thewizardguy said
Yep. Or at least, that's the Jewish interpretation of the fact that there are two tales of Genesis. In fact, according to some, Lilith was created BEFORE Adam was, and the reason Eve was created from Adam's rib is to cause her to be docile and listen to Adam, as opposed to the feminist Lilith. Lilith is also rumored to be the mother of all demons, making her almost as bad as Satan himself.

Gummi Bunnies said
Kaika can't really "die" anyways. Since she got her "Spiritual Pact," Kaika was tied to one fate, one expected ending. She isn't sure when she'll die, but fate had chosen a specific time and way for Kaika to die. So, basically, you can't kill Kaika before her fate or have her survive after her fate.

Mtntopview said
I see ... Kind of like Megatronus Prime

Gummi Bunnies said
Well, that's her fate, but I (or fate) don't plan for her to die there.

thewizardguy said
That sounds like either the most badass or the most stupid thing ever.

Megatronus (the Fallen) [+]

Thirteen [+]

Prima - The leader of the Thirteen, a warrior of light who wielded the Star Saber.


Vector Prime - The master of time and space, which he could manipulate through his Blades of Time.


Alpha Trion - Holder of the Quill, which he uses to record the past, present, and future of Cybertron in the Covenant of Primus in his role as recordskeeper of the Primes.


Solus Prime - The master artificer and creator of many of the Primes' weapons through use of her incredible Forge. She was the first female Cybertronian.


Micronus Prime - The conscience of the Thirteen, and the first Mini-Con, able to link up with and enhance the power of his siblings through the use of his Chimera Stone.


Alchemist Prime - Student of the elemental structure of the natural world, aided in this by his Lenses, which allowed him to see further and deeper than anyone, in both material and spiritual senses. Co-founder of Cybertronian civilization with Alpha Trion.


Nexus Prime - The first and greatest combiner, granted the ability to divide himself into separate forms by his Enigma of Combination. Unpredictable, fascinated by change, and a lighthearted prankster.


Onyx Prime - The first beast-form Cybertronian, a primitive and spiritual being able to view other times, places, souls and even the afterlife through his three-faced Triptych Mask.


Amalgamous Prime - The joker of the Thirteen and the first Shifter, unpredictable and easygoing. He was first Cybertronian with the ability of transformation, granted him by his Transformation Cog, which became the basis for the cogs in all subsequent Trasnformer life.


Quintus Prime - A daydreamer and perfectionist whose drive to express his ideas led him to become a scientist. His artifact was the Emberstone, which gave him the ability to create life; the Quintessons were among his creations.


Liege Maximo - The manipulator. Though his artifact was notionally the toxin-loaded Legian Darts, his real skill was his ability to talk others into his way of thinking—a black art that ultimately caused the downfall of the Thirteen.


Megatronus - The warrior of darkness, Prima's opposite number, whose role as the necessary counterbalance set him apart from his fellow Primes. His artifact was the Requiem Blaster, created for him by Solus; this act began a doomed romance between the two that led to his turning on his brothers and becoming known as The Fallen.


Optimus Prime - The mediator of the Primes, who united the Thirteen by being the first among them to raise an arm in greeting. He would subsequently be reincarnated as Orion Pax.

Mtntopview said
Well, the story goes:Long ago, Primus and Unicron fought in a great battle. Eventually Primus tricked Unicron to trap themselves into planets. Eventually, however, Unicron learned to morph his planet body, and control it. So, in retaliation to Unicron being able to transform, Primus created 13 beings that could Transform. These were the 13 Original Primes. However, one Prime, called Megatronus, betrayed his brothers in the battle with Unicron. He became known as The Fallen. The 12 remaining Primes defeated Unicron and The Fallen, and trapped them inside a black hole for "all eternity" (not). Megatron was a gladiator in the Pits of Kaon, and he took the name Megatronus. He was sort of a freedom fighter, using the name of a Prime (which nobody rememberd that Megatronus was The Fallen for some reason) to rally fellow gladiators to his cause. He wanted equality for the Transformers, however when the Council refused to grant him the Rank of Prime, he became a Rebel, founding the Decepticons. Eventually, he shortened the name of Megatronus to Megatron.That's a really shortened story on the History of the Transformers.Oh, and Orion Pax is a reincarnation of one of the Original ThirteenOh, and the place where Primus created all the Cybertronians is called "The well of All Sparks"

thewizardguy said
So, by UTTER COINCIDENCE, Optimus and Megatron are named after the two most important Primes back in the day? XD

Weiss Schnee said
Elsa is around if anyone wants to interact.Also anyway to save Weiss?

Mtntopview said
Actually, as i said, Optimus is the reincarnation of himself, and Megatron was a sort of copycat Megatronus. However, Optimus wasn't THE most important prime, I would say Prima and Megatronus were.But yeah, they kinda are. Which is why I hate Micheal Bay. OPTIMUS IS NOT A MURDERER!

Weiss Schnee said
Elsa is around if anyone wants to interact.Also anyway to save Weiss?

thewizardguy said
Also, why are there female cybertronians. They don't have genitalia, as such, so what's the real difference? Did Primus just kind of feel like imitating humans? That's kind of random, don't you think?And the person that holds the team together is always the most important. Without Optimus, they all would have fallen. Each of them was expendable, but wthout Optimus they would have been nothing.And you'd think people would stop following Megatron when they discovered his idol is the most hated person in all of Cybertron history. It's like calling yourself Hitler Jr. and expecting people to like you.

thewizardguy said
Also, why are there Male cybertronians. They don't have genitalia, as such, so what's the real difference? Did Primus just kind of feel like imitating humans? That's kind of random, don't you think?And the person that holds the team together is always the most important. Without Optimus, they all would have fallen. Each of them was expendable, but wthout Optimus they would have been nothing.And you'd think people would stop following Megatron when they discovered his idol is the most hated person in all of Cybertron history. It's like calling yourself Hitler Jr. and expecting people to like you.

Necrosis said
Fixed!

Necrosis said
Fixed!

Mtntopview said
Yeah, kinda setting yourself up as a villain their, Megs.I think he added them for the fuck of it. Primus is a little bit weird.