the balance?

I also wanted to establish that "Maleficent's Dragon Form is actually weaker than her Fairy form. That's just how powerful she is." Either that, or the Maleficent that we fight is like "Phantom Maleifcent" But pretty much make it clear that this version we beat is a much weaker than final boss version. Also, Aurora with Dressphere magic would is a fun concept.

I like to avoid "Retell the movie, but the gang were there." stories. Or at least, if we have to, do what Birth By Sleep did with Cinderella in that it took key parts of the film and used them as character building moments for the heroes when they temporarily take a role in it.

Yeah, I agree with Kerchak having Authority and passing it onto Tarzan when he dies.

I'm cool with y'all going to Sleeping Beauty next and breaking the curse Maleficent has over it. It's perfect and goes with my idea that the Light didn't choose Aurora in this timeline due to Maleficent having dominion over her world. And it makes sense for her Dragon form to be weaker. It's more of an intimidating factor, but tends to fail at doing that against heroes.

And same. I want our characters to really impact the stories. I already have plans for Alias' presence to drastically change Anakin's path in Attack of the Clones and whoever goes to Revenge of the Sith in Kingdom Hearts 2 or 365/2.

@mattmanganon @King Kindred

Now that I think about it, should we have Maleficent as a recurring villain?

@Eviledd1984 Way i see it, at the end of Sleeping Beauty world, i can see Maleficent in Dragon form looking at the party and going "So, the 2 dark warriors, more than easy to destroy... Plus you 3 pathetic fairies? Still very much easily destoyed... Plus Philip with that magic sword... Again, very easy win... Plus the now released Flora, Fauna and Merryweather. Still an easy win for me... Plus Aurora with that Floral Fallal form...? Hmmm... Kinda makes the fight a little too even for my liking... Fine, i'm going to go finish my plans for the Heartless and just come back and restore the rightful balance of my victory later."

@mattmanganon @King Kindred

Now that I think about it, should we have Maleficent as a recurring villain?

She will be up until the House of Villains Arc.

@mattmanganon @King Kindred

Now that I think about it, should we have Maleficent as a recurring villain?

I thought she already was tbh.

@mattmanganon@King Kindred

Okay gotcha.

For the sake of not keeping things dragging along, do we want to plan on cutting ahead to Guard Armor in the 3rd District? Or do we want to let the Heartless attack play out a bit longer?

@Bacon just in case I'm not clear on it, Levi is already in the 3rd District? If so I can have my upcoming post include Hoshi swooping in for their reunion moment.

For the sake of not keeping things dragging along, do we want to plan on cutting ahead to Guard Armor in the 3rd District? Or do we want to let the Heartless attack play out a bit longer?

@Bacon just in case I'm not clear on it, Levi is already in the 3rd District? If so I can have my upcoming post include Hoshi swooping in for their reunion moment.

Correct. And go for it, I left him in a bit of a situation on purpose.

I think we need to decide on a solid list of who the Princesses of Heart are for KH1.

The reason I don't really want us to just, increase the number of Royal Authorities, is because ultimately each Royal Authority is supposed to be bound to a Princess of Heart. Each Princess of Heart is meant to be tied to one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

If we just say instead 'now there's thirteen Royal Authorities', then now we just kinda randomly have 6 extra of them for... no particular reason other than because we think there are characters who would fit the bill of hosts for it. The Royal Authority is not really a power that grants abilities or anything. It is itself, a power that can be granted to a Princess of Light, allowing them to aid in the opening of Kingdom Hearts. The full method is:

"Seven Princesses of Light, Purged of Sin, and Granted Royal Authority, Will Empower a Grand Magus to Shatter the Seals, and Open the Path to Kingdom Hearts"

So each Princess of Light needs to defeat the sin they are linked to (So, Kida needs to defeat Greed), and then be empowered by Royal Authority. At which point, all seven can come together, channeling their power into a powerful mage, like Merlin or Yen Sid, and then they can break the seven seals.

Royal Authority is, at its most basic level, the ability to give permission for Kingdom Hearts to be opened. Royal Authority, when hosted in a ruler, grants them the right to give a Princess of Light their 'blessing' for Kingdom Hearts to be opened. If a single ruler does not think it should be opened, and therefor refuses to grant that blessing to a Princess of Light, then simply put, there is no way of getting around it. That ruler must be convinced otherwise, or they must be defeated, and their Royal Authority claimed by another who is willing to grant the blessing.

Something to keep in mind is that, Royal Authority isn't really meant to be a major plot point until KH2. As of right now, Young Xehanort is just spreading evil, being a bad guy, trying to spread darkness and all that. He isn't really at the point where he has that 'big plan'. That's on Old Xehanort, who will make his first appearance come the Organization storyline.

So it's not really meant to be central to the plot right now. There will be moments where something happens with it, but it's much, much too soon to be worrying about who has Royal Authority. So if Maleficent is trying to find it in Tarzan's world, and Kerchak has it, then it will most likely leave the world entirely come the end of KH1. It may stick around for a while in Tarzan, but...

If you think of Kingdom Hearts like a semi-sentient will of the universe, then it would not want one of the Royal Authorities to remain in a place that not only have agents of darkness already come looking for it, but have already killed its host once. That means they know it's there, and Tarzan, and everything he loves, would become a target.

The original idea was that every wielder of Royal Authority would have a direct relation to a Princess of Heart, or at least, for example, as direct as Mulan and the Emperor are. The only exceptions would be whatever is going on with Uther, and then Mickey... for literally no reason other than it just wouldn't make any sense if Mickey Frickin' Mouse didn't have Royal Authority as King.

However there are explanations for both of those cases. With Mickey's explanation being, Royal Authority would remain hosted inside a King of great power, with a heart of pure light, like Mickey, who already does so much to keep the worlds safe from darkness. So despite him not having any direct relation to a Princess of Heart, he has been, effectively, PERMANENTLY entrusted with Royal Authority.

Probably because there needs to be one instance of someone wielding Royal Authority, who doesn't have personal ties to the Princess of Light they bestow their blessing on. As a father is more likely to say yes to a daughter, for example. Mickey must make the decision of granting his Royal Authority to a Princess of Heart, completely without bias.

@Sadu

I don't think the Royal Authorities have to be the same amount as the Princesses of Light, especially since we already have exceptions for Kings with no connection to the Princesses of Light. I think the criteria being honorable leaders of light who have the ability to influence others works well.

I agree that the Royal Authority is the ability to/give permission to open Kingdom Hearts. That's the perfect set up for why Xehanort needs 13 Members in the Organization. Gives a legitimate reason for the number.

Just change the other half of the Royal Authority to the Seven Guardians of Light. Seven Guardians who protect the Princesses of Light. So Beast is Belle's Guardian. Fairy Godmother is Cinderella/Lucian's but Lucian may also be his own because of the keyblade. Everything else still works with the Villains representing Sin. The Guardians can even represent the 7 Virtues.

1. Prince Lucian
2. Alice
3. Anastasia
4. Princess Kida
5. Belle
6. Princess Jasmine
7. Terk (?)

The seventh is really up to y'all. I was just suggesting something to add to the plot of Tarzan's world. But I only care about Anastasia.

Is alice going to remain a Princess of Light after everything that is going to happen in Wonderland?

Also we can say that each Princess must be granted the blessing from a ruler with Royal Authority. But the remaining six rulers must all unanimously grant their blessing to the magus themself.

Save for Lucian, couldn't we just keep the Princesses the same as in the game? Or do we want to base them loosely off of what worlds we go to?

Is alice going to remain a Princess of Light after everything that is going to happen in Wonderland?

Also we can say that each Princess must be granted the blessing from a ruler with Royal Authority. But the remaining six rulers must all unanimously grant their blessing to the magus themself.

I think after each Princess was found by the forces of darkness they'd decide to pass on the light as in canon to make sure it can't be found so easily again.

The only issue I see is the Villain plan for Kingdom Hearts 1. With them being aware of Royal Authority and what it is and does they'd know that just gathering the 7 Princesses wouldn't be enough to get them to Kingdom Hearts. Let's say having approval of every one with Authority is the final key to the Door to Darkness. They'd know they wouldn't be able to access it. So what would be the point if they weren't also kidnapping the Royals?

What about this? Instead of Royal Authority being granted to open Kingdom Hearts it's instead what grants someone, for example a Magus, the ability to control Kingdom Hearts. The Princesses are the key. The Royal Authority is the Master Control and it makes sense with it being Royal Authority. So Xehanort believes with his current body and abilities all he needs is the 7 Hearts of Light and he's all set and doesn't need the remaining 12.

Save for Lucian, couldn't we just keep the Princesses the same as in the game? Or do we want to base them loosely off of what worlds we go to?

Yeah, like in-canon Kairi remained a Princess of Heart so I can see Lucian remaining a Prince as well. The remaining Princesses can be from the worlds we decide to enter in Kingdom Hearts 3 since that's when they explain the Light passed onto a new generation.

@King Kindred I don't like the idea of Terk being a princess. Then again, i've always been a fan of the idea that "Princess Heart" is just a special heart that appears at least once in every world. It's just some are much easier to find than others and there would be little clues here and there. So, Princess & The Frog world, Tiana would have a Princess Heart, but this wouldn't become obvious until after she married Naveen.

Ultimately, they only need 7, but bad guys are going after the Princess' that they know of already. Aurora would also be a Princess, but Maleficent prefers to leave her in this perpetual state for her own amusement and may drag her out if push comes to shove, but right now she can have her cake and eat it, so no need to upset that.

That being said, if we are going with "Only 7" My recommendations are:

*Star Butterfly (Would like to go to Star Vs world at some point)
*Megura (In the original mythology, her father was the King of Thebes, and if the endgame takes place on her world, it makes sense)
*Mira Nova (Ties in with Launchpad and Leon's Star Command backstory)
*Rapunzel (Recently rewatched the Tangled series, it's pretty good, i recommend it.)
*Dotty (She would be descended from Cadpig, who, in the original 101 Dalmatians book sequel "The Starlight Barking" was the Prime Minister of all dogs, close enough to royal blood.)
*Cadpig (For the above stated reason)
*Princess Shayla (Tying into Zen-Aku's backstory of him trying to find her, despite having no idea who she is.)
*Dolly Dalmatian (Her major love interest in the series is Prince Corgi, Plenty of other Princess' only got there via marriage.)
*Princess Garnet (Being that i've tied Karre's backstory into FFIX, it would be an interesting dynamic)
*Webbigail Vanderquack (Either version, although thanks to that stupid fucking twist at the end of the remake, i suppose remake Webby makes more sense.)
*Fox Xanatos (Her Mother is Queen of the Fae)
*Kim Possible (If Bonnie hadn't have cheated, she would have become "Homecoming Queen" And that's close enough for the powers that be.)
*Princess Eilonwy (No specific reason, i just like her as a character)
*Kiara (Again, no specific reason, i just like her)
*Mirabel Madrigal (The reason The Miracle can't grant her power is she already has too much. Speaking of, i kinda like the idea that The Miracle itself is a disembodied Royal Authority, which is how it grants powers. The Authority inhabits the candle, but the being the Royal Authority comes from now inhabits Casita. I'd let you decide on who it used to be, but it's an idea.)
*Fa Mulan (Another "No specific reason, i just like her" But she is actually an official member of the Disney Princess range... Also i may have a mildly unhealthy infatuation with Ming Na Wen)
*Princess Leia (Yet another "No reason, i just like her" Although i still say that Star Wars and Marvel should play a role more like Final Fantasy within Kingdom Hearts, in the sense of "These characters don't have a specific world, but they are used to fill in logical roles in other worlds" like how Zack was from Hercules World and Setzer and Vivi are from Traverse Town.)

I had a funny thought of Taivas being a princess of heart.

@mattmanganon

I'm fine with Terk not being a Princess of Heart. That was just a hail mary pass to you and Evil.

But some of your suggestions don't fit the criteria for a Princess of Heart, like Meg and Fox for example. The reason why the Princesses are so rare in the series is because they're meant to be people devoid of any darkness in their hearts, not specifically those who are royals or hold royal titles.

So Tiana could and would actually be a Princess of Heart before she married Naveen. Dotty being a Princess of Heart would genuinely make sense with her character, especially her ability to change the world with her joyful songs.

And how would that work for Star Wars? I mean, them fitting into the logic of other worlds. I know you mentioned the Mandalorian being sent to track down Stitch, but that series is for the most part its own thing. The main Star Wars story is too big to force into the framework of other worlds/movies, especially if you want to explore both stories when your characters visit. The closest I can think of is Treasure Planet but that still doesn't make sense.

I kind of see Star Wars as a Radiant Garden situation. Prequels the world will be the Galactic Republic, Sequels the world will be Galactic Empire with it being corrupted by darkness and then returned to the Galactic Republic again.

@King Kindred generally, the way I used Star Wars characters was that the characters are mostly just "Those who also travel the space between" No grand explanation, they were just there, because they fit a narrative need. Again, like the Final Fantasy characters. One of the ones I did was a bunch of the Bounty Hunters like Bossk, IG-88 and Greedo as well as Rocket and Groot showing up to Snow White world when Grimhilde put the hit out on Snow White.

Jedi were "Another order of Heartless Slayers that Maleficent killed off decades ago by tricking one of their order into killing the rest" Vader was an implied force rather than ever actively appearing. (Primarily because one of the characters in the campaign was essentially playing the Roxas to Anakins Sora.)

Also, yes, I agree with the Princess Hearts needing to be pure, but that doesn't mean they can't grow dull. There was a whole plot point where one of the Nobodies managed to capture Queen Brahne's heart after she was killed (It was corrupted, but still monstrously powerful and afterwards the gang had to let it go because it wasn't any good for the Kingdom Hearts project)

One of the other ones I did for Atlantis was that The Heart of Atlantis is essentially an imperfect Kingdom Hearts. A load of Princess Hearts cobbled together, but with a few darker ones also spoiling the mix. Again, more powerful than you could possibly imagine, but nothing compared to the real one. There was also a whole thing about Star Butterflys Heart being an "Almost Princess Heart" like, she was so close, but it could still go either way. They have to be earned, not born with.

Pretty much, "Not every Princess has a Princess Heart, but all Princess Hearts belong to someone who is a princess in some way" like, one of the princess' was Marie from Aristocats. Mostly because O'Malley and her brothers kept jokingly calling her "Princess"

<Snipped quote by Sadu>

The only issue I see is the Villain plan for Kingdom Hearts 1. With them being aware of Royal Authority and what it is and does-

Nah, the plan is they specifically DON'T know what it is or what it does.

Maleficent, at most, knows it exists, therefor she pretty much assumes it is of great importance, and so she's out to get it. She doesn't know what it's for, how many there are, or even what it does. She just knows if there's an essence of power out there that seeds itself in great rulers of worlds, she wants it for herself.

Young Xehanort is absolutely clueless about it, not even knowing where to start.

Old Xehanort, coming later, is aware that it is a part of the key to unlock Kingdom Hearts, but he does not have the full information on the how and why. He doesn't know how many there are, or how to use them. This is why he hasn't made his move yet. The information he requires was entrusted to Eraqus, not him.

The knowledge of Royal Authority is entrusted to only a very select few, namely Merlin, Yen Sid, and Eraqus, potentially Ansem the Wise, and Mickey as well. This is why Xehanort will later on require an advisor knowledgeable in the specifics of Royal Authority to guide him.

Currently, they know about the Princesses of Heart. Maleficent however doesn't even know if Royal Authority and Princesses of Heart are connected in any way.

That was excrutiating. Took a couple of rewrites and nearly accidentally deleted the entire post at one point, but i did it. My other options for songs would be Belle Notte or Kiss the Girl.