[OOC] Times Have Changed, Camp Doesn't

[ManoftheNorth]

Yeah, I am still here hun. I just haven't posted yet again. I was not only trying to give others the chance to post, but I have also been trying to think of what to do for my characters in the near-future.

[Lady Seraphina]

Camp Half-Blood Wiki said

Magical Metals (also called Blessed Metals) are metals that can be used by Greek and Roman Demigods andimmortals to fight against monsters and other evil creatures, as well as gods and other demigods. The Greek Gods and demigods use Celestial Bronze, while the Roman Gods and their children use Imperial Gold. Hades, those who live in the Underworld, and some of his children (like Nico di Angelo) use Stygian Iron. Demigods use weapons made of these metals, because these metals are the only materials by which a monster can be harmed.

Celestial Bronze:
Celestial BronzeCelestial Bronze is mined from Mount Olympus, then forged by the Cyclopes, tempered in the heart of Mount Etna, and cooled in the River Lethe. The metal does not harm mortals, considering them not important enough to injure, but is strong enough to cut through a steel door. It is also been mentioned that this metal glows when in weapon form. It can also be melted down to make other weapons, such as bullets, as seen in The Titan's Curse.

Imperial Gold:
Imperial GoldIvlivsIt is unknown where Imperial gold is mined from, but it is be consecrated it in the Temple of Jupiter on Capitoline Hill in Rome, as stated by Midas in The Lost Hero, and forged at the Temple of Jupiter at Camp Jupiter. The metal is extremely rare, but very powerful. It is also quite volatile. It is also thought that because of the blessing of Jupiter these weapons are more effective againstVenti. This metal is favored by Roman Demigods. Whether the Roman aspect of the Gods carry weapons made of Imperial Gold or Celestial Bronze is unknown.

Stygian Iron:
Stygian ironA metal rarer than both Celestial Bronze or Imperial Gold. It's forged in the Underworld and cooled in the River Styx. It is possible that only people or beings of the Underworld can wield this metal (Hades, his children, and other beings that live in or are associated with the Underworld). Where weapons made from the other Blessed Metals cause monsters to disintegrate, Stygian Iron absorbs their essence, causing them to either not being able to reform ever again or take a longer time to reform. Like Backbiter, it can also harm mortals. Like Celestial Bronze, it also gives off a faint light.

Silver:
Although silver is not regarded as a magical metal, it is the only known weapon able to harm lycanthropes.  It is also unknown whether Stygian Iron can also hurt them

Okay this is about the silver weapon again. I looked into it and while silver does have certain properties such as being able to kill a werewolf were celestial bronze cannot it is not actually capable of killing a greek monster. The hunters of Artimas use silver to wound monsters during the hunt so they may capture them and remove trophies before killing them with celestial bronze knives. Silver weapons while capable of harming greek creatures can't actually kill them.

[ManoftheNorth]

Indeed, yet that information is pulled strictly from the Camp Half-blood Wiki, when in turn this Rp also derives some of it beholding and knowledge directly from Mythology. In true Mythology Silver is capable of dispatching Werewolves, and a wide assortment of undead. This has been said throughout the ages in all manner of ways. In true mythology, you don't truly need a specific type of blade to kill a Greek/Roman beast. In the case of Hercules, who dispatched many a beast with merely his hands, or Perseus who dispatched many mythological beings with a Greek Short blade and many a tale of spears throughout his years. A mere man dispatched King Minus son(the Minotaur in the Labyrinth) with nothing more then a standard sword from the armory.

This RP is not strictly Camp Half-Blood in the details, it also derives quite a bit of it's details and fabric of being from true mythology.

[Lady Seraphina]

While in true mythology silver has many powers nothing is ever said of it in greek mythology.

In greek mythology it is true that people defeat monsters with common weapons however majority of common weapons were forged from bronze and copper which if mined from mount Olympus wound make them celestial bronze weapons. Hercules was able to kill beast with his bare hands because he was immortal having drunk the breast milk of Hera.

When civilization moved on the sacred metals were left behind but in the times greece they would have been considered common and it would have been unnessesary to mention what the weapon was made with.

[ManoftheNorth]

No, no. My dear friend, Hercules killed many a beast with his bare hands before he became immortal. As a Demigod he was forced through the ten trials of Hercules, each featuring a mythical beast to kill, and the Greek armies did not have access to mine copper from Olympus willy-nilly as such you claim.

In true mythology the requirement of a specific weapon is not as Camp Half-blood makes it, in true mythology the Copper of Olympus was used to imbue weapons with godly power. Examples are Perseus' Sword during his slaying of the Kraken, or the Brother's Three Spears. The Celestial Copper was simply a material to imbue weapons with power, not to make them capable of slaying greek beasts.

In every form of the tale(except th Camp Half-blood one) Medusa is decapitated by a normal blade. Never is there a version in true mythology is there a variant in which they require a special one.

What I am saying, to be blunt and quick, is that this Rp is based off Camp Half-Blood, but it's details, lore, and specifics of Greek Mythology come from, for the majority of everything, true Mythology.

[Lady Seraphina]

Using that logic it would be perfectly fine to use the mythology to add to the world but blatently disregarding the source material brcause you want a silver sword isn't taking from the true mythology. The books were born of the mythology as well, Riordan did a lot of research into a subject that isn't always clear on a lot if points but I do know that there is never a mention of silver having any sort of magical properties. That is common legend but it is not part of greek myth.

If you want a silver weapon that much then say it was mined from the fields of punishment and cooled in one of thd damned rivers or the metal was melted down fro hunters weapons left behind or something but don't go ignoring the natural rules because you want a special sword

Athena tricked Hera into breastfeeding Hercules when he was an infant granting him immortality. There are a handful of variations on the subject but that is the favoured one.

Medusa was decapitated with a sword granted to Perseus by the gods, not a normal blade.

But putting all of that aside there is never any mention of silver having an effect on anything in greek mythos. Oh and the special thing about the maguc metals is there ability to dust greek monsters.

[ManoftheNorth]

It is not about what the creator of the series has done with it, it is literally the fact that myself, and Vicier, as Gm's have declared this, and that not all of what we will be doing is derived from the series in which Camp Half-Blood rests.

I have been doing this a very long time, and I can tell you all manner of things in mythology that are never commonly stated, but still hold true. Silver is referred to most often when fighting the reborn deceased under the control of Hades or another entity from Erebus.

The mere fact that you insult me, and tell me that I disregarding the creator of Camp Half-Blood's series, is appalling. I am doing as myself and Vicier have always done. It is Camp Half-Blood, but with a more sense of what is true mythology. If you have a problem with our use of true mythology, then I am sorry you feel that way, but this is how it has always been, and how it will always be, so please for the sake of our patience stop trying to argue a moot point.

The subject is not changing, the use of Silver against undead and spectral beings is not commonly known, but that makes it no less true and apparent in Mythology. End of that story.

[Lady Seraphina]

Shut up and go away cause you're in charge, I get it. It's not like it's the first time.

Just answer me this, if you're disregarding its purpose why include the godgiven metals? Why not throw them out too?

[ManoftheNorth]

Because the Godgiven metals are still present in true mythology. I stated that already. Celestial Bronze and other godly metals are used to create weapons imbued with special powers and similar attributes. Those being weapons like the Three Brother's Godly Spears, and etc.

We meshed the two forms of Celestial Bronze, the majority of it's properties from true mythology, but with the Camp Half-Blood aspect of being able to be disguised as well. We have meshed many of the concepts, but we derive most of the knowledge and mechanics of the Greek Myths from True mythology.

[Vicier]

Enough, please; it's a roleplay for gods sake. As far as everyone is concerned I am going to allow all manor of materials (within reason) to be used in making weapons. However, when it comes to fighting monsters it will be celestial bronze. I don't care what gets used for training, but this is how it's going to be okay? As long as the weapon has the bronze in the blade I will allow it on things such as quests. Please. Just stop. This is not a place for arguing, this roleplay is to have fun...

[Lady Seraphina]

Celestial bronze and Imperial gold don't exist in as you say true mythology and I'm going to shut up now cause the GM is yelling at us.

[Vicier]

T^T I'm not yelling guys... I just want to roleplay with you guys and have fun rather than have to break up bickering or arguments...

[Skai]

I'm here! I'll work on a post this evening.

[Vicier]

Guys come on... Can we please get some posts going..? Others are waiting for replies...

[Skai]

[ManoftheNorth]

I am here.. just fighting some stress, I should have a post by tomorrow morning. ^^

[HellHoundWoof]

Im here Nikolai is just waiting on sometging to happen.

[Skai]

Hello?

[Vicier]

Boys! Come on, please start posting...

[Skai]